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spacemang_spliff posted:lol there's no black people in KS bro And yet Kansans hate them just the same
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icantfindaname posted:And yet Kansans hate them just the same Nah, you're thinking of the real threat to Kansas: homophiles, abortionists, and the Pelosi/Reid axis
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Jun 14, 2015 01:45
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just kidding. Kansas doesn't like black people. Sometimes you have to tell them that you can't refer to the one black family in town as the "colored family"
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Jun 14, 2015 01:48
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Gyges posted:Though Reconstruction in Kansas with Federal Governor Sebelius might be kind of funny. I have never in my life felt the urge to write fanfic. Until now.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Nikki Haley: "We aren't going to get on the express elevator to Hell, we're taking the scenic route!" I won't let my children be tainted by Physics and Calculus! Leviticus 8:9 "And the Lord did say the world is flat." America Inc. fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jun 14, 2015 |
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spacemang_spliff posted:lol there's no black people in KS bro Kansas is where I learned that racism still existed. I'd read about back east but never seen it. I was always a target in schools due to my dads job but in Kansas I observed a very different reaction when the scared child of a laid off steel worker took a swing at me while black vs when they were white. From students and teachers alike ( we can bully her but not you ... ). As a result I felt somewhat safer around black students than white ones and my school was over a third black. Racial violence within the school was common enough that the fights I got into were treated very differently than I was used to. In a place like New Hampshire there would be so few fights that my string of altercations was big news. In Kansas I was one of many kids who was constantly in the principles office for fighting and the administrators understood how group tensions can put you in places where you can't avoid a fight. They were very pragmatic about it. Kansas racism is also the source of one of the very few memories I have of my father where I have any respect for him. A manager-type came to our house for dinner to discuss the list of the (1st) round of layoffs to suggest switching some folks around. Dad noticed that the man's proposed list was almost entirely black - a few white guys who were drunks/problematic/etc too but basically he was swapping most of the white guys on dad's list for black guys. Dad pointed this out and in the privacy of a rich white guys dining room the rep acknowledged it and called on white solidarity. Dad replied that he would make one change to the list and added the racist rear end in a top hat to it then told him to get out. Not that he is a good human being. He sincerely believes you can determine a person's moral worth from their bank account and takes misogyny to truly rarified levels. But he is definitely missing racism from his collection of -isms. Anywho, I assure you. There are indeed black people in Kansas. 5.7% according to Google.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:13
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spacemang_spliff posted:lol there's no black people in KS bro I'm a black dude from Topeka, man. There's more black people in Kansas than people think.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:32
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Vanderdeath posted:I'm a black dude from Topeka, man. There's more black people in Kansas than people think. nah I know. I was being facetious.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:47
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I'm suddenly feeling a deal less sympathetic to Kansas. That's a very narrow view though, and it doesn't mean the state deserves to burn to the ground.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:49
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McAlister posted:Kansas is where I learned that racism still existed. I'd read about back east but never seen it. I was always a target in schools due to my dads job but in Kansas I observed a very different reaction when the scared child of a laid off steel worker took a swing at me while black vs when they were white. From students and teachers alike ( we can bully her but not you ... ). As a result I felt somewhat safer around black students than white ones and my school was over a third black. Racial violence within the school was common enough that the fights I got into were treated very differently than I was used to. In a place like New Hampshire there would be so few fights that my string of altercations was big news. In Kansas I was one of many kids who was constantly in the principles office for fighting and the administrators understood how group tensions can put you in places where you can't avoid a fight. They were very pragmatic about it. I'm going to guess this happened in Wichita. When I was in Jr High, a black classmate (the nicest girl I've ever met) walked by a really racist kid who said "Well, excuse you n-word." Her boyfriend over heard and stomped the dogshit out of the racist kid after class. The racist kid went to jail sometime after HS because he had sex with a girl w/ down syndrome. That's the most KS story I know.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:51
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Klaus88 posted:I'm suddenly feeling a deal less sympathetic to Kansas. That's a very narrow view though, and it doesn't mean the state deserves to burn to the ground. There's really almost nothing worth sympathy in Kansas, but yes, no one deserves this poo poo let alone worse.
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What's actually kind of amazing is how current events in Kansas have arisen due to a very clear domino effect that's spiraling out of control: 1. Obama is elected. Backlash from the Right due to controversial fiscal policy decisions and fear of tax increases under a Democratic President leads to the formation of the Tea Party in 2010. 2. Sam Brownback rides in on the Tea Party wave with extreme supply-side economic measures in mind. 3. Brownback institutes massive tax cuts hoping to stimulate the economy. 4. The resulting Kansas revenue shortfall leads to a massive deficit that is nigh impossible to fix as crucial public services have already been cut to the bone. 5. On top of the budgetary crapfest, Kansas Supreme Court rules that the drastically defunded schools are grossly insufficient. On top of the looming $600 million deficit Brownback has to increase funding for schools by $550 million. 6. Brownback & the GOP Legislature retaliate by trying to strip the Judiciary of fundamental administrative powers and will defund it entirely if these changes are rebuked. 7. At an important campaign event for the 2016 election, a major GOP leader is decapitated in an act of treachery and an elephant's head is sewn onto his body. The morbid effigy is paraded around on horseback as Obama cackles in glee from the White House. The Kansan Mujahideen swear fealty to our Kenyan Muslim overlord, while the ensuing collapse of the Heartland leads to a weakening of border security. Mexican wights have been seen in the South in massive hordes. Okay, #7 hasn't exactly happened yet, but with the political chaos, internal strife, and moderate VS Tea Party backstabbing that's going on in Kansas it's on the horizon. It is known, Khaleesi. It is known. EDIT: spacemang_spliff posted:I'm going to guess this happened in Wichita. 
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Jun 14, 2015 04:14
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spacemang_spliff posted:I'm going to guess this happened in Wichita.  Every post in this thread lessens my sympathy for the people of Kansas. I'm also of two minds about this situation. If you're dumb enough to utter the N-word in broad daylight where people can overhear, then you deserve whatever comes your way. A violent reaction just feeds racist stereotypes, however.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:35
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icantfindaname posted:If they want to burn the state to the ground in their tantrum instead of raising taxes, then godspeed to them. I guess it's easy to say because I don't live in Kansas, but the bigger a flaming disaster this is the worse it makes conservatives look I think you'll find that Brownback and the rest of Kansas just failed Conservatism. If only they hadn't floundered we'd have a vast, prairie Utopia. Really though, the whole state was tainted by blood ties to Obama. Dude just ruins everything.
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Klaus88 posted:
Klaus88 posted:I'm suddenly feeling a deal less sympathetic to Kansas. That's a very narrow view though, and it doesn't mean the state deserves to burn to the ground. That black girl and her boyfriend were also the people of Kansas. There's a weird tendency of people to say stuff like that, or like "Southerners are racist", which implicitly imply that the white citizens are the 'normal' and the minorities are not really Kansans, or Southerners, or whatever. I know you're not really doing that, but I think it's bad phraseology and it leads to stuff like "gently caress the South" or the idea that because Texan GOP people were lovely about Katrina that when Texas gets hit with flooding we shouldn't send them aid. We don't have the option of not trying to fix Kansas. It's part of the US, and the citizens there are our responsibility. A lot of the ones acting like assholes probably grew up in a town that was 100% conservative and went to a public school where the biology teacher either avoided evolution or outright taught creationism. I'm not taking away individual agency, but we can't expect anything different from the populace of Kansas unless we manage to give them something different.
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You're right, let me fix my phrasing.me posted:I'm feeling a great deal less sympathetic to all the small minded bigots and racists in Kansas. That doesn't mean we should let the state burn to ground just to spite those assholes since by extension, everyone in Kansas who's not a racist will also suffer. Better?  What was Brownback expecting? An Altas shrugged style utopia with almost no government and private businesses providing all essential services?
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Vanderdeath posted:I'm a black dude from Topeka, man. There's more black people in Kansas than people think. serious question, why don't you leave same to anyone who lives in one of these poo poo states gently caress, people in africa will cross the mediterranean in a makeshift boat to have a chance to climb a fence into europe and all you have to do is buy a greyhound ticket Obdicut posted:We don't have the option of not trying to fix Kansas. It's part of the US, and the citizens there are our responsibility. you realize this isn't the country you live in and it's pretty much unanimous amongst those in power that the poor should suffer quite frankly, the citizens don't want your help, if they did they wouldn't be voting for politicians who explicitly tell you(the rest of the US/the federal govt) to gently caress off Kansas chooses its own fate and will drag anyone who chooses to stay there down into the depths along with it down with slavery fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Jun 14, 2015 |
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Jun 14, 2015 13:40
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You do realize that 46% of people voted for Brownback's opponent in 2014, right? So no, we shouldn't just lump everyone together and tell them to go gently caress themselves.
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Jun 14, 2015 13:53
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Dr. Tough posted:You do realize that 46% of people voted for Brownback's opponent in 2014, right? So no, we shouldn't just lump everyone together and tell them to go gently caress themselves. im not telling them to go gently caress themselves, im telling them to get out of places where the majority are self-loathing idiots because the majority rules in this country what exactly CAN we do other than sit back and watch?
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How come poor people don't just buy a bus ticket with money they don't have, sign a lease in an unfamiliar city with the credit they don't have, and in their new place rely on their support network of friends and family that doesn't exist here. Duh, how hard could it be?
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VitalSigns posted:How come poor people don't just buy a bus ticket with money they don't have, sign a lease in an unfamiliar city with the credit they don't have, and in their new place rely on their support network of friends and family that doesn't exist here. Duh, how hard could it be? I think this is a big part of it, but empathy really does play into it. At least in my local community there's a belief that if the state really was 100% conservative things would be much worse.
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VitalSigns posted:How come poor people don't just buy a bus ticket with money they don't have, sign a lease in an unfamiliar city with the credit they don't have, and in their new place rely on their support network of friends and family that doesn't exist here. Duh, how hard could it be? if you take a cursory glance around the world you'll find that people move with less money, to stranger cities with less of a support network in order to improve the standards of living for themselves and their families nobody said it was easy, but I mean, there are colleges with actual young people with potential there, it's a comedy. sure, some people are "stuck" in Kansas, but there's plenty of educated individuals above the poverty line that should be getting the gently caress out if they have half a care for their future down with slavery fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jun 14, 2015 |
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down with slavery posted:if you take a cursory glance around the world you'll find that people move with less money, to stranger cities with less of a support network in order to improve the standards of living for themselves and their families. The people that get on boats to go to Australia or Europe or whatever have literally nothing and are often fleeing armed conflict. Most of the people in Kansas have a job and home. This is simple cost/benefit stuff.
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Dr. Tough posted:The people that get on boats to go to Australia or Europe or whatever have literally nothing and are often fleeing armed conflict. Most of the people in Kansas have a job and home. This is simple cost/benefit stuff. point being that they could move if they had sufficient desire and it's not like anyone is actually literally "stuck" in Kansas. yes, some people in the most severe poverty can't move but acting like everyone in Kansas is stuck there is pretty weak imo Vital Signs wants to pretend like people leaving Kansas is effectively impossible for the vast majority of the poor there and that's simply not true you're right, it's about cost/benefit, and there's a lot of people who simply don't understand the benefit they would get if they just got the gently caress out of lovely states like Kansas, forgive me for simply questioning a something awful poster for why they hell they would stay there
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Dr. Tough posted:You do realize that 46% of people voted for Brownback's opponent in 2014, right? So no, we shouldn't just lump everyone together and tell them to go gently caress themselves. That's 401,100 voting D in a state of 2,904,000. Only 14% of Kansans get a pass. 
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Jun 14, 2015 14:25
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Because the people who can afford it should just abandon the rest that can't. Small sacrifice.
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Dr. Tough posted:You do realize that 46% of people voted for Brownback's opponent in 2014, right? So no, we shouldn't just lump everyone together and tell them to go gently caress themselves. She's part of that 46% and a huge reason why nobody should be taking pleasure out of seeing folks in Kansas suffer at Brownback's hands.
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Accretionist posted:That's 401,100 voting D in a state of 2,904,000. Only 14% of Kansans get a pass. I would imagine that some people likely had their vote repressed
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down with slavery posted:if you take a cursory glance around the world you'll find that people move with less money, to stranger cities with less of a support network in order to improve the standards of living for themselves and their families Which is why aid to Africa is foolish, because it just rewards those too lazy to leave for their own immorality down with slavery posted:nobody said it was easy, but I mean, there are colleges with actual young people with potential there, it's a comedy. sure, some people are "stuck" in Kansas, but there's plenty of educated individuals above the poverty line that should be getting the gently caress out if they have half a care for their future And yet, millions of Kansans don't, maybe their own laziness or stupidity is why they are poor -A "leftist"
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Klaus88 posted:
In that story, it was the black girl's boyfriend (who probably was white because it's Kansas) who beat the crap out of the racist kid.
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Jun 14, 2015 14:48
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Some children only learn not to touch the stove after they have burned their hand. It seems like the people of America have to learn in a similar way. So the suffering of the people of Kansas is a necessary sacrifice.
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Jun 14, 2015 14:52
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Some children only learn not to touch the stove after they have burned their hand. It seems like the people of America have to learn in a similar way. So the suffering of the people of Kansas is a necessary sacrifice. That implies the people of America will learn a lasting lesson from Kansas. If not, then the more analogous example is people who are unable to feel pain at all: they burn themselves on hot stoves because they don't recognize the signals that their actions are doing harm. In that sense, the suffering of the people of Kansas isn't a necessary sacrifice, it's pointless cruelty.
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Mo_Steel posted:That implies the people of America will learn a lasting lesson from Kansas. If not, then the more analogous example is people who are unable to feel pain at all: they burn themselves on hot stoves because they don't recognize the signals that their actions are doing harm. In that sense, the suffering of the people of Kansas isn't a necessary sacrifice, it's pointless cruelty. It also assumes that the GOP and its wealthy leadership give a rats rear end. They don't. They care about money, and even with what is happening in Kansas they'll get plenty of that. The people will suffer and they don't care.
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spacemang_spliff posted:I'm going to guess this happened in Wichita. I wish it had been Wichita. One word. Libraries. I was an hours drive from the nearest book store and the only library in the place was a couple half assed shelves in the school that had been heavily pruned of "objectionable" reading material. That said, Kansas was the first time I'd ever heard the n-word uttered at all ( as in, it had to be explained to me because id literally never heard and didn't understand it ) and while its use was punished I heard it used as a slur multiple times per month. They also had an astounding drug problem. Doubly astounding given the stereotype of drugs as an urban problem. If memories of my pre-Kansan naïveté are amusing picture a 14 year old who spots a needle on the ground and assumes a diabetic has lost his insulin kit ( grandpa was diabetic and that was my only non-doctor's office association with needles ).
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radical meme posted:So did the budget that was passed yesterday account for the Judicially mandated increase in Public Education? I read that what was passed still required Brownback to come up with $50 million in budget cuts on his own, is that the case? No it didn't because the Kansas government passed a law changing school funding and now everything is alright!
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down with slavery posted:im not telling them to go gently caress themselves, im telling them to get out of places where the majority are self-loathing idiots because the majority rules in this country you can also laugh.
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One presumes we should bail out Kansas because calling out the army or national guard to deal with roaming bands of well armed, hungry citizens who can't find work, feed or educate their children or find proper housing is not really the sort of thing one wants in any form of representational government. I guess Kansas practices the "from my cold dead hands" and "survivors will be shot again" style of gun ownership?
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Klaus88 posted:One presumes we should bail out Kansas because calling out the army or national guard to deal with roaming bands of well armed, hungry citizens who can't find work, feed or educate their children or find proper housing is not really the sort of thing one wants in any form of representational government. Well one problem is that Kansas is likely to refuse a federal bailout with its current government? You do remember that an assload of states refused free federal money for healthcare because of Obama, right?
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Nintendo Kid posted:Well one problem is that Kansas is likely to refuse a federal bailout with its current government? You do remember that an assload of states refused free federal money for healthcare because of Obama, right? State budget mess got so bad due to the tax cut plan some more moderate republicans suggested maybe the state should accept some Obamacare blood money.
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