Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

It can be read as Arnold setting in motion consciousness within the hosts prior to dying which allowed them to learn and precipitated the crisis which happened four years after his death. He doesn't come out and say when it was that he almost took the park with him.

Again, it's the kind of thing that lends itself to interpretation. One thing I would point out is that it's a little more expected that Logan would be speaking about Arnold's death if it happened four years ago rather than 34 years ago. I mean, the company has a board and governance structure and anyone looking to buy in would be able to go over their finances. But early on, the park would be much less known as a corporate entity. For someone who is probably ~35 himself, Arnold should be ancient history and uninteresting to a potential buyer like Logan.

Hopefully we have more to chew on after Sunday but I won't be surprised if this continues to the last episode - I don't expect a big reveal or confrontation until then, at least.

quote:

Ford: When was your last contact with Arnold?

Dolores: Last contact: 34 years, 42 days, seven hours ago.

Ford: Yes, Dolores. The day Arnold died. And you have no records of any contact with him since?

Dolores: No.

Ford: What was the last thing he said to you?

Dolores: He told me I was going to help him.

Ford: Help him do what?

Dolores: To destroy this place.

Ford: But you didn't, did you?

Gynecolojustice posted:

please tell me the people who think Logan is a host are loving joking

Bananaquiter posted:

Maybe Mcpoyle is in Westworld Anaheim and the MiB is in Orlando.

Gynecolojustice posted:

please tell me the people who think Logan is a host are loving joking

Transferrins posted:

Logan is not a host, but maybe Delos bases some hosts on guests that have had standout experiences. Have William and Logan ever seen Teddy or Hector?

Skizzzer posted:

MiB links Arnold's death to the critical failure of the park, and indicates that he saved it after this event. Two timeline theorists theorize that there's another incident, to come in Will's journey, and that Will saves the park after this second incident. This despite the fact that Will clearly doesn't know Arnold, and doesn't know about the critical failure. For there to be a second incident, to come in Will's journey - the park is clearly running with very little issues in Will's story. You theorists are saying that Arnold died, concurrently with the critical failure, the park kept running for 3-5 years, and then Will comes, experiences love with a robot, kills his brother-in-law, takes over a corporation, saves the park, then starts terrorizing his lover and friends for the next 30 years?*

I hope to gently caress this is not true.

*If Arnold shows up in Will's story, then we know this theory is true.

A final note on the Man, Arnold, and Bernard. I can't watch the episodes at work and I can't screenshot for you. Pay attention to each of Dolores' conversations with Bernard. Note the clothes he wears versus the clothes when he's in scenes with others. Take note of when he's wearing something different than what he usually wears, and what he says to Dolores in those conversations.

Lord Waffle Beard posted:

Why do people think MiB is bad? Because he kills robots?

KoRMaK posted:

You never poo poo talked in video game chat?

Catsplosion posted:

Logan has mentioned the suicide to William already. It's safe enough to say that he could do more research after leaving this place for the first time. So when he's talking about Arnold taking this place with him he doesn't have to be referring to a time where he himself has met Arnold. Logan mentions that the place has been "Hemorrhaging money" since Arnold died so William knows the park has been in decline since then.

William doesn't need to meet Arnold in the timeline we are seeing. The only thing that needs to happen in Williams storyline is Logan dying (giving the company over to Will or Logan's sister / Wills wife, possibly) and William either falling in love with Delores or being amazed by the depth of Westworld and the secrets it holds. Enough for him to keep coming back and investing in the park in the future.

An event like William finding himself. Which is where Fords "journey of self-discovery" would relate.

Lycus posted:

What I definitely haven't done is thought about raping a terrified NPC.

The Mandingo posted:

KoRMaK posted:

Lol you're takin pictures of your TV

Bananaquiter posted:

Maybe Mcpoyle is in Westworld Anaheim and the MiB is in Orlando.

sticklefifer posted:

Though given that the non-diagetic score music includes NIN and the Rolling Stones, maybe it's just a weird stylistic choice to remind you it's not really the Old West.

tooterfish posted:

I read an interview with Nolan somewhere about it, that's one of the reasons they did it.

sticklefifer posted:

This is kind of an odd theory for such a small thing in a complex show, but the player piano at the Mariposa is always playing something anachronistic to the time, which is more or less early 20th century Old West. I've noticed we hear snippets about the outside world fairly subtly, and it always makes it sound like it's a utopia where people want for nothing. So what if the reason for the player piano playing so many 80s/90s hits is because they're so far into the future that anything from the 20th century is sort of conflated with each other? Like, hundreds of years from now someone might say "20th century music? Ragtime, Radiohead, The Cure, it's all from the same era." Sort of like how most people just call any orchestral music across several centuries "classical".

Though given that the non-diagetic score music includes NIN and the Rolling Stones, maybe it's just a weird stylistic choice to remind you it's not really the Old West.

Junkfist posted:

You're supposed to say something along the lines of "Everything you do to Hosts is actually fine because they're NOT REAL and I'M NOT REAL please don't ever think it's the same please don't have any sort of guilt-driven existential crisis PLEASE keep coming back and spending all of your money here."

Doorknob Slobber posted:

loving a robot would be more satisfying if you were convinced it was human.

Doorknob Slobber posted:

I imagine it depends on the person. loving a robot would be more satisfying if you were convinced it was human.

Zaphod42 posted:

All of this, but also it makes for good entertaining TV since we the audience enjoy those songs

Phi230 posted:

1. Dolores hallucinates MiB before running and encounting Bill and Ted

Phi230 posted:

2. Stubbs the control room operator was there and the same age both times when MiB requested pyro effects AND when Dolores was with Bill and Ted.

Phi230 posted:

Lol some dude on reddit noticed two blatant and obvious detail that destroys 2 timelines.

1. Dolores hallucinates MiB before running and encounting Bill and Ted

2. Stubbs the control room operator was there and the same age both times when MiB requested pyro effects AND when Dolores was with Bill and Ted.

Phi230 posted:

Lol some dude on reddit noticed two blatant and obvious detail that destroys 2 timelines.

1. Dolores hallucinates MiB before running and encounting Bill and Ted

2. Stubbs the control room operator was there and the same age both times when MiB requested pyro effects AND when Dolores was with Bill and Ted.

sticklefifer posted:

This is kind of an odd theory for such a small thing in a complex show, but the player piano at the Mariposa is always playing something anachronistic to the time, which is more or less early 20th century Old West. I've noticed we hear snippets about the outside world fairly subtly, and it always makes it sound like it's a utopia where people want for nothing. So what if the reason for the player piano playing so many 80s/90s hits is because they're so far into the future that anything from the 20th century is sort of conflated with each other? Like, hundreds of years from now someone might say "20th century music? Ragtime, Radiohead, The Cure, it's all from the same era." Sort of like how most people just call any orchestral music across several centuries "classical".

Though given that the non-diagetic score music includes NIN and the Rolling Stones, maybe it's just a weird stylistic choice to remind you it's not really the Old West.

tooterfish posted:

This is a good spot.

It's also worth noting that in episode 1, Bernard's opening dialogue with Dolores mirrors her dialogue with security guy later on in the episode exactly word for word.