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Psion posted:wow, stock trader shun. That takes me back. Well the Kindaichi game was pretty decent if you don't count the silly extra bad endings. Also the Tendo games (wow it's been a while since those, huh) were also pretty good, especially the first one. The problem is since I don't know anything about the game, I get attracted by slick visuals like in this case. And turns out that's pretty much all this game has going for it (well, that and the music and some half-decent dialogue). But do you want to hear a really funny thing. I had another game on my list to eventually play, it was this one:  The title is "Diamonds and the Sound of a Gunshot", I mean how can you not play a game with such a title. And it also looks ultra slick and everything when you play it. But, guess what. It's the same writer as this game, so... yeah. Not touching that with a ten foot pole any more! Yeah, Stock Trader Shun was quite some time ago lol, but you know me, I'm of fickle nature and get distracted easily by shiny things, so now I have another game in mind, which I've come across a few months ago and it sounds absolutely worth doing. This one has a bit of a reputation as a cult classic and I've seen a lot of people mentioning how they would like to play it if it only were available in English, but sadly it's not. In any case, here is the game I'm planning next, although, as mentioned, I will probably start a new thread for it:  If it's not clear, the title of the game is Linda3 (Linda Cubed). It's a Playstation 1 game from 1997 (but actually a remake of a 1995 PC-ENGINE/TurboGrafx game) and on the surface it's a pretty typical JRPG of this time period, although with a number of unique elements. But the plot is absolutely insane and is what makes this game really worth playing! It even has a bunch of properly animated anime cutscenes! In a PS1 game! And also, as I mentioned before, it features as part of its plot a cult of Santa Worshippers (not Satan, Santa!). This is a much more well known game that a numer of people on this side of the world have played and wrote about, so I am going into it a lot more confident about the quality, but as always, we'll see! Also, thanks for the kind words (and also for still reading this mess!), and to be honest, based on what I've seen, I don't particularly think that Shun is any kind of a masterpiece. In any case, at this point, I'd rather play Linda3 anyway! 
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ivantod posted:The title is "Diamonds and the Sound of a Gunshot", I mean how can you not play a game with such a title. And it also looks ultra slick and everything when you play it. But, guess what. It's the same writer as this game, so... yeah. Not touching that with a ten foot pole any more! The Writer Will Not Be Forgiven, huh? I have a feeling that Linda's cover is very misleading to its actual content, though
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CremePudding posted:The Writer Will Not Be Forgiven, huh? CremePudding posted:I have a feeling that Linda's cover is very misleading to its actual content, though Oddly enough, that cover is basically a screenshot which appears in the game itself! Although, obviously, on the cover it's taken out of context, so it's not clear what it represents. I can even show you a slightly different version of it, from near the beginning of the game: Although the game mostly has the typical late 1990s JRPG style look otherwise: ivantod fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Jun 20, 2021 |
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Booky posted:as for linda cubed.... i recall hearing that apparently the ps1 ver toned down some content from the original pc engine release, and then all those changes got undone in the later Complete version which even keeps the fancy anime cutscenes (its on the pc engine i think??) Well, it's like this. First the game was published on PC-ENGINE/TurboGrafx platform in 1995, which was way way WAY at the tail end of that platform's lifecycle. Then in 1997, it was remade for PlayStation 1, and I do mean properly remade, with improved graphics overall and some gameplay QOL improvements too. Check out the difference in graphics between the two versions:  TurboGrafx Version  PlayStation 1 Version Nice improvement, right? Also as part of this remake, the anime cutscenes were also added (or rather, they replaced the existing, mostly static cutscenes from the TurboGrafx version). It also added something else extra which I'm not going to spoil here. This version was sold under the name "Linda3 Again". It is also true that as part of this remake some content in the game was toned down somewhat. One example that I can easily confirm, because it's at the very beginning of the game is a cutscene in which, among other thigs, a female character is sexualised in a very uncomfortable way. This part of the cutscene was more or less entirely removed in the PlayStation remake. So probably there may be other such instances or maybe some small changes in the dialogue too. The game was then subsequently ported to Sega Saturn in 1998 under the name "Linda3 Again Complete". And here is where I think that the whole talk about the cut content having been restored in this version is mostly an exaggeration. Basically, as far as graphics and cutscenes are concerned, the PS1 and the Saturn versions are entirely identical (note how I say "ported" above, not "remade"). The cutscenes were absolutely not changed or redone in any way between the two versions. So as far as what might have been "restored" that leaves some small bits of incidental dialogue potentially, and certainly nothing that majorly impacts the plot. The reason why this version is called "complete" is I think because it added a couple of additional small extras, like art gallery and such, but again, as far as I understand nothing that really impacts gameplay. I think it also came with the soundtrack CD, but I'm not 100% sure. In any case, the most popular of these three versions is without a doubt the PlayStation version, and that's the one that you can typically find the most amount of information for on the net, so that's the one that makes sense to play. As for the scary stuff, yeah there are definitely some gory/grotesque bits in this game which may not be everyone's cup of tea. But the cover itself is not related to anything like that. Oh, and before I forget, about this: Psion posted:Is that character wearing a jetpack? ivantod fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Jun 21, 2021 |
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ahh i see, ty for the handy details!  the game definitely seems very unique; even that magical backpack is a weird new detail! (oh yeah, btw for the lp will there be like, content warnings on some updates or no? sorry for asking so many questions!!)it's a real shame that the house lost its diner booths tho
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Booky posted:ahh i see, ty for the handy details! No worries, you can ask me anything you want! Believe it or not I was actually thinking to put up some warnings at least for the cutscenes, because as I mentioned some of them do get a bit gory/generally weird in ways that may not agree with everybody. But now that you mention it, it might be a good idea to consider the same for the rest. I mean, the game, outside of cutscenes, looks as you see above, so there isn't going to be anything graphic visually, but there still might be textual content which is potentially an issue. So I will figure out a way to indicate to the readers in case there is anything out of the ordinary in a particular update or cutscene. Thanks for suggesting it!
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After getting herself knocked out, Ririko ended up in some factory with Asakura, where he was talking some nonsense for a while. Then Kusanagi showed up and killed him. Then Ririko rummaged through his stuff and found a bag which contained some drugs, among other stuff. Then Kusanagi asked her to hand over the bag to some dudes in a citizens' group with oppose the Naha casino project (where a couple of new characters were introduced literally five minutes away from the end of the game, always a sign of good writing), and then promptly disappeared, saying that she will never see him again! We also got a bunch of flashbacks shedding some light on their marriage, but which probably would have worked better if they were distributed at appropriate moments over the course of the game, rather than just dumped like this all together at the end. Anyway, let's see what happens now! Oh, and a warning. There's going to be a fair bit of "wait, what" moments in this part, so that's going to lead to some elevated snark levels too! But what can I do?         Because Ririko apparently has no detective skills at all, the friendly ghost has to intervene again. You know, it's just too drat hard to figure this one out! Also, Ririko is talking out loud like that to a ghost that nobody else can see. This is fine. The ghost disappears.  Because, apparently when you're an impostor, you wouldn't bother to know the full name of the person you're impersonating.      Indeed, this is a station on the Naha urban rail, and it is located four stops away from Omoromachi. Also, completely lost at this point, Ririko calls Yuuji on the phone.     Ririko tells Yuuji about the recent events...  You forgot about that bag of drugs, though. Ririko's phone rings.  It is, of course, Kusanagi.  His connection starts breaking up... *click*  Ririko tries calling again, but it doesn't work. This didn't occur to her to try?   *click*  And some time later, Ririko and Yuuji arrive at Shureimon, which is one of the gates of the Shuri castle grounds...  In any case, Shuri castle and Shureimon, built in the 16th century, is actually a real thing in the vicinity of Naha, Okinawa, and the screenshot above is actually of the real thing too. Here it is:  By 663highland - Own work, CC BY 2.5, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=15815766 It is also present, since 2000, on the 2000 yen banknote: _front.jpg) But anyway, back to Ririko and Yuuji.  Ririko gets out of the car...  The shirt patterns in this game are something else, right? Sure, why not, let's meet another random dude whom we don't know. Kusanagi certainly didn't bother to give us any kind of pictures or description of these guys or anything like that...   But she left it in the car? Ah, no, it's just the game cheating here a bit and failing to be clever at it. You'll see soon enough. Well, now this guy is starting to sound like he's fake too? Oh my god, why are these criminals so incompetent!  Somehow, there is a "check" here. I know, we all pretty much forgot by this point that that mechanic is even in the game still--it certainly never amounted to much to begin with. None the less, we do have one here!  Kaneshiro: He supposedly has broken ribs, but his body movements are quite exaggerated. Mouth: His story is inconsistent, I can't trust it. Eyes: Looks scared, avoiding eye contact. As you can see, these three options are all pretty much the same, so I just picked the first to move on with the dialogue. And then... the least surprising thing of all happens.  Ah yes, in that detention centre where families of half of Japan are being kept as blackmail.  Well, this makes no sense. Either you want her alive or you don't. Which one is it? I mean if it's not a problem to get rid of her, right here, then why are you taking her with you? Ok, well, exactly what I said. Why are you taking her with you and risking that she causes further problems? All right, I'll shut up for a few seconds now, sorry! In the car...     And we do indeed arrive soon, to a corner building.   Ririko is taken again into an office, and...       Then, Goto's mobile phone rings.   Goto is having his own conversation with someone on his mobile phone. He does.  He does.   There is a sound of footsteps outside the office... ...and then the door opens.          Ryou-san? But then... who was the guy killed by Kusanagi last time?    Then he turns to Ririko...  Oh, hey, a dragon tattoo on the forehead! The other guy has his hair over the forehead so we could not see if had a tattoo or not! He pulls the trigger, but is out of bullets.  And he just hits her on the head, rendering her unconsious.   This seems to be happening quite a lot to Ririko lately... Also, he sets the building on fire.  Meanwhile, back in the burning building, a few minutes later...         Moments later, outside, with the sound of sirens approaching...   Like I said, this last chapter is positively action packed compared to the previous interminable one. So the big question is now, who the heck was the guy that Kusanagi killed? And... why should we care, when all of this plot is being introduced now in the last five minutes in a ridiculously haphazard way through constant info dumps! It should have been possible to have Ririko discover at least some of this through her own efforts over the course of the game... but instead, here we are with the criminals she's after calmly explaining everything to her. Oh well. Next time: Even MORE new plot elements being introduced into the story, of course, via huge info dumps! Also, and I am not kidding about this one, the Schrödinger's corpse! Please look forward to it!
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This game is bewildering. I can't keep track of who murdered who and why. RIP Shingi, you were kind of cool i guess.
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Man, I think I kind of can put my finger on there's so much in the home stretch. This is a writer who has zero confidence in the story they're telling, so they feel compelled to keep adding and tacking on elements to make it exciting and dramatic because they don't think the readers would be satisfied with a more low-key affair.
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Somehow, both the game and Ririko are reverting back to being an utterly incoherent mess like it is in Chapter 1. This is kind of sad.
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Keep it together game you're almost there.
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Seraphic Neoman posted:Keep it together game you're almost there. This game has never kept it together and it will most certainly not start now.
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Oh, man. I was playing through the next part of the game to prepare the next update, and I literally fell off my chair. As in, fell off my chair laughing. The game pulls one last cliche out of its bag of cliches, and boy, is it a doozy.... I'm not going to say it directly what it is, but here is the picture of a Japanese character which describes it, so you can look it up if you want:  I don't think anybody here really cares about the plot of this game any more (and anyway, there's only two updates left), so if you do look it up (or you already know what it means) feel free to discuss it here in the thread, I have no issue with that lol. This update is going to be fun, I think.
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Hahahaha we come full circle
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Is it that the ghost girl Ririkko has been seeing is just hallucinations brought on by a brain tumor?
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Akumu posted:Is it that the ghost girl Ririkko has been seeing is just hallucinations brought on by a brain tumor? Haha, not quite, it's even more ridiculous than that! Turns out, Kusanagi was diagnosed with cancer with only a few months to live, and that why he was so reckless about chasing those criminals and all that! By the way, for those who want to know, the character I posted means cancer, as in, the illness.
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*Looks up character* Oh motherfucker I take back what I said about the writing not sucking I tried looking up spoilers but I think this might be the only place talking about the game in English. Maybe at all.
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Taberquol posted:*Looks up character* Oh motherfucker I take back what I said about the writing not sucking Check the spoilers in my post above yours if you want to know.
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Can someone summarize everything at this point? I had a grasp and well, we know what just happened.
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DTaeKim posted:Can someone summarize everything at this point? I had a grasp and well, we know what just happened. I will tell you this: even as a LP-er here I have long since stopped paying attention and trying to make sense of the plot. Honestly, when you think about it, there isn't even that much of a plot, it's just a bunch of random things thrown together somehow. You know, you have this serial arsonist that Ririko's father was investigating decades ago, but then he decided to look him up again. Then there's these guys that are illegaly dumping rubbish, but then it turns out they're all connected to some politicians who want to build a casino on Okinawa. But then this arsonist guy, who I guess is also a drug kingpin and also works with the politicians, shows up and randomly kills half of the crew, oh and also, it seems that Ririko's husband has somehow randomly infiltrated this group, and uh, I guess that's approximately where we are now... Oh, I guess there's that other guy who Kusanagi killed who we thought was Ryou, but actually isn't. Yeah, when laid out like this, it's pretty clear to see that the plot of this game is... not great, to put it mildly. Oh, well, just wait until you see the Schrödinger's corpse in the next update!
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ivantod posted:Oh, well, just wait until you see the Schrödinger's corpse in the next update! oh boy but also oh no
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Looks like I managed to catch up with this LP just in time for the finale.
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So last time, Ririko went to give that bag to someone from the citizens' group, but he turned out to be an impostor, so she got herself kidnapped again, this time by Goto and company. Turned out that Tanaka was behind all that, but then a dude with a tattoo of a dragon on his forehead showed up and killed everybody, except Ririko, because... he ran out of bullets? Therefore she was left knocked out in a burning building, only to regain consciousness just in the nick of time and escape. But the question is, if the guy who killed everybody is Asakura Ryou, then who is the guy who was killed by Kusanagi earlier in the chapter? We will find out in this episode, but once you know the answer, you will be sorry that you ever asked that question, to be honest. Today, in our penultimate real update, we go back to a more conventional format of non-stop talking heads. Oh, and before I forget, one final ridiculous plot development to finish this one, and then to bring us into the grand finale... the Schrödinger's corpse (that we have all been waiting for!). But first, Ririko and Yuuji, leaving the site of the fire!        All right, let's just get our map out again...  Zamami island is marked with the red pin, so basically next door to Okinawa. The islands we discussed previously, and the island Kusanagi went to, are part of the group of islands in the bottom left corner (the ones off the coast of Taiwan). Anyway, let's continue.  Up in her room, while Yuuji is checking out the tape, Ririko calls Uehara's number...   Again, these are real places around Naha, but we'll learn more about them a bit later when Ririko actually goes there! *click*  Some time later...   Let's listen to it, I guess...  quote:
 Well, no idea who the question mark could possibly be. But I just wanted to point something out regarding the name of that bar. We'll be visiting it soon, and you will see the name also spelled like that, "Loreley", on the sign. So I just wanted to explain that this is not a spelling error, although you have probably usually only seen this name spelled as "Lorelei". However, Loreley is actually the correct German spelling. It is true that the letter "Y" isn't used in native German words any more (it was mostly replaced by "I" as part of the spelling reforms in 1901 and onwards). However it still remains in many "imported" foreign words and, more importantly, it was also kept in spellings of the names of some geographical locations in Germany, such as Bayern, and indeed, Loreley. It also remains in historical spellings of some family names, mainly in German-speaking Switzerland, in spots where you would normally expect to see "I" or "Ü" instead. Oh, and also, let me just say right now that there aren't going to be any Karate Kid jokes in this update, so you can relax! Anyway, now that we've cleared that up, let's see what Ririko thinks about this recording! Almost forgot: Koza is one part of Okinawa City.  The distance between Naha and Okinawa city is under 30 km, so it's not unreasonable that at that time of night it could be covered in less than 30 minutes, especially if you go fast.   Ririko calls Asuka...  But wait, didn't Ririko also already read the whole book? I mean she was literally reading it to us a few updates ago? How is she not remembering this?  *click* And well, that's about it for Asuka as far as this game is concerned. We won't be seeing her again, nor anybody else from the detective agency crew. I guess we can add this to the long list of structural problems in this game--characters are just not mentioned again when they are not needed without even a word. At least Asuka got this last phone call; Sakamot and Mayumi were not so lucky. But, anyhow, in the meantime, we have arrived at our destination.  Ririko and Yuuji go inside.    Ririko is doing a really good impression of Snake in this conversation... Also, twinst? This is what we're going with? And this was never even hinted at in that drat book? Really? Ah, well, at least we know who is the guy killed by Kusanagi and also who was the other person on the tape we listened to... Looks like the other twin is the brains of the whole operation.  I mean sure, just tell it to a random guy. Why not. Don't worry, we'll find out shortly what the deal is with this Hatoma island thing. In any case, we're done here. Let's go.   And, well, this time we don't even get to see Ririko tell Yuuji about all of this. We simply move on to the next day, as she arrives to the designated meeting spot at the Chinese garden for her appointment with Uehara.  As mentioned, the meeting is at the waterfall. This whole location is, of course, like most other locations in this game, actually a real place. So, with that in mind, here is a real-life picture of the actual waterfall in question: As for the rest of the story about this park in Naha, well, I don't have to explain it myself since, believe it or not, the person we are meeting is just about to spent a ridiculous amount of time explaining it all to Ririko! Good thing they don't have any important business to discuss! Oh, wait... yes they do! Well, let's finally talk to the elusive Uehara-san.   Hold on, but the game title says that... Oh heck, whatever. Also, I managed to not get myself killed purely by chance, because otherwise I would not have forgiven him quite so easily.  This is of course, all true. Fujian is one of the oldest tea growing places in China, and also is really known for a large amount of its people who immigrated to the surrounding countries, going all the way back to 14th century.    Ririko goes back to the car...    And so, at the airport...   Having gotten rid of Yuuji at least for a little while, Ririko starts to read Kusanagi's letter. quote:To Ririko Takeuchi-sama.    LOL WUT. What even is this? Why does this game constantly just dump the plot on us instead of letting the characters discover it? Please nobody ask me to explain the plot because this is just random nonsense at this point. Oh my god. Just... ugh. Are we honestly expected to sympathise with Ririko and/or Kusanagi? Really? No. Just, no. This is idiotic. You know, let's just continue to the end of this update since I'm overdue on my medication anyway. Ok, where were we. Ririko was about to take a flight to Ishigaki island, near Hatoma.    By the way, the building on the picture above is the actual Ishigaki airport, check it out: In any case, finally we get to Hatoma!    Yuuji goes away. Said person has no portrait, so will be represented by the usual question mark in the dialogue.    Yes. We get to choose what Ririko is thinking. And, when we choose her thoughts, it will also determine the identity of the corpse. I told you, Schrödinger's corpse. Depending on the choice A or B, the identity of the person under the sheet will be different. But, more on that, next time. For now, please excuse me while I go and rage futilely at the incompetence of writing in this game. Rage rage rage Think this game broke me Things fall apart The centre cannot hold
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This game sure does not know how to properly present information to the player. Or how to structure a plot. Like, the twin thing isn't bad in a vaccuum, but it comes entirely out of nowhere here. And the liver cancer...okay, that one's pretty bad anyways. But so is the entirety of the relationship plot in this game, when we saw from day one that their relationsihp was horrendous with or without criminals involved, and now we're meant to believe there's more to it...bit late for that.
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"hey ririko heres some info ps i have liver cancer bye" the most galling part so far (besides the ps got cancer letter) is that i guess ririkos dad just died, offscreen, without any fanfare????
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Yeah, if they wanted to throw in some drama cancer, it would've made more sense to have Ririko's dad be the one with terminal cancer, and thus he decides to go all-out with chasing down the criminal who eluded him back in the day. Having him die randomly because Kusanagi hosed up (despite being previously established as a competent detective?) is just weird. They could've had Kusanagi get involved in all this by investigating his murder and getting caught up in it all if they really wanted to. The twin thing is just dumb because it comes out of left field - sure, Shun didn't have the famous dragon tattoo, but also it was established that most people knew next to nothing about Ryou in the first place. And don't get me started on how much I hate the idea of this corpse being dependent on a choice that has no actual way of affecting events that happened previously...
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Christ the writer really needs to actually read mystery novels and thrillers to understand how that poo poo works
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Taberquol posted:I think the butler did it, might as well go with that given it throws every other loving cliche into the game, might as well grab the kitchen sink too.
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ivantod posted:I told you, Schrödinger's corpse. Depending on the choice A or B, the identity of the person under the sheet will be different. This is NOT how you put choice into your game/visual novel. I feel your pain.
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And there's no game I can even think of where Schrodinger's Corpse would be beneficial, and every game I can think of, it would just weaken the story considerably.
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Mraagvpeine posted:Man, this game really likes throwing all these elements together without making them fit together. This seems a very good description of exactly where we are right now with this game. It really had a lot of potential, but in the last two chapters everything just completely implodes. I mean, it's not like it was a masterpiece before, but it was not nearly this bad. Anyway, there's only two parts still left, because of course I'm going to subject you to seeing both possible endings! Well one is actually relatively short, so it's not that big of a deal--it certainly took some effort for me to be motivated to actually do the last few updates, but I haven't abandoned a game yet and I don't intend to start now. I honestly didn't expect this would turn out to be by far the worst game in this thread at least as far as writing goes--audio/visual technical aspects of this game are certainly pretty good, but what's the point when there is no writing to back it up. Oh well. ivantod fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Aug 5, 2021 |
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