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Eej posted:For example, taking all the land and also all the treasury as a Horde would be great The Great Khan frowned as he watched his men dump tons of gold and other assorted vauables from his latest conquest into the river, never to be seen again. He didn't understand why, but his ministers assured him that this was the way of things.
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Schizotek posted:As it is the Ottomans blob way faster and more successfully than their historical counterpart did. Huh? The OE blobs more slowly in the game than it did in real life, where it reached nearly its maximum extent about a century into the game. Matching the pace of Selim's and Suleiman's conquests isn't easy.
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This was a few pages back, but:Fintilgin posted:Yeah, they used to have a variant like this for EU2 (?) called 'Fantasia'. Randomizer DLC definitely needs a new Fantasia mode too. There's a current EU4 Fantasia mod on the steam workshop: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1135104888&searchtext=fantasia+extended
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Varam posted:Huh? The OE blobs more slowly in the game than it did in real life, where it reached nearly its maximum extent about a century into the game. Matching the pace of Selim's and Suleiman's conquests isn't easy. Maybe it's because I'm not counting their North African holdings which never get conquered because Tunis always decides to be a vassal in everything but name, but they always eat Egypt faster than they historically did and then eat Persia by 1550. Sometimes they hold off on Europe, but sometimes they go ham until they reach the HRE. e: I ran a game on observe while I read a book to demonstrate. I don't think it proved anything I wanted it to. 
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Sep 20, 2017 02:24
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i'm the hot mess that is eastern europe/central asia
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Sep 20, 2017 07:22
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did you set the Hwan Empire (History of Korean) flag by accident when you started that game
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Sep 20, 2017 07:35
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Pellisworth posted:imo we need a new bar to fill that lets you purchase missions Yeah I'd prefer it if they alternated between bars and sliders, or maybe add one of each per expansion?
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Sep 20, 2017 07:45
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Schizotek posted:Maybe it's because I'm not counting their North African holdings which never get conquered because Tunis always decides to be a vassal in everything but name, but they always eat Egypt faster than they historically did and then eat Persia by 1550. Sometimes they hold off on Europe, but sometimes they go ham until they reach the HRE. Go home Novgorod, you're drunk.
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Sep 20, 2017 09:53
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Eej posted:i'm the hot mess that is eastern europe/central asia Detheros posted:Go home Novgorod, you're drunk.
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Sep 20, 2017 11:14
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Both Muscovy and Ethiopia. What even happened?
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Alloran posted:Both Muscovy and Ethiopia. What even happened?
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It's extremely rare, but Muscovy can lose/disintegrate, and Novgorod's AI isn't anywhere near as aggressive.
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Tahirovic posted:Yeah I'd prefer it if they alternated between bars and sliders, or maybe add one of each per expansion? A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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Sep 20, 2017 16:37
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A Buttery Pastry posted:A slider that determines how fast your bar builds up, and a bar that when full allows you to move the slider, which gets filled by hiring advisors of the appropriate category. nice real excited for this dlc, Mana from Heaven
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Schizotek posted:Maybe it's because I'm not counting their North African holdings which never get conquered because Tunis always decides to be a vassal in everything but name, but they always eat Egypt faster than they historically did and then eat Persia by 1550. Sometimes they hold off on Europe, but sometimes they go ham until they reach the HRE. This is utter batshit. Amazing. Only thing that would make it better as an weird map would be if the Ottomans were doing lovely instead of just okay or if Morocco was more successful--and the latter could still be in the cards.
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Is it just me, or does the AI consistently make completely backwards and ahistorical colonization choices? The Caribbean is consistently a hotly contested area, as it should be, but the continental New World gets silly. Especially with England and Castile/Spain I keep seeing them grabbing whatever colonial areas are the most out of the way for their trade routes, rather than the best ones. Britain goes for South and Central America while Spain hits up the US/Canada region. Minor colonizers are also strange, for example Norway usually starts colonizing at some point but instead of going for Canada they tend to pick up Colombia for whatever reason.
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Atreiden posted:finished my Brandenburg->Prussia game. Ended up controlling all of the americas and the african trade companies and picking up two achievements, Laughingstock and center of attention, so that was nice. I wish Prussia had a better map colour than almost uncolonized gray, I used to play with a mod that changed it to Prussian blue, but it wasn't Ironman compatible. Wait, how did you conquering all of the americas while Spain and France seem to be pretty powerful?
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Guildencrantz posted:Is it just me, or does the AI consistently make completely backwards and ahistorical colonization choices? I've seen England plop down 2 colonies on Cuba, then promptly ignore the rest of those juicy 4/5/1 islands, or north America, to focus on Brazil and Argentina. Also Norway colonizing Colombia and Portugal going exclusively for the Ivory coast (this last one kinda makes sense but still... Seeing the Caribbean half empty in 1600 makes me go  )I think something's not quite right with colonizing AI but I have no idea how/why TorakFade fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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Alloran posted:Both Muscovy and Ethiopia. What even happened? Ethiopia can be easily ganged up on by local muslim powers. If Novgorod somehow pretends to be like a human player they can ally with Lithuania (if it doesn't get PU'd by Poland) and give Muscovy a stomping when they do their year 1 war.
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Mans posted:Wait, how did you conquering all of the americas while Spain and France seem to be pretty powerful? I was Prussia holding all of the HRE, Polish part of Poland, Hungary, parts of northern Italy and Denmark. I had almost 1mill manpower, around 500k standing army and a ton of money , it was very easy to bully them, break their alliances and then basically declare war on them every time a peace treaty ran out. So basically cycled through fighting France, Spain, England and Portugal, while colonizing and mainly taking colonies in the peace treaties. EDIT: And I was very lucky to get Austria, who had integrated Hungary, as a junior partner in a PU in the early 1600. I used that to dissolve the HRE, since Catholicism had won the thirty-years war but other than Austria, there was no strong Catholic countries in the HRE. Atreiden fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Sep 21, 2017 |
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Schizotek posted:Maybe it's because I'm not counting their North African holdings which never get conquered because Tunis always decides to be a vassal in everything but name, but they always eat Egypt faster than they historically did and then eat Persia by 1550. Sometimes they hold off on Europe, but sometimes they go ham until they reach the HRE. I only just realized Ligor, wtf.
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Tahirovic posted:I only just realized Ligor, wtf. My current game had near-great power Nevers without any direct or indirect involvement on my part. They diminished a little towards the end but at one point held like 25 provinces south of Low Countries and east of Paris. Most of France was Spain. The Alps was Great Power Savoy.
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I started a Poland game as my first Ironman run and after a royal marriage to Lithuania, we created a PU within a month of the start date. Um, am I doing this right?
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So how the hell am I meant to get an England game off the ground? Should I just abandon my French holdings and avoid royal marriages so the disaster can fire and give me a ruler who isn't total dogshit?
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Peas and Rice posted:I started a Poland game as my first Ironman run and after a royal marriage to Lithuania, we created a PU within a month of the start date. Um, am I doing this right? the death of the polish king and the subsequent personal union from the brother taking over are why the game starts when it does
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oddium posted:the death of the polish king and the subsequent personal union from the brother taking over are why the game starts when it does  Ha, I'm an idiot, thanks.
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I haven't tried an Asian game since Mandate of Heaven because of the outcry from this very thread. Has that changed at all in recent patches? Is Ming still dumbly overbearing?
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Bloody Pom posted:So how the hell am I meant to get an England game off the ground? Should I just abandon my French holdings and avoid royal marriages so the disaster can fire and give me a ruler who isn't total dogshit? Might be worth restarting until you can get a decent set of alliances on mainland europe to hold of France, until you have dealt with the war of the roses.
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Jay Rust posted:I haven't tried an Asian game since Mandate of Heaven because of the outcry from this very thread. Has that changed at all in recent patches? Is Ming still dumbly overbearing? if you're in asia it's fine, you just pay the tribute and go hogwild like normal. it's when you're on the fringe of asia and suddenly every war against an opm east of the caucuses is also a war against ming that sucks e: also everything related to ming having and losing the mandate is bad. but just hanging around in asia isn't
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Jay Rust posted:I haven't tried an Asian game since Mandate of Heaven because of the outcry from this very thread. Has that changed at all in recent patches? Is Ming still dumbly overbearing? You're going to effectively have to pay an " East Asia Tax" and resign yourself to just ignoring Chinese lands outright for a couple of centuries. It's especially noticeable in a Japanese game because it really limits your options. Also say goodbye to ever getting great power status in the meantime. Whether or not this kills the fun enough to avoid it is up to you.
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Bloody Pom posted:So how the hell am I meant to get an England game off the ground? Should I just abandon my French holdings and avoid royal marriages so the disaster can fire and give me a ruler who isn't total dogshit? You can definitely do this and still wind up very strong, it's the easiest way to do an England start since nothing else in the British isles can really threaten you and the continental enemies can't get to you. However it's also totally possible, and in the long run will put you in a much stronger position, to merc up, get some good allies, and take over France. You will need to pay close attention to their movements, wipe out their armies quickly and siege them down as rapidly as possible, all the while hoping that events or disasters don't suddenly drop gigantic amounts of rebels in your backyard, but if you have good generals and a bit of luck it is totally possible. Be advised that if you succeed, France will still be very unhappy with you and if they can find a single worthwhile ally are likely to launch an independence war before the 15th century is up. This round two should be slightly easier than the first war, hopefully, because you've been enriching yourself and consolidating the British Isles to up your army size in the meantime. If you can win that one (or even lose it, toughen up quickly, and use the Restoration of Union CB you will get to come back and beat them) they are not likely to rebel again and you will be in an immensely strong position for just about anything you want to do. It's a good way to start a Roman Empire run, or colonize everything and make hundreds a month in tariffs, or whatever.
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One thing that keeps loving me up is France nearly always replacing their guarantee on Scotland with an alliance. And Scotland deciding not to buddy up with an Irish minor that I can use to drag them into a fight.
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Bloody Pom posted:One thing that keeps loving me up is France nearly always replacing their guarantee on Scotland with an alliance. And Scotland deciding not to buddy up with an Irish minor that I can use to drag them into a fight. Deal with Scotland first, then go deal with France. Use your fleet to prevent the French from landing troops on your island
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Dance Officer posted:Deal with Scotland first, then go deal with France. Use your fleet to prevent the French from landing troops on your island This and try to get Austria and Aragorn-Napolis as Allies, having those + possibly Castile/Portugal to deal with France makes it a lot easier, even if they lose, they are making France burn money and manpower while you deal with Scotland, making it easier to turn around and take on France after. It's imho worth restarting until you get Austria and Aragorn to rival France. Burgundy might also be a possible ally but Austria tend to rival them and Austria is a better ally imho.
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poo poo's on sale, time for the requisite "which DLC" questions. I can see that Art of War is a big one, but is this like CK2 in that you need certain DLCs to play as certain types of people, or are they valid, but the experience is a bit better with the appropriate DLC?
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Dareon posted:poo poo's on sale, time for the requisite "which DLC" questions. The latter. Though Common Sense helps quite a lot outside of Europe, to the point some would say it's almost mandatory. As for which DLCs, Common Sense, Art of War, and Rights of Man are the three really good ones.
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Nothing's locked out without DLC like in CK2, but some DLCs make playing as certain types of countries dramatically more fun, and of those Common Sense is the most important, since it has one feature that's borderline necessary for everywhere outside of Europe. It's also a good expansion in general. Rights of Man is the other major one with lots of features for everybody, and with the three of those the game is very solid. Mandate of Heaven and Cossacks especially are the other major ones with global features you'll notice as every tag, but they're not nearly so necessary, and Mandate of Heaven has something that makes playing in India or the Steppe kinda un-fun. Hopefully they'll fix that next patch but we'll see I guess. Other than that most of them are less global, with more of a focus on a specific playstyle. Of those, ordered in imo most to least important:
Also Cossacks has a lot of stuff for nomadic countries, and Mandate of Heaven has tons for East Asia. Also worth mentioning there'll almost certainly be another sale when the next expansion comes out (which should be in the next month or two), so if you wanna pass something up to get later there'll be lots of other chances.
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So doing my Ethiopia game again. So first off, game is going better than last time, mainly because Ottomans have been slow to attack me it seems. I was able to grab Cairo and Alexandria faster than they could. Lacking some of the other nice provinces around them, but I made them states anyway since I grabbed Mandate of Heaven and discovered the Defensive Edict, boosting my defensiveness to over 100% (and the Feudal De Jure edict was boss). Allied with Tunnis... who is allied with the Ottomans, which will hopefully buy me time. Allied with Oman too. They've been pretty decent for dealing with Yemen and Warsangali. Pretty sure they'll crumble against Ottomans though... hoping to make it down with some big gains against Kilwa and get that Mombasa trade collection going like someone suggested. Also Kilwa has a PU with Kongo, so that means I can take 100% of their land but only get 50% warscore  Now, for bitching... So let me get this straight: You lose Defender of the Faith if you lose -any- war, even when sided for/against non-believers, and even when answering as call to arms as a non-co-belligerent non-believers? What a lovely system. I mean I grabbed it because that War Exhaustion reduction since it's great (take my time with wars, no mana costs), figuring I was the only Coptic left. Also what's with the Exiled army system? I go to help the loving Timurids (the war that I lost my Defender of the Faith from), because I've been sort of allied with them all game since I've been hard up for allies, I go in and clean up this mess they've been in, siege this little two province minor (Kokkand) who's allied with Multan in the war against them. Timurids peace Kokkand out separately, then my army is exiled since it was in Kokkand's territory... even when I go back into Timurid territory, the war still on-going, I'm exiled. So if I get exiled like that, I have to book my rear end all the way back to Ethiopia? I'm pretty sure at this point this thread at the point for me is to bitch about the capricious nature of the rules in this game.
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Yeah the exile system can be pretty rough. It's even more fun when you exile ally armies by accident and then they stand there doing nothing while you continue fighting the main war target alone.
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