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I'm glad you posted about that because I definitely picked up on the framing during conversations. There's one scene in I think the wh1ter0se episode where both sides of a conversation are on the right edge of the screen, and another early on where (I think) Angela and Elliot are talking on the street and they're face to face but the framing shows them facing different directions in wide shots. I think it's meant to be deliberately disorienting. Deliberate axis-breaking is the kind of thing Kubrick was into, so I'm wondering how much hidden meaning is behind all the rest of the shows in this show. It's funny to see arguments about twists here. The show itself knows that the audience has guessed the twist, and directly comments on it more than once. From what I read, Sam Esmail's take on it is that he wears his influences on his sleeve, and asks "What if the reveal in Fight Club comes in the first act? Then what?" This season is the first act of that story, and the rest of the show is going to answer that question.
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Skizzzer posted:I'm with you on the twists thing. The show's not about the twists. The show's about Elliot. We could see that something was off about Mr. Robot (and so could Elliot, really) but we were more aware of it because hey, we're not schizophrenic and we're not always high. I think someone said in this thread that the "audience" or us is a character in the show. I agree with that too. Elliot created us, just like how he created Mr. Robot. Why? Because he's lonely. That's why I always disagreed with the Dexter comparison. Dexter has an inner monologue. Elliot has an inner dialogue.
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Nov 9, 2015 22:42
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That reveal happened at the tail end of the 2nd to last episode, and the hacker/espionage/conspiracy stuff still happened in the finale. That's nowhere near enough time to qualify that "the show was much better" before the reveal.
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Weird, I didn't realize anthology shows were considered under miniseries. Especially since Fargo's 2nd season is a prequel to the first and not disconnected from it. Not that I don't think Fargo should be considered, but it's definitely a grey area of classification.
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Dec 14, 2015 23:34
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Delta Airlines now has the whole series completely uncensored on its flights. A friend of mine just binge-watched half of it on a cross-country flight and then watched the rest on the way back.
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Jordan7hm posted:Is it a fight club moment when he tells you from the get go that he's crazy? It's amazing how jarring that scene is. You see Darlene and Angela in the same room and you're thinking "Oh poo poo, they're gonna meet" and then they start chatting casually about Elliot and you're thinking "Wait, did they interact before in another episode?" and then the episode goes on like nothing is different. Then since it's also the episode where he meets Wh1ter0se you're too distracted by that plot piece to dwell on it until later when the reveal comes.
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EL BROMANCE posted:Yeah I genuinely believe the Fight Club esque twist is essentially there so you totally don't see the sister thing coming. The show played us for fools. The show expects you to guess that particular twist, which is why you get that scene with Elliot breaking the 4th wall by grabbing the camera and asking if YOU knew about this too - it had been speculated from early on and they knew it would be.
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NmareBfly posted:One thing that did annoy me about this episode was the corporate exec lady not realizing she's been hacked and blaming it on a malfunction with the smart home manufacturer. If it was just the alarm going off, that's one thing. All the poo poo together and the constantly-playing hacker news on the big screen? Uh. Interesting take. I actually watched that scene thinking for a minute or so that someone was in her house since the alarm being tripped was the first thing we saw. Since the next thing we saw was her going swimming and the lights going out, I figured she'd assume that too and wondered why she'd immediately take a shower. I'd probably jump to the conclusion of an intruder well before thinking my ridiculously expensive and probably heavily secured computer-house was malfunctioning.
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drat, how did Angela get so cutthroat so fast? I get that she's infiltrating to take them down from within, but she's such a shark at her job that I'm wondering if she's going to end up embracing Big Brother in the end.
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Jul 14, 2016 09:09
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I don't know if I was just conscious of it because I know Jst0rm posts here or what, but I'm really noticing the sound mix so far this season. I was impressed by the scenes taking place in bars and public places, where the people on camera really don't seem like they're the only ones having conversations. I can distinctly hear snippets of other people talking over them and have to strain slightly to hear what the actors are saying, just like you really would in a public place.
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muscles like this? posted:Even under the pants that was pretty graphic. We're talking about a show that barely concealed Tyrell loving a dude in the rear end and then talking about the mess afterward.
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MiddleOne posted:You say that but then I remember season 1 having some really 'eh' episodes before the final rush like the drug trip one. Reminds of Leftovers S1 vs S2 so far, S1 had some interesting ideas and a few cool episodes among a throng of dull. In contrast, S2 just knocked it out of the park for every single episode. So far we're definitely on that track and it owns.  " for me. Though I guess I didn't really feel S1 of Mr. Robot dragged as much as a lot of people; I was pretty consistently engaged the whole time.crowoutofcontext posted:Kinda feel like the show is going to make it look like it is Elliot/Mr.Robot who is behind the track-covering murders but the "twist" will end up being the revelation that it was Tyrel who seems to have a vested interest in covering Elliot's conspicuous tracks. Tyrel knew that Gideon might have evidence against Elliot and he also could have easily figured out Rome owned the arcade where they hacked from. The reason the other members of F-society aren't dead is because Tyrel is (as of yet) unaware of their existence. Who knows maybe Ray is some convict keeping tabs on Eliot for an anonymous Tyrel, being payed through bitcoin websites or something. My only gripe is that it took an FBI agent following an accidental paper trail to discover that a HUGE logo on an arcade at Coney Island said "F SOCIETY" on it. If the hack made international news and affected global finance, I doubt nobody would've put that together instantly. Fsociety has been a known name even before the hack. There are people walking around there all the time and it's kind of thin logic to say nobody at least snapped a picture for social media as soon as fsociety started leaking videos to the public. It might have worked for me more if she'd had to look around the building a bit for the logo, or if it wasn't in such plain sight. On the other hand, if you consider they're being obvious on purpose, it's less of a bother to me. Mr. Robot might not even have a plan, he's just an anarchist and doesn't care if people get caught (considering all the show's Fight Club homages).
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Jul 22, 2016 22:06
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I know everyone loves the attention to detail this show has. I spotted one in this episode. When Elliot was on his computer in the opening flashback where Darlene came to his apartment on Halloween, you could see Utorrent open on his screen for a brief moment. The version number in the title bar was 3.2.1, which was released in early October 2012. So unless he was still using an older version and ignored updates for a long time, we have a specific date for when Elliot first let Mr. Robot take over: October 31, 2012. Do we know how long Elliot had been working at Allsafe?
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Jul 29, 2016 22:14
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Ah. Well, cool that they had him using the pre-ad version anyway. Though I wonder how long it would take them to get that whole team together, form fsociety, get in with darkarmy contacts, buy the arcade, get Elliot to such a high security level at Allsafe, etc. since that night.
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Jul 29, 2016 22:24
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This season got me to start listening to Joey Bada$$. Dude's seriously talented. Cool that this is his first acting gig too.
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Jul 30, 2016 21:39
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I've always felt like the halfway house theory holds more weight than the institution theory. People visiting him ask him why he chose to be there. He can come and go, he just doesn't want to because sticking to a routine has kept him stable until now.
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Aug 8, 2016 09:26
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I'm still baffled that USA will bleep every "gently caress" but words like "cocksucker" and "cunty" are just fine. TV Standards & Practices are weird as poo poo.Atomic Robo-Kid posted:The cart looked like Double Dragon.
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Aug 12, 2016 21:45
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The last time we saw Leon he was talking about the series finale of Seinfeld. Did he fulfill his purpose? Does he no longer exist because he finished the show? 
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Aug 13, 2016 09:08
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I don't think Tyrell is the central question of S2 at all. I think it's "What the hell happens when Mr. Robot takes over?" and they're gradually meting out the answers to that throughout the season. We've seen bits and pieces of that in flashbacks through each episode so far, we've seen Elliot conflict with his other half in a struggle to prevent him from having his way again, and now Elliot's in a life-threatening situation where it would be to his advantage to let Mr. Robot take over.
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Aug 14, 2016 07:27
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I like the dual-reveal format of one being surprising and the other being less surprising/misdirection. It fits really well with the themes of the show. It was easy to tell Elliot wasn't staying where he said he was (though we didn't know specifically it was prison, or that it was him deliberately keeping it from us instead of denial), but the reveal of Leon being DarkArmy was great. Still can't believe this is Joey Badass's first acting job, he's really good. I had a half-realization when Ray called the basement "the hole" though. They just threw him in solitary for a while.
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Antti posted:Wait wait, I hadn't even stopped to think about this. She's trans and she's being held in a men's prison because, well, America. That's hosed up. waitwhatno posted:I really like that they are showing the real consequences of crashing the world economy this season. S1 portrayed the hack as something noble that would set the world free, while this season they are showing how it mostly hosed over normal people and didn't achieve jackshit otherwise. Everyone seems to still have their loans, but now they are also unemployment and homelessness in addition to that. That's how revolutions generally work out, stuff gets much worse for a long time before it starts getting better. Next season Elliot changes his name to Zero Cool and hACkS tHe PLaNeT~!
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precision posted:Didn't she play the deaf girl Jerry dates in Seinfeld? She looks exactly the same. Marlee Matlin is an actual deaf actress.
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Either Mobley flipped on Trenton, or he got killed by Dark Army on the way to meet her. Though all the feds have is hearsay, so if it's the former I don't see her getting busted unless she has a record. That scene between Darlene and Cisco on the train has so much subtext to set up the ending, and I still didn't see it coming. The Dark Army attack on him, her feeling fine about killing, him suddenly asking her to stay over when she'd usually be alone, it all pointed to that last shot. Though I still can't look at Cisco and not see Turtle from Entourage if he lost weight.
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uncertainty posted:I didn't think of that option before and I like it, though in that case I wonder why he wouldn't have given more explicit information about the meeting location, there is no way for the FBI to know the location they first met. She was also there for two hours and he had set a meeting time at noon, so if they didn't swarm her by then they're probably not going to.
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I've had Danse Macabre in my head since watching this episode. It's this version according to a show music website.
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The Sean posted:I can't think of anymore supporting evidence right now. Again, I'm probably wrong but this show is a poo poo ton of lies. There's plenty of stuff to poke holes in this line of thinking, surely, but I still find it fun to think about. I actually really like this despite its flaws. Mobley and Trenton expressed "We thought we were going to meet Elliot" at the first meeting, coupled with her launching into his first episode voiceover. If you stick with the Fight Club logic of "sometimes I'm him, sometimes I'm watching him" it does have some legs to it, though I do think the one thing that knocks it down is Elliot and Darlene accomplishing different things in different places at the same time. If the whole prison experience wasn't real or happened in a completely different time frame (or was real but a fantasy genderswap I guess?), it feels like cheating in a way that this kind of reveal doesn't. Interesting idea though, and if it did end up being true I'd imagine there'd be explanations for that kind of thing.
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Elite posted:Also with White Rose we already have a character acting as their own sister. I think with a show like this, wildly theorizing to figure it all out is part of the experience, but I'd rather watch it being open to others' interpretations instead of saying "nah that's ridiculous". It's already been ridiculous and is just going to get more and more insane as it goes on. That's what makes it fun. And the fact that they've set up situations where these could all be possibilities due to unreliable storytelling leaves it open to the most batshit theories on purpose. We're already Elliot's head-friend. We're already involved from the start, the second he addresses us in the pilot.
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The show is real and we're watching a documentary, and its events occur in real time.
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Really cool to hear PiL's Order of Death during the cold open. "This is what you want, this is what you get." This show is on point with its music this season.mng posted:"Oh that's Hot Carla. If you're a pyro, she's your chick with a dick, know what I'm saying? Probably not."
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DaveKap posted:Yeah I wrote about this stuff a few weeks ago in here. The parallel of Mr-Robot-dad-imaginary/elliot's-in-jail means we still need a darlene-is-sister twist for this season that nobody sees coming. I don't really feel like "stage 2 was his idea" is enough of one though I could see next episode making it so if it explains it well enough. See I figured the twist we didn't see coming was Leon being Dark Army. Surprised the poo poo out of me, and it was in the same episode as the prison reveal, much like season 1's format.
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Rarity posted:Am I the only one who thought the source of the phone calls was the Wellick house? I'd love if the reveal was literally "the call is coming from inside the house".
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I always kind of figured the two of them would've had something much earlier if Elliot wasn't so hosed up and awkward.
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It'd be interesting if we were supposed to figure out some way of actually communicating with Elliot to tell him what we found, and they integrated that into the series somehow.
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Sep 14, 2016 10:51
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Someone please splice the scene of Mr. Robot figuring out the cipher with B-E-S-U-R-E-T-O-D-R-I-N-K-Y-O-U-R-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E.
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I'm gonna laugh when it turns out it's just a hacker conspiracy drama about crazy people and there's no sci-fi at all.
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A couple things about the lucid dream state: 1) There's a secondary voice that echoes Elliot's when he's reciting the mantra to get himself to lucid dream. Was that meant to be "us"? Or is the voice someone else - a third party persona that even scares off Mr. Robot? 2) Angela's surreal interview happens between the scenes of Elliot falling asleep and waking up, and we see shots of him laying on his pillow bookending that sequence. A lot of people mentioned how Lynchian it felt, but I haven't seen many specific Lynch references. A similar presentation happened in Mulholland Drive: Dreamlike scenes of characters set in different roles from real life, which happen in between POV shots of a pillow. Did that interview really happen? And if it did, were the characters we saw really the characters in the scene?
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Max posted:Ultimate troll would have been to have his twin brother go up first, then interrupt him halfway through the speech. Super glad he got the award though! Should've had Christian Slater accept the award on his behalf, while Rami Malek just stared at him confused.
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Kwyndig posted:So phase 2 was burn this motherfucker to the ground.... I didn't expect that. The whole destroying everyone's titles and deeds thing being just another "phase" of an overarching plan that goes "all the way" makes me think the arching plan for f.society is to take down the entire country. Season 1: Take out money. Season 2: Take out property. Season 3: Take out government? Media? Internets?
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Escobarbarian posted:Ignoring most of this thread but could anyone tell me quickly how much censored swearing is in this ep? Considering torrenting instead of waiting for Amazon to get off their asses, but can't handle all the censoring. Several bleeped fucks, one unbleeped oval office for some reason. 
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Max posted:I liked the Fight Club Reference fakeout at the end. You really think he's going to go back to that well, and I almost bought it for a second that Tyrell wasn't real and wasn't holding that gun. Did we get a confirmation in that post-credit scene that Trenton's name is "Tanya"? Mobley called her that but it could easily be an alias since they're in hiding, but it was still a private conversation. I do like the little wrinkle that the FBI doesn't really know about her.
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