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Elias_Maluco posted:And I too hope that "huge unreliable narrator twist" dont become the series gimmick For the first season I was like, "drat, why didnt I see this unreliable narrorator poo poo coming?" At this moment, I dont think "UN twist" is the right take on it. Rather than a twist I think it's a theme. I can't sympathize with Elliot not trusting me/we/us--he's been bullshitting me for too long and it's my trust in him that's lost. As we are shown in a flashback intro to an episode, Elliot fully intended to get a job in order to take down Evil Corp as a proverbial trojan horse; but when we are introduced to him in Season 1 we get the impression that he's just working a dopey day job. Basically, I think Elliot's coping mechanisms and tendancies towards secrecy extend to us as the viewer and he encrypts the actual story to hide it from those he doesn't quite trust. But, as evidenced in this thread, if you know where to look and find the clues he's being straight with you. To tell what's actually happening you have to decrypt what he's telling you. The Sean fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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Boogaleeboo posted:That wasn't Elliot. I get what you're saying but I think its the origin story for Mr Robot and Elliot was making a legit plan on the spot after being locked in a server room for days. I could be wrong, though; do we actually see Elliot's dad-as-Mr Robot show up in that scene? I'm pretty sure thats how he gets the ball rolling: using the movie they were watching as inspiration (such as using the mask and waging war on the upper class), wearing the Mr Robot jacket/costume, finding the arcade to base out of, naming fsociety based on that. The Sean fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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I have an Amazon subscription to the show so I have to wait until tomorrow to watch it, unfortunately. To scratch the itch, though, I restarted the series. It's been pretty fun to see things in a new light between knowing the twist of season one and also not trusting Elliot at all. Some fun things I'm contemplating on: I feel like Elliot is a superhero analog and I recently posted about my view of his "origin story" when Darlene showed up at his place on Halloween in a flashback and he donned the mask from the movie they watched as kids as well as his dad's Mr Robot jacket. In the first episode alone he takes down the coffee shop guy with the illegal porn ring and tries to protect his shrink against the guy lying to her about being single. He escalates this to taking out E Corp, proverbially castrating the prison guy's business in the first season, and doing a similar thing to the (presumably) warden in the second season. It's an ultimate superhero persona thing to have a secret identity and have that identity be hidden from the hero themselves. Like if Bruce Wayne didn't realize he was going around as Batman at night. Similar to Batman, as well, Elliot and Angela lost their parents when they were children to something not so different from murder. Not trusting Elliot anymore led me to think on Evil Corp a bit. I wondered if E Corp was just called E Corp and Elliot tells us the viewers that it's Evil Corp because of his subjective opinion. I should do a service to the thread by quoting it exactly, but when I restarted the first episode Elliot says something like "I just see 'Evil' when I see 'E Corp." Following the whole Elliot's lying to us all the time thing, I noticed that when Elliot is looking at his shrink's dating page and her lover's page all of the details are made up. His shrink apparently studied IT in college but is working as a psychiatrist. His shrink's profile describes her openly as a desperate woman. The dude she's dating (that he takes the dog from) has the opening lyrics from Sir Mix-A-Lot's big butts song. I mentioned a theory recently in this thread that Elliot encrypts the actual story to hide the real story from the viewers. I think that movies may be the common cypher given that the first season apes Fight Club pretty hard. I noticed in the first episode his dad wears some pretty Durden-esque sunglasses, later the credit debt wiping theme, in addition to the "where is my mind" track playing later in the season. I don't remember the glasses showing up in the second season. Someone in the thread recently brought up the similarities with the second season and Shawshank Redemption. I never watched the movie but from the poster's description as well as the Wikipedia page I can see a ton of correlations. I'd expect that the third season will focus on a different movie as it's clue to the audience when the story isn't exactly as it seems. On that note, as well, Mrs. Tyrell's badass bodyguard grabs Elliot in episode 1 and returns him to home in episode 2. Before he releases Elliot he says to call him "Mr. X" and refers to the film JFK as the reference. After her makes clear that he's joking the guy say "You can call me 'Mr. Sutherland' for now." The actor that played Mr. X was Donald Sutherland. One thing that really bothers me so far is that in any of Elliot's flashbacks to his childhood we never see his sister Darlene. Maybe I'm wrong but I only have seen his dad and his mom--including what seems to be family photos early in the first season. I don't want to make the call so far, but Elliot seems to interact with his sister in the first few episodes in situations separate from his hacking crew and I haven't seen his crew speak to her directly. About mid-way through episode 2 Darlene says some snappy poo poo about their operation and the bearded white guy responds "Boss, blah blah blah" assumedly at Elliot. At this point Darlene shouldn't be his boss, right? I'm not going to say she's fake right now but I'm questioning everything and Darlene keeps showing up out of nowhere. We obviously see Darlene chilling with Angela later in the season, I'll admit. Lastly, I don't even think right now that Elliot's dad pushed him out the window or was a dick to him. He seems super nice in all of the flashbacks but his mom always seems like a bitch. The Sean fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Does anyone have a link to the intro where Elliot puts the mask on for the first time? Couldn't find it on Youtube. I don't have a link but it is the first scene of episode 4 of this season. The Sean posted:One thing that really bothers me so far is that in any of Elliot's flashbacks to his childhood we never see his sister Darlene. Maybe I'm wrong but I only have seen his dad and his mom--including what seems to be family photos early in the first season. I don't want to make the call so far, but Elliot seems to interact with his sister in the first few episodes in situations separate from his hacking crew and I haven't seen his crew speak to her directly. About mid-way through episode 2 Darlene says some snappy poo poo about their operation and the bearded white guy responds "Boss, blah blah blah" assumedly at Elliot. At this point Darlene shouldn't be his boss, right? I'm not going to say she's fake right now but I'm questioning everything and Darlene keeps showing up out of nowhere. We obviously see Darlene chilling with Angela later in the season, I'll admit. Mr. Powers posted:I'm just quoting this because I just watched the episode and I'm reading through the thread and this paragraph made me laugh. I wonder if, when I finish reading the thread, The Sean will have completely recanted this statement or if he still hasn't watched the episode. Ha, I did get to watch the new episode late last night. Before I did, I actually starting wondering about another different dumb take on this during my work/school day. I'm kind of wondering if Darlene's actually real and Elliot is a coping mechanism/dissociative identity for her or she's some transgender version of Elliot. In the Mr. Robot origin scene Darlene shows up at Elliot's place and is all "I really need you right now" and is super-stressed but we don't know why. That's when he discloses being locked up for a few days (and going a bit crazy as a result). For the poster quoting me about laughing at the post I don't really care and I'm just bullshitting around. I kind of forgot about the TV IV forum until recently so I had fun reading people's theories about where Elliot is this season after they had the big reveal (and I liked that one poster was legit thinking Elliot was in jail when guessing that did not seem very likely). But after wondering about the theory I just posted I thought it was cool to see an episode with only Darlene. So, again, I'm probably wrong but I'm going to fart out some supporting points. Darlene never appears in Elliot's childhood flashbacks or anything. In the first episode Elliot seems to not want to go to Angela's birthday party because of some possible relationship they had in the past--possibly it was a lesbian relationship. See also Elliot's dealer, Shayla, in the first season sleeping with Elliot at one point and then later is making out with Angela. It might also explain why Shayla's dealer (the guy that gets sent to jail) did not seem to think Elliot was a threat in the romantic sense and was fine just chilling out in his tighty-whities. This could possibly be why Gideon in S1E2 tells Elliot "you know I'm (homosexual], right?" (there's a filter on the forums that edits the word g ay) and talks about how his partner feels he is embarrassed about his sexual orientation and should talk about it more; a safe "first try" could be another gay person. Also on this gender/sexuality note, White Rose would support this theme of the show as she is a man while working for the Chinese gov't but expresses herself as a woman while in the White Rose persona. Lastly on that topic, Tyrell is shown to be banging a dude at one point in S1 and gets angry and fires some employees when they're talking about people having gay relations in order to climb the corporate ladder. In last night's episode Darlene reads out the opening lines of the show that we originally hear from Elliot; to put it another way maybe Elliot is some hacker persona for her to get her revenge on society after getting locked in a server room. If Elliot is Darlene's coping mechanism (or something like that) it kinda makes sense that she gives Elliot a gun in season 1 "in case he needs it" or whatever--that is, maybe Darlene couldn't take it upon herself to shoot someone but would be more confident shooting someone as Elliot or Mr. Robot. I can't think of anymore supporting evidence right now. Again, I'm probably wrong but this show is a poo poo ton of lies. There's plenty of stuff to poke holes in this line of thinking, surely, but I still find it fun to think about. The Sean fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Update to my silly hypothesis... I kind of wonder if the whole dissociative personality stuff is like a Russian nesting doll. Like Darlene's real, but Elliot's her alt personality but Mr. Robot's Elliot's alt personality that she doesn't know about. Darlene tries to live a normal life through Elliot but Mr. Robot subverts that poo poo to make sure E Corp/the upper class gets hosed over. For instance, the scene at Gideon's dinner party in Episode 3 Angela: "I loved running away with you. Somehow when you're 8 running away can be fun." Elliot (Narrating): "The normal life. Smiles. Dinner parties. Childhood stories. I could get used to this; maybe even like it." Elliot immediately gets a text that takes him off track. He heads to a TV, turns it on, and there is at that very moment a news report about the class action suit against E Corp. He and Angela are visibly upset at this. Elliot (Narrating): "My perfect maze... crumbling before my eyes. There's nothing to hide behind. I don't think it existed--but there it was... is. Mr. Robot finally found my bug." The scene switches to Elliot and his mom at a bus stop, shortly after his dad dies. His mom basically states say "why cry over your dad dying?" and Elliot doesn't understand. A bus obscures the shot and then we see Elliot as an adult at the same bus stop Elliot (Narrating): "The bug forces the software to adapt... evolving into something new because of it. Work around it or work through it--no matter what it changes. Becomes something new. The next version. The inevitable upgrade." In other words, possibly each new nested dissociative personality is a "new version" of the original character's personality and Mr Robot's aim is finding bugs to make sure that Elliot constantly tries to take down E Corp and doesn't ever get distracted. Later in the episode, when Elliot's having his morphine withdrawal trip Mr Robot makes an announcement including: Mr Robot with the Mask on: "Citizens of the world we are here to help. If you have any interest in waking from your slumber and retrieving lost, damaged, or stolen memory: we are here for you, we have your back." He passes a key to Elliot while they both look at the screen (and break the 4th wall Elliot: "What's [the key] open?" Mr Robot: "It belongs to you now." passes a Mask to Elliot "Made in the orient. Made it just for your head. Now, find your monster and turn the key." The scene that comes after the above scene: Elliot is walking through his childhood neighborhood and where his home should be is a sign that says, "Error 404 Not Found" Immediately a tomboy-ish girl rides up on a bike. Elliot: "Hello. Hello, Friend." Girl: "But we're not friends." Elliot: "Can you tell me what happened in that house?" Girl: "First, can you tell me what's your monster?" Then she giggles. "I think you dropped this." The girl hands Elliot a key she found on the ground and then rides off on her bike. A scene that follows after: Elliot and Angela are dressed in formal wear and are supposed to be getting married. They're talking in the fsociety arcade. Angela "Those people in there [I don't know where the "where" is that she's talking about], I just told them what they wanted to hear. You're not going to do it, are you? Change the world. Figures: you were only born a month ago. You're afraid; afraid of your monster. Do you even know what it is?" Angela hands the key to Elliot that Mr Robot just recently handed to Elliot. Angela: "It doesn't fit." Elliot: "Why not?" Angela in a Mr Robot voice disguising filter: "Isn't it obvious? You are not Elliot. You're---" and the audio/video cuts out. Also, an interview this week with Darlene's actress here: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mr-robot-star-carly-chaikin-922572 Interviewer: Elliot's incarceration must have greatly informed your work as Darlene throughout the season. Is this the biggest stressor in Darlene's already very stressful life? Darlene's Actress: I don't even think it's necessarily about Elliot being physically gone, as much as it's about him not being with her in this anymore. Emotionally, Elliot being like, "We can't do this, we need to stop." Maybe even Angela's the real personality and a whole bunch of characters are nested dolls. Quoting someone from when season 1 ended: NowonSA posted:After finally getting around to seeing the scene with Elliot and Tyrell's wife, I'm 100% on board with Tyrell just being another personality of Elliot's. At this point I just want them to go all-in and make Elliot live a truly incredulous number of alternate lives, each played by a different actor. 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DaveKap posted:Because if someone manages to guess the crazy twist, they feel smart... despite the fact that all they did was guess. Seeing a bunch of clues, making a guess based on them, then being proven true is a kind of validation people don't get often in the world of popular dramatic television. Especially when it's something that isn't revealed until deep, deep into the season but is hinted at from the very beginning. In other words, people like to feel special. I personally find it to be a challenge and I've voiced my thoughts on there being an "encryption" to the story. I do kinda want to feel special and I'll articulate it in the theme of the show: "I want to be the one to hack the Gibson." However I'd just feel clever, not smart. Also, putting my theory out there both contests my theory for being weak but also adds supporting details I didn't think of like how Whiterose and Zhang are brother/sister alter egos. One thing I really like about the show is that there is a lot to discuss and it is very dense. Even when the story isn't causing "what if..." discussion there are a ton of intertextual references to other media including songs, plays, movies,and actual news events/coverage. After Season 1 ended someone made a really detailed post about how many Macbeth allusions there were with Tyrell's family. So many broad but detailed nods there that the story could be encrypted fully by media references. Which is why I like this post: Snak posted:The entire show is actually manifestations of Elliot's fan theories of watching some other show (probably Alf) while in a mental institution. The Sean fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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Snak posted:More like "It was all a show". Elliot hacks Sam Esmail's computer and finds the scrips of all the things that have happened in the show, and he turns to us and he's like "I told you everything, how could you never tell me that my life is just a television show!?" This is really amazing. Elliot being a popcorn machine, though. Gonna have to look out for that.
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Tiggum posted:You mean except for how he told his young son that he was dying of cancer and to keep that secret from the rest of the family? Because that's pretty terrible. I'll consider this when I rewatch it again but I thought that his dad shared it to comfort him after getting bullied at school or something. Still not the best parenting choice, maybe, but I took the intent to be coming from the right place. He ends that scene by letting Elliot name his store, which I felt was sweet. Contrast this with his mom being overtly physically and verbally abusive in Elliots flashbacks. Also, I'm pretty sure Elliots not supposed to tell his mom and Darlene isnt mentioned (Darlene = Elliot, lol) . Tiggum posted:You're right, that is dumb. Thank you for the positive affirmation.
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I appreciate you finding the quote. Thank you, sincerely. From the screenshot you posted that girl in the photo looks similar to the one that rides up on a bike in his morphine withdrawal sequence. Snak posted:Honestly, I don't really like the tone of this thread, where people feel the need to attack other people's ideas for being stupid. Why can't we just talk about the show and its ideas in a casual and friendly environment without fighting over whose theory is the stupidest possible thing? Yeah, some posts have been offputting to me. I even tried to avoid this by saying my theory was silly/dumb/whatever to acknowledge that from the start. Another effort I made was to bring up things that happened from the show but even bringing up support was mocked. Whatever. I think guessing at what's happening is part of what the show is about and watching it collectively is intended to be an experience. The show really tries to make the show feel current to make it more relevant to us as the audience. poo poo, even after episode one and two people were posting stuff like this: Ev posted:My crazy internet theory (probably wrong) is that Mr Robot is, or has something to do with the VP at Evil Corp. Not the one that was arrested, the one that talked with Elliott about Gnome vs KDE. I'm a dedicated goon and don't really enjoy Reddit but some people over there actually worked together to figure out some stuff. Apparently a barcode of the composition book Elliot was writing in this season had a barcode that when decoded led to this website with a page from Elliot's book: http://www.red-wheelbarrow.net/internal/ The Sean fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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Snak posted:But she does claim it's a package that she bought. Its pretty plausible, although i dont know of there are any existing companies that build and maintain smarthouses. there will be soon. I'm not even that wealthy but I recently moved into an urban apartment that was just recently built that came with some smart thermostat as a standard. The toilet has a motion sensor to open/close the lid and warms up when you sit on it. It was a very short leap for me to get smart lights to control from my phone and smart outlet controllers are out there, too. I could easily see really loving fancy homes/apartments for people way above my stature/paygrade.
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waitwhatno posted:The microstamping thing is trolling by the producers. You know how most movies have completely nonsensical hacking scenes because nobody notices or cares except a small demographic of nerds? When Elliot's having his morphine withdrawal sequence and the tall black guy and bearded white guy hackers from fsociety are seemingly watching over him they're watching the movie Hackers. Tall guy says something like "In all my years of hacking I've never had a virus singto me" (in reference to the virus singing "row row row your boat" before taking out the oil tanker) and bearded guy says "Yeah, and I've never flown through a tron city of data files." Tall guy replies (paraphrasing): "Someone out there right now is writing a TV show that will totally gently caress up the recent generation's idea of what hacking is like." Also, gently caress the people gratingly disagreeing with my Elliot = Darlene poo poo. Here's some more stuff. Also, I'm just going to enjoy if you say I'm dumb and don't offer any substance in your reply. Someone recently posted a family photo showing a girl in the family. I actually enjoyed the specific confrontation to my theory rather than "lol dumb" though I find it weird that the parents are holding Elliot but the girl's just off to the side. Borrowed Ladder posted:It's actually a great, subtle hint. Elliott says "hello friend" and she replies, "we're not friends." Elliot also writes in his notebook that he is upset at someone but starts over again "Hello, friend" and Mr Robot interrupts and is pissed off. Just before Elliot first meets Whiterose Darlene gives him her phone number and insists that he put it in his phone. Mr Robot is pissed off right afterwards as they're not supposed to make any real connection with eachother in fsociety. Why would Darlene have to give Elliot her phone number if they're siblings and previously close to eachother (previous to Elliots apparent freakout before the start of season 1, that is?). Really there'd be no reason for this. Just after he meets Whiterose Elliot seems really distraught. He's partially distraught over his interaction with Whiterose but also over Gideon snooping around. Elliot (Narrating): "Do you know more than me? That wouldn't be fair--my imaginary friend knowing more than me. We need a distraction to get Gideon's phone." Elliot calls Darlene Elliot: "Darlene, I need you to do something for me." Elliot (Narrating): "She can help. Sometimes it's hard to listen to an explanation. Even when it's from myself. Especially when it's from myself." In the scene right after that, the Fscociety Mask character calls out Gideon directly but the distorted voice sounds very much like Darlene to me. The Sean fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Max posted:Elliot is the fish. I jokingly said it recently. Someone else did just within the past few days. Someone else said it right after the episode aired. I actually think it's unironically awesome that this could be a possibility. Since the fish just sees the same poo poo every day but media culture could be rotating in its view every day (including re-runs of Alf); it would explain all of the random music, tv, and movie references. Just so I don't piss more people off I'm not actually suggesting this. Escobarbarian posted:Some people in this thread are so loving thin-skinned lmaooooo I know, merely suggesting a theory like Elliot = Darlene makes people lose all of their social niceties. loving hilarious. The Sean fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Tiggum posted:Several people did actually make substantive responses though, you just ignored them and carried on. I don't think that I ignored anything of substance. You literally edited out me recognizing someone for challenging the theory with some substance in the same paragraph that you were responding to. Not even just the same post--the same paragraph. To put it another way, you said that I ignore people but deleted the line where I didn't ignore someone. There were a few comments I gave positive recognition to, I believe. I think a lot of people were either being 1) assholes 2) funny or 3) a bunch of loving babies. The first two parties I can excuse. If you feel I was too dismissive then let me know (privately, even, to not make this thread about me). A lot of poo poo I saw was like "dumb lol" or "let me get my notes" sarcastically. Again, whatever. Just put me on ignore if you don't want to read my posts. Or just scroll past. Now that I think of how hard that is I realize the monstrous burden I've placed on others. Also, this post is from someone who still posts in the thread and the content and tone could be otherwise be a response to me. I am purposefully not using their username since this is nothing personal. This was from before the Mr Robot reveal and the dude/dudette is still posting in the thread despite "not thinking of a way for [pulling off the device]: quote:I have difficulty being OK with Mr. Robot being Tyler Durden because I cannot think of a way for them to do it in a satisfactory manner. If they can pull that off, more power to them. Otherwise, I think we're all finding so many parallels to other forms of media that we're latching onto the Durden issue too tightly to the point where we're basically convincing ourselves and using every small detail as a means of support. In the interest of making the thread about something else: Someone asked recently about writing "Whiterose" vs "White Rose." I looked it up and I think it's supposed to be one word in the frame of the show. However, I learned about a resistance group in WWII-era Germany that went by the name of White Rose that distributed pamphlets contesting the monstrosities of the Nazi Party (a la fsociety's video-based political statements). One link I find interesting between the White Rose group and fsociety is that White Rose seemed to be a bunch of people from different religious and ethnic backgrounds. Another cool correlation is that two of the main members were siblings. The Sean fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Mameluke posted:In order: Thanks for this detailed response. There are ways I can bs some responses up for the last paragraph (that probably wouldnt really explain things) but instead I'll kindly shut up. The Sean fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Accretionist posted:Oh, that's no shoutout. The Cantenna is real. Even if it's real I'm willing to place this in the the shoutout/allusion category since this show really makes an effort to refer to other media. DaveKap posted:There are 3 personalities controlling Elliot. The first is Mr. Robot, who is the id. The second is the audience, who plays the super-ego. The third is Elliot, who acts as ego. I'm not sure if it all checks out but I kinda like this theory. Also "nested personalities" as I said before lol. I did find it interesting in this episode that Angela mentions that Elliot was already talking to someone only he could see when he was 8 and ran away. Does this predate when his dad passed away or what? Edit: From looking at Wikis it looks like Edward died in 1995 and Elliot was born in 1986, so I think Elliot already had a weird friend personality before his dad even died. I'm not calling anything now, but I find it interesting that Coney Island seems so important to the Aldersons. They used to visit there as a family, Darlene got kidnapped there, and they base fsociety out of the arcade there. It makes me think of the speech Leslie gave about the arcade being the center of evil in the universe. I thought of this, too, when Elliot and his pops were talking about how lovely the revolution turned out to be. It really didn't seem to make anyone's life better and Ecorp just made their own currency to stay on top of poo poo anyways. Other notable things from this episode: we learned a lot about what motivates some of the characters that we are familiar with. I really enjoyed Price's speech about power; he seemed to articulate it really well and the writing dodged him just being cartoonishly evil. We also learn that Darlene is motivated by feeling special; first she denies it when Cisco says it but later confesses that being kidnapped (and the way the lady treated her) made her feel special. The Sean fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Sep 9, 2016 |
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GutBomb posted:It's really not a reference to Burn Notice. It's a hacker thing that's been around since WiFi began. Just because another show used it doesn't mean the two are related. Yeah, I don't really know either way, but you can't deny that the show has a very dense amount of references, sooo... Also, I've never seen Burn Notice. This video actually explains my understanding of Burn Notice: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/burn-notice-game-show/n12712
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On the optimistic side, possibly rigor mortis set in an the cat is still holding on and leaving a legacy of inspiration. (For whatever reason, this scene/episode from Simpsons was the first thing that I thought of, as well).
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Mr. Powers posted:Tyrell is both alive and dead until we observe the episode. Schroedinger's sociopath
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Benson Cunningham posted:How good was Grace Gummer this season though? Detective Lollipop was loving amazing. For me she is the best TV cop outside of The Wire.
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precision posted:Elliot's monologue went from inner to outer because Rami Malak/Sam Esmail were breaking the fourth wall and literally talking to the viewers because of what happened/is currently happening with Trump, in case the video footage didn't make it clear enough. Jesus. Yeah, poo poo. He talks to the audience all of the time. It's not even a random aside; it's part of the narrative foundation.
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Great season so far. I'm loving the quick pacing. Irving was amazing. The opening scene was hilarious wrt to the "free thing on your next visit" Seinfeld-/Larry David-esque protest. It's interesting that he insists on so much on analog records, from writing on his hand to giving Elliot the cypher last season on the restaurant menu. Joanna's death took me a bit by surprise but I'm interested to see how that will have a ripple effect. I'm glad that bodyguard is still (apparently) alive but it's weird that Tyrell and Joanna's baby will be given to social services. I'm seeing the baby be used as some type of hostage against Tyrell down the line if Elliot or someone can track it down. Detective Lollipop maybe? White Rose threatening Price over Angela was interesting, as well. White Rose using her as leverage seems odd, though; I don't know why Price wouldn't just say, "gently caress it, what do I care?" if he wasn't actually Angela's real father. It would explain a bit of why he hand-picked her to rise up the ranks of E-Corp. Speaking of unpopular opinions, I still have Elliot = Darlene in the back of my mind. I can't really rationalize the Wellick audio scene, honestly, other than making a distant grab at "Elliot isn't telling the truth again." However, Darlene being his trigger to summoning Mr. Robot could work into this theory. Krista would probably be open enough to treat Darlene as a real person when Elliot talks about her (or the other way around?) in the same way that she takes Mr. Robot as a serious personality--both when speaking with Elliot, and now, with Mr. Robot directly. The Sean fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:Is this a real theory? How does that work at all? None of the FBI thinks it's weird that [actually Elliot] got immunity in exchange for spying on her brother Elliot? To say nothing about all the things Darlene was doing while Elliot was physically imprisoned during season 2. Why does such a large portion of the internet have the pasttime of coming up with the absolute dumbest show theories possible. I wish it was possible to talk about shows without having this inane poo poo come up all the time. I don't really consider it a real theory, but as I said, something in the back of my mind while I watch the show. poo poo on it, I don't care, but consider this: for this particular show "unreliable narrator" is a heavily prevalent narrative device--the backbone of the story, maybe. Piggy-backing on the hacking theme, as well, the story seems to use cryptography on the narrative and nothing ever seems to be the whole truth. I'm not going to go dig through the thread, but saying "hey, I think Elliot's actually in jail" in the beginning of the last season could get you laughed at but it turned out to be true and there were clues hidden in how the scenes were presented. As well, the fact that you could fairly easily speculate that Tyrell was Elliot was a plot device for Elliot himself at the end of last season. Again, poo poo on it if you want, but it's part of the experience of the show; it's not like I'm flirting with the idea of Ross and Chandler being the same person. A related, but different point: Elliot wrote in his journal last season that he told his counselor about being pushed out a window but in this episode she states that he has never expressed that to her. Two mutually exclusive story options. The only thing that I am disappointed with so far this season is having no resolution to Mobley and Trenton getting tracked down by Leon at the end of last season. The Sean fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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Alright, cool. Any guesses as to who was behind the mask in the fsociety video this episode? It looked like a guy with a beard.
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That DICK! posted:Elliot is working with the FBI to get evidence to convict Elliot. Of course, he's just bait for a bigger fish - the guy they're really after is Elliot. Joking aside, based on the investigation board at the end of S2 Tyrell is actually the center of the investigation and is the biggest fish. The board does show that Darlene and Elliot have different ID numbers, though (so nobody has to say it, that makes sense). The Sean fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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TraderStav posted:Claim your free mr robot hoodie. Just got mine. Gone. Thanks, though.
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TraderStav posted:Need to have auto-fill contact information ready on your phone, friend. Or a side personality that wakes you up and uses your computer at night.
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Kabuki Shipoopi posted:Either you understand how dumb this thread can be, and this is a pretty good attempt to get the thread riled, or you are the worst at watching television. Post history in this thread kinda checks out. Lots of calling people's theories idiotic, but probably drinking the kool aid now or just trolling. They caught on to the "Elliot is in an institution" pretty early on in the face of disbelief. Elias_Maluco posted:Well is certainly a bit less stupid than "Eliott is Darlene" Ugh. So close!
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Blind Rasputin posted:Did you just have a stroke? It's clearly a satire post.
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Nov 21, 2017 14:18
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Everyone is Kevin McCallister the Snowman.
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Snak posted:Mr. Robot is actually Sam Esmail desperately trying to get his characters to advance the plot of his show. Actually, Elliot's handle right now is samsepiol which is Sam Esmail portmanteau'd with Alex Sepiol (development chief at USA). This appears in a few places, namely the FBI board at the end of season 2. On to another discussion, can't remember the scene crystal-clear right now, but I was fully expecting for Elliot to be pushed out of/fall out of the skyscraper window when he had his back to it. Logistically I don't know how that would work due to the thickness of the glass but it felt so close. The Sean fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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In regards to "___ is actually ___" stuff: if it happened again it wouldn't have to be "a twist that they re-used" but instead a gimmick of the show that is the foundation for the story. My girlfriend is too lazy to post, but her take is that Elliot's dad and Angela's mom both had the opportunity implant themselves in their kids' brains or time travel control them to live out their plan from when they died/moved on to live through them. Gluten Freeman posted:I'm kinda disappointed that Dom's on-again, off-again girlfriend is an actual human being in this past episode, because it was a lot funnier when I thought she was talking about Alexa. In a way, I can't rule out that Dom was making it up. Dom is very charismatic and ruthless so I could see her making it up to seem vulnerable and relatable to Darlene. I may be misremembering, but doesn't this come up after Dom is pissed at Darlene for being mostly useless in moving her investigation along? In that way, maybe Alexa still is her gf, friend. Otherwise, it could be a basic "cop can't balance work and his/her relationships" thing.
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Feenix posted:Yes. I had a feeling someone would bring that up. Still doesn’t jive with ordering your son to be shot and beating the shot out of him. Wasn’t the window a heated accident? Referring to Elliot being pushed out of the window as "a heated accident" still isn't great support for "no parent would do that to their kid." Elliot's dad is an adult and should have self-control.
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