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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

THANK GOD

Mornacle why didn't you want to win???

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imgay
May 12, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Sucks when no when believes your vanilla.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates

Hal Incandenza posted:

THANK GOD

Mornacle why didn't you want to win???

I'm a man of peace!!

imgay
May 12, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
ty for believing in me asiina

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
Great game, everyone, and thanks for a super fun time Pig! This was the first time I've ever been a 3P in my life, and it was very nerve-wracking!

So, in seriousness about the no-kill thing, I copped n1 because I'd got some suspicion and had to have something to claim, plus I figured I'd hold my cards close to my chest w/r/t having two nightkills out there. Then n2 I figured I was a good target for scum or the tracker, whichever there might be, so I hid. And then I started to realize it would be feasible for me to win my first ever SK game without killing a single time, so I just had to go for it. I was hoping last night that imgay really was scum and would kill Asiina expecting to win (and then get endgamed by me), especially since I knew that Asiina was going to protect him and that it would probably be it for me if she didn't die. In fact, I PMed this to Pig when the thread opened today:

quote:

Calling that Asiina was obliged to doc imgay last night and will now vote me because there was no kill.
I was hoping that imgay had bailed me out with his "scum who can't kill" supposition, but alas, no such luck. Also, it's too bad I didn't raise a fuss about the lack of kills one day sooner or later, since I think I'd have won if Asiina could have targeted me instead of imgay.

Town could have probably figured out that there were two scum teams. EXAKT had a one-shot jail, which would be worthless if there wasn't someone who could kill scum. Also, his flip of unlimited rolecop + 1-shot hide was a perfect match for my unlimited cop + 1-shot hide. I was very nervous every time I talked about him that someone would notice one or both of those things, you can see me start to omit the jailer/hider aspect of our roles as the game went along. I actually thought of trying to bring it up, but I thought it was too likely to backfire and out me as Knowing Too Much. I also considered claiming SK on the last day to see if Asiina would vote NL again, but I guess it's good I didn't because it was probably still plurality and therefore that would never have worked.

I'm not sure if I should've been playing under the assumption that the other scum team was a 1-man or not. For a while, I assumed there must be a second one that would make my cop not worthless. Toward the end, I was trying to play with a mind toward either possibility. Hence why I killed Sam instead of imgay: I knew Asiina couldn't protect me that night, so if there was a scum I wanted to kill him; if not, I didn't have a chance convincing Asiina to kill Sam after she protected him during a no-kill. Also, if Sam had in fact bussed EXAKT, then there was a possibility that EXAKT rolecopped me n1 and Sam knew I was SK; the way he kept switching onto me with no explanation seriously did make me anxious.

I really was honest about liking him for scum, though. I never lied as far as I remember, except for the last result I claimed on imgay. In general, I tried to play the whole game like a townie, with the caveat that I had to stay alive obviously. It definitely was difficult to fake in endgame, though, here's a PM from right before the last no-dunk:

quote:

Its getting so hard to pretend like I care who we kill as long as it's not me, if we no-dunk again I will cry.
Even today, I kind of considered myself as halfway a winner already, so I was pretty YOLO about it, whereas if I was town I would have been super nervous.

Great job Asiina and imgay! EXAKT, I'm sorry you got trackered so early and we didn't get to have a battle of wits. Spooky wits. :drac:

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
Hey, I did it.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates

Somberbrero posted:

Hey, I did it.

It's funny because I honestly was surprised when you flipped town.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

I feel pretty good that my only real posts all game were trying to get the only scum killed.

Had I lived to D2 I was going to start going after mornacle because I didn't like the cop claim (which turned out to be true!) but reading along by the end of the game I definitely didn't know if it was imgay or morn, that was a good job of being pretty town. From a personal standpoint I wouldn't want to nerf myself into a survivor role like you basically did, but at the same time I totally respect the balls it takes to try and win that way.

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Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates

Hal Incandenza posted:

I feel pretty good that my only real posts all game were trying to get the only scum killed.

Had I lived to D2 I was going to start going after mornacle because I didn't like the cop claim (which turned out to be true!) but reading along by the end of the game I definitely didn't know if it was imgay or morn, that was a good job of being pretty town. From a personal standpoint I wouldn't want to nerf myself into a survivor role like you basically did, but at the same time I totally respect the balls it takes to try and win that way.

I wouldn't have done it at first if I didn't think there was a scum left to do my job for me, then by the end I was so close I had to try. Though honestly, I think it confused the town so much it almost got me there on weirdness alone. :v:

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