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GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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We still don't know who knocked on Elliot's door at the end of last season either do we? The opening scene this episode had me hopeful but nope.

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GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Alf. loving Alf!!

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Tyrell isn't dead. I'm also sincerely glad that Gideon got a better sendoff than being shot in the throat. Getting run over by Alf in a BMW is the most rad way to die.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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BetterToRuleInHell posted:

I wonder what that actor's reaction was to, after playing this character in such a fashion for a entire season, and to have his death initially portrayed in such a fashion, reading that he would be back in scene where he's in a 80s sitcom and was run over by Alf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIcExu5EL4I

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Even though it seemed like they injected the guy with *substance* it looked like they just broke the needle off under his fingernail, which would be backed up by the sound department.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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I think it was definitely a non-hacking crime he turned himself in for, probably the dog or drugs. I feel like if he admitted to any sort of hacking, the FBI would be all over him for his connections to Evilcorp & Allsafe. I'm also guessing it was the police that were knocking at his door at the end of last season after he turned himself in or sent an anonymous tip.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Highblood posted:

I'm not sure that it was the cops, that seems too easy. Also it seems to me that Elliot willingly put himself through this and might have turned himself in. That's my guess anyways. The way Darlene spoke to him, his whole routine, etc all made it sound like he got there on purpose as a way to get rid of Mr Robot and to stop him from "controlling" him and hacking stuff without him remembering.

That's what I said? Send an anonymous tip to the cops with the address, wait at home by his computer to get picked up.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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I was kinda feeling that way until this episode. To go with the chess metaphor, everything up till this point has been open moves. Now that Elliot is in play, the rest of the season gets to the mid & end game, which is always way more exciting.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Jerusalem posted:

Hey I'm sure this was real obvious to everyone else but I'm always a little slow on the uptake - when the angry dudes grab Elliot into the "alley" and start hitting him, there are these rapid cuts between Elliot and Mr. Robot being present. I assume that this was to demonstrate that Mr. Robot was "taking" the punches so Elliot wouldn't have to, like he tried to protect him with the sitcom fantasy when he was in the infirmary after the beating he took over the Blackmarket site?

I caught it too and agree. It was a nice little touch, a show of Elliot's trust in the audience that he's OK with us knowing when its him or Mr. Robot too perhaps?

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Accretionist posted:

Angela's misstep during the meeting, was that an angle or panic? She could be feeling the pressure from the FBI. Maybe her whole agenda is leaking their cover ups.

I don't think it was a misstep, honestly. She's been shown to be pretty cold and calculated and I think she wouldn't have asked to get into that meeting if she didn't intend to push the limits of Price's....affinity toward her.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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That's a good drunk point :) She's definitely got some poo poo going on, but I still don't think she'd be going as far as she is without some sort of A game here. It could be that her A game was to get access to the file server and she blew it, but I'm hoping for something extra.

Re: yelling, I think the important thing is that we never saw Tyrell die. He was pushing back over and over until he heard Elliot say "I don't want to live in denial anymore, I just want to move past this" and then relented. He told Elliot exactly what he needed to in order to get Elliot back on his side. Tyrell definitely isn't dead and there's something big coming up. It wasn't a "who gives a poo poo", more like a "shut up, you aren't supposed to see this until later"

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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BrianWilly posted:

I don't know why anyone might think that Angela has any of her poo poo together at all unless we think that her constantly being in over her head and barely hanging onto her self-esteem by the thinnest of threads is intended to be a red herring somehow. Which is certainly possible, with this show, but it still hinges on us thinking "Okay, this show is clearly telling us one thing...now let's consider the opposite, because this show likes to curveball us like that."

I guess my thinking is that she flat out denied the CEO of one of the most powerful companies in the world some birthday sex, that takes a lot of balls. I could be wrong but Elliot told us to trust her as 'one of the good ones' and she has a lifelong hatred of Evilcorp so I'm hoping there's something more.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Narcissus1916 posted:

Further in the season. I have no goddamn clue what is going on, and not in a good way.

Was the CD malware way back in season one used by Elliot to hack E Corp in last year's finale?

What? No. The CD malware was for the Dark Army to spy on Allsafe & Elliot, Elliot had nothing to do with the CD.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Tyrell is definitely alive.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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I'm hoping next week is at least extended a bit. It feels like there's so much to wrap up and I'm worried that 45 minutes is going to either leave too much hanging or rush through too much. I trust the showrunners but I was hoping for at least something resolved this episode.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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I've thought Tyrell's been alive this whole time and I'd be extremely disappointed if he is just another personality in Elliot's head. He's already got Mr. Robot and the audience. Mr. Robot's been lying to Elliot the entire time and covering things up, and if Tyrell was actually dead it would have been easier to just give Elliot the memories back of when Tyrell was actually killed.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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precision posted:

Darlene being killed off at this point in the show is probably the most unbelievable theory imaginable.

This. She's too important to the events of this season and to Elliot to die like that.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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God drat, that Joanna scene :stare: They said the driver was probably going to live, I wonder if he's gone as well or if he'll link up with Tyrell somehow. The way everything was put together was great too, from the song choice to the lighting & camera movement to the murder/suicide fakeout. Holy crap.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Tyrell was always a bit crazy but meeting up with Elliot/losing his wife gave him that extra little push he needed to go full nutzo.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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I'm glad I forgot this was the 'single shot' episode because about 20 minutes in I started thinking "man we haven't had a cut yet what is.....oh :aaa:"

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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What if all this is just happening in Elliot's snowglobe of an E Corp building?

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Harminoff posted:

Do people even use ringtones anymore?

Forever :colbert: (just without the talking)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc6jqO_o7Yk&t=8s

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Poor Trenton & Mobley :( Obv. they weren't gonna get a happy ending but that was a real lovely last day.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Yeah, it was a real good episode but a huge bummer. Angela is a broken husk of a person now, good lord :(

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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AceOfFlames posted:

I keep hearing this show is great but it sounds like the most depressing thing ever. How can anyone watch this given all that's going on in the world?

Check out the first season and see how you feel about it? There are definitely moments that make you feel lovely but that's kinda par for the course for most good TV series. Makin' ya feel things, you know?

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Can someone remind me, when did Mr. Robot first pull Tyrell into the scheme? It had to have been sometime after he offered Elliot the head of cybersecurity job but was there a definitive moment?

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Electronico6 posted:

Tyrell was just impressed by Elliot when he offered the job. Then he discovered that Elliot was behind getting Colby arrested with the dat file in Colby's server and believes it was for revenge, but he doesn't care just how disappointed he was by how banal Elliot, seemingly, turned out to be. Finally he has that meeting with Gideon where it is revealed that the E-Corp server that had been attacked still had the rootkit on and that Gideon was leaving it as a honeypot to catch Fsociety.

This is when Tyrell investigates and has his Revelation of what Elliot was trying to do. Cause this was already during his own mental breakdown after being turned down CTO, he begs Mr Robot to let him in on the conspiracy, which is denied to him. He continues to spiral down(His God speech to his wife), after being fired he gives up begging and straight up says that he will kill Elliot if he can't see the rest of the plan, after Elliot had his own Revelation about Mr Robot.

So Tyrell only really becomes part of the scheme when Elliot brings him to the arcade, on the night of the hack. Then promptly tries to kill Tyrell cause he was a nutcase. The gun jammed, the Dark Army shows up, and now they are working together.

Ah thank you! For some reason I thought that Mr. Robot/Tyrell SUV meeting was way earlier in S1 which is why I was confusing myself.

GobiasIndustries fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Nov 24, 2017

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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I just rewatched it and the sitcom ep from Season 2 holds up incredibly well.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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I don't think Price has lost the war yet, but much like every other character, he got hosed hard this episode. I can't imagine being a person of Price's stature and reacting any other way to how he was treated.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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The original hack didn't delete the data, it locked it up and threw away the key, basically. If Romero actually had keyloggers on all the computers in the meeting place, you could go back through the logs and find the password to unlock everything.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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I don't remember if the bank attack from s2 was exactly the same thing but yeah Elliot definitely said the key was set to auto-delete after finishing encrypting everything in s1.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Zaphod42 posted:

I thought that guy was another inmate, huh.

I mean if he wasn't then how did Elliot see him? Bringing in the pro-hacker guy to the prison seems like a dumb move if he's not a prisoner.

he only brought him into prison the one time (that we see), to get elliot access to the server.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Zaphod42 posted:

Okay I guess that makes sense, yeah. He'd need the other guy to show Elliot the server because he didn't fully understand the darknet himself. Still risky but whatever.

It's that or losing a major income stream and it's not like he can get Elliot out of the prison

Basically the timeline is:

Ray's wife sets up the server after they talk about it
Cash starts pouring in
*somewhere in here, former webadmin shows up to take care of website issues*
Wife dies, Ray doesn't know poo poo about the technical stuff but everything is running fine so :shrug:
Site needs a domain transfer, the webadmin doesn't know how to do a migration
Surprise! Ray's got a genius that he's got total control over right in front of him, but he's not a total monster so he buddies up with Elliot, former webadmin comes in, spills the beans to Elliot, that's all she wrote

GobiasIndustries fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Dec 5, 2017

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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uhh, is there evidence at all that Price is Angelas dad or?

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Krime posted:

So... Is Tyrell done in the story?

With Elliot and Mr. Robot finally coming to an understanding I highly doubt it. Tyrell is CTO of ECorp (in name if nothing else) so I can't imagine him not being around, and undoubtedly would want to gently caress over Whiterose and Price.

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GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

It also made Elliot's real dad's death retroactively heartbreaking. Though it raises the question of what, exactly his dad asked Elliot to forgive him for.

I can see a dad who experienced his kid having a psychotic break and jumping out a window and then the kid not forgiving him for 'pushing him' going full in on 'please forgive me' because that seems like a horrible hopeless situation and I have no idea what I'd do as a parent in that situation.
e: especially a parent with cancer who knows he doesn't have much time left.

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