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Panzeh posted:They need to do romeworld with Pullo and Vorenus. It must happen. I wonder if John Wayne and Clint Eastwood are hanging around the park somewhere.
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I dint think westworld would have any celebrity hosts for a number of reasons
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Oct 10, 2016 13:05
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Robert DeNiro as Max Cady: Now at Westworld. Hitching rides underneath covered wagons and whatnot. Poisoning dogs.
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Oct 10, 2016 13:11
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Nickelsack posted:Or they're bringing up BLM (lol, really?) Well, it's not *not* about BLM...it's about a category of person whose experience of pain or loss is considered less important than the comfort of advantaged (white) people. BLM's argument is that black people are denied personhood, because a cop "making a mistake" is treated like a broken egg and not a lost life. This show literalizes that thinking. The analogy to Westworld is strained, but I get where they're coming from. I'm personally getting more of a feminist argument from the show, on that point. The idea that, with enough money, a man can live out a fantasy defined largely by his ability to objectify and mistreat women however he wants. And he gets away with it because the system is literally built by other men to facilitate this. It's pretty much real-world sex trafficking turned up to 11, where the sex workers aren't simply disempowered by poverty, but literally built to be inhuman and beneath any need for consent. Given that the central irony of the show is that people do horrendous things to the hosts under the belief they aren't "real" (when actually they are), it's no surprise that people might see analogies to actual problems of racism, sexism, or systemic power abuse.
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Oct 10, 2016 13:19
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Man I'd love to go on a cool treasure hunt with that old dude. That seems way more fun than being some weird loner dude blasting the hosts away randomly.
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Oct 10, 2016 13:36
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Rocksicles posted:So you can't have a sexually liberated character on TV now, without someone getting huffy about gender politics. "This means this, so imma bun it down for everyone" Bisexuality isn't a function of whatever the gently caress "sexual liberation" is. I'm annoyed at it being reserved for characters as a marker for amorality, and your equivocation of hypersexualization with a sexual orientation is exactly why.
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Oct 10, 2016 13:40
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OldTennisCourt posted:Man I'd love to go on a cool treasure hunt with that old dude. That seems way more fun than being some weird loner dude blasting the hosts away randomly. You say that now, but once you both start working his gold claim, you'll wonder whether you can trust him. Eventually you'll start sneaking away in the middle of the night to bury your share secretly.
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Oct 10, 2016 14:08
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Watching this show I roll my eyes at someone actually choosing to go on a mission to go panning for gold with ol' one eyed Jim then I remember I spent countless hours smithing in Skyrim.
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Oct 10, 2016 14:39
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theflyingexecutive posted:Bisexuality isn't a function of whatever the gently caress "sexual liberation" is. I'm annoyed at it being reserved for characters as a marker for amorality, and your equivocation of hypersexualization with a sexual orientation is exactly why.
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Oct 10, 2016 14:45
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VendaGoat posted:Thank you. Goodness
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Oct 10, 2016 14:58
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theflyingexecutive posted:Black hat guy: hypersexual and bi Try it another way: Black hat guy: id White hat guy: superego It's a show about androids attaining the middle ground of Freudian consciousness: ego. This point is not made with subtlety.
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Oct 10, 2016 15:28
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PerilPastry posted:How do you guys feel about the Danish actress playing Theresa Cullen (the head of operations)? Hmm, I just realized she isn't the president lady from Battlestar Galactica. Why is there a need for 2 actresses in this world that look and act completely identical?
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Gynecolojustice posted:Hmm, I just realized she isn't the president lady from Battlestar Galactica. Why is there a need for 2 actresses in this world that look and act completely identical? And both of these actresses look just like Lorraine Bracco
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theflyingexecutive posted:Bisexuality isn't a function of whatever the gently caress "sexual liberation" is. I'm annoyed at it being reserved for characters as a marker for amorality, and your equivocation of hypersexualization with a sexual orientation is exactly why. I'm just pissed that tribal lesbians from Vanuatu aren't fairly represented, nor the hottentots from the wilds of africa that worship the Great Ant. What the loving gently caress show. Eskimos? You're telling me there are no Eskimos? Racists, xenophobes, biggots.
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PerilPastry posted:How do you guys feel about the Danish actress playing Theresa Cullen (the head of operations)? All I see is the first female Prime Minster of Denmark. (Borgen is a good show, and made me really jealous of the linguistic versatility everyone seems to have over there.) As an American, I think her performance is fine; her slight accent awkwardness I just chalk up to her being crazy in her own way, like everyone else in the place. Although I can see it being more noticeable if you're very familiar with her.
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Oct 10, 2016 15:46
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Lechtansi posted:You mean that the managers are humans with complex lives and the hosts have simple lives that reset every two weeks? Sounds about right. I would imagine people don't go to westworld for a combat challenge, there's probably a million future paintball bullshit things that you can experience for less than $40,000 a day
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Oct 10, 2016 15:47
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Gladi posted:Yes, And my phone literally says "you have a phone call from Father", and it says that even if somebody else is calling from his phone. Hosts are just machines with a script generated response. The issue is that they're becoming something else, but the hosts that greet guests off the train? Probably not, they don't need to have anywhere near the level of sophistication to emulate being a greeter who fucks you
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Oct 10, 2016 15:49
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physeter posted:Try it another way: Yeah I totally get that. Bisexuality is being used as a shorthand for carnality. It's lazy loving writing.
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theflyingexecutive posted:Yeah I totally get that. Bisexuality is being used as a shorthand for carnality. It's lazy loving writing.
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physeter posted:You know, you're totally right. The reserved superego-controlled android should have been the one to have the bisex fuckbot threesome. Good call. Would it have been annoying to have a lispy gay guy talking about clothes and hair and how the dirt in Westworld would ruin his cute new boots? Same principle.
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Oct 10, 2016 16:58
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OldTennisCourt posted:Honestly that dude with the black hat showing the park off to his buddy was obnoxious as poo poo. Oh no dude, not like I maybe wanna explore the park at my own pace, please haul me around like a loving creep. It's like starting to play an MMO with a friend who has already powerleveled through everything and they try to drag you through it, and they get mad when you don't learn fast enough.
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Oct 10, 2016 17:06
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I'm trying real hard not to be one of those nerds that complains about realism and detail, but I feel like guests should be getting injured/killed at a fantastic rate even if hosts can't shoot them. Like, if I was transported to the Wild West I would probably get seriously injured within like...20 minutes. Falling from a horse, trying to reload my six shooter, getting run over by a train, fistfighting another guest in a brothel, etc
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Oct 10, 2016 17:14
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Im guessing Lyle the Intern will turn out to be a creepy dude who wants black hat's wife/girlfriend back in the real world and ends up doing some murdering for her.
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Oct 10, 2016 17:30
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Can the Hosts get into non-lethal fistfights with guests? I know they can't shoot them but surely the saloon brawls have to feel authentic right?
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Oct 10, 2016 17:36
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Oct 10, 2016 17:37
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How can guests even tell the difference between guests and hosts?
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Oct 10, 2016 17:38
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Sith Happens posted:How can guests even tell the difference between guests and hosts? Shoot them and see if they have a hole blown through them?
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Mike the TV posted:Shoot them and see if they have a hole blown through them? I meant in Westworld, not Chicago.
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Sith Happens posted:How can guests even tell the difference between guests and hosts? I don't think this holds up unfortunately, but it seemed like maybe it was the black/white hats. Most/all of the men I was noticing were wearing them, but lots of the Hosts were wearing beige or grey hats. I hadn't noticed any (imaginary or not) trends on the women though.
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Oct 10, 2016 17:52
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Sith Happens posted:How can guests even tell the difference between guests and hosts? The conversation that William and Logan have in the restaurant briefly touches on this, but I don't think there is a way, really. You either determine it based on their anachronistic behavior or, as William's intro host says, it doesn't really matter--they're just another character in the park. Unless you try to attack them, I suppose, the ramifications of which we'll hopefully see in future episodes. My girlfriend had the same question throughout and after episode 2, among others. She's not really used to a show that asks more questions than it answers, but you have to just go with it and hope that the internal consistency of the show and the park resolves itself. 404notfound fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Oct 10, 2016 17:53
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Sith Happens posted:How can guests even tell the difference between guests and hosts? Is it not the same principle as the movie, where the hosts are cold blooded? Therefore presumably PvP interaction can occur, but the weapons won't kill you because they fail on warm blooded humans?
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WMain00 posted:Is it not the same principle as the movie, where the hosts are cold blooded? Yea but what if they use something besides a gun, like their fists or beating them with some random object?
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Oct 10, 2016 18:10
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I think most of the interaction in the park is host/guest. It seems all the plots try take the guests out of the towns individually or in their small groups.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:10
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Yea but what if they use something besides a gun, like their fists or beating them with some random object? They are programmed to never hurt a living thing. So most hosts probably do some stunt fist fighting to make it look cool, but don't land any of the punches. Now the bow and arrows they've shown the indians to have- that's something I'm curious about. Like, are they programmed to just be bad shots, or are they 'smart' arrows that self-destruct before hitting a real guy.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:18
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Mike the TV posted:They are programmed to never hurt a living thing. So most hosts probably do some stunt fist fighting to make it look cool, but don't land any of the punches. I'd love it if a Guest got shot with an arrow and it just bounced off because they have rubber tips.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Yea but what if they use something besides a gun, like their fists or beating them with some random object? Per the producer, all the hosts are programmed to intervene and take the hit for the guest. But assuming no host could intervene, I can only imagine that the clothes worn by the guests are fitted with some sort of taser or tranquilizer that can be triggered from the HQ. And assuming the guests managed to get around even that, I would assume that the legal disclaimers protect Delos from lawsuits. Also, the legal status of the actual property of Westworld hasn't been established, and it could be extra-territorial. Guest-on-guest murder might not actually be a crime if and when it does occur.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:20
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Didn't one person say "occasional manslaughter?" Barring that, it'd probably be bad for business if people died a lot in the park.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:38
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Wasn't there something that said it was up to the discretion of Delos to report crimes to the outside authorities? If a guest was actually killed somehow then just replace them with a host, no-one need know
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The worst kind of nerds will write a dissertation on how arrows in westworld work between episodes so people in this thread don't need too.
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Xealot posted:Well, it's not *not* about BLM...it's about a category of person whose experience of pain or loss is considered less important than the comfort of advantaged (white) people. BLM's argument is that black people are denied personhood, because a cop "making a mistake" is treated like a broken egg and not a lost life. This show literalizes that thinking. The analogy to Westworld is strained, but I get where they're coming from. It seems like this show already does a better job of getting at the interesting things that Dollhouse tried to hit on with its clumsy existentialism. Also the premise allows this one to ask those questions better because it's a little bigger that just a sci-fi brothel, whereas Dollhouse couldn't come up with any other things to do other than elaborate prostitution.
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