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it doesnt surprise me that mick has a soft spot for ring rats
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I wonder if Amanda thought about the implications of having to work with someone that she publicly poo poo on for 10 weeks? It's not out of the realm of possibility. I'm surprised it was never brought up by the judges either, since they readily acknowledged that even people who lost the season could end up in the WWE eventually
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Aug 27, 2015 04:22
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Mick Foley is so goddamn cool.
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Aug 27, 2015 05:04
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I love Mick Foley but I didn't trust any of my male sociology professors who claimed to be feminists and I sure as poo poo can't give Mick Foley as pass either, no matter how correct he is in this instance.
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Aug 27, 2015 08:27
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Jerusalem posted:One thing that made me laugh over the last 2-3 weeks was the frequent references by the judges that ZZ was potentially attempting to manipulate the people to like him like this was a bad thing. Isn't that EXACTLY what a wrestler should do? "Oh no, this guy is good at convincing people to like and support him! There's no place for that in wrestling!" I loved Miz going after him for minoring in psychology or something at school. As if ZZ is some evil mastermind, pulling everyone's strings
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Aug 27, 2015 15:40
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Dead Snoopy posted:I love Mick Foley but I didn't trust any of my male sociology professors who claimed to be feminists and I sure as poo poo can't give Mick Foley as pass either, no matter how correct he is in this instance. Isn't this actually an extremely damaging attitude to have? Y'know what? I'm just gonna turn left myself here. Nevermind.
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Aug 27, 2015 17:22
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I'm just not sure what Foley would need a "pass" for in this circumstance. The patriarchy?
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Aug 27, 2015 18:32
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Mick Foley gets a pass because of the obvious hypocrisy, gender issue aside. The WWE resents its audience for its unwillingness to participate in the narrative they'd prefer to shape or the outcome they desire to see transpire. Thus the mean spirited attacks on people who are thriving despite the poorly conceived set of checks and balances. Yes, ZZ & Sarah Lee and to a degree Amanda are horrible but they put them into the competition and then came across the realization that the fan based aspect of the system didn't reward the participants for their athletic abilities and skill sets the way the WWE intended. This is even in spite of them being able to shape the narrative w/ the video packages for the week in review. So what do they do? Go wild on the comments about the participants be it about their motivations for being in the contest, their work ethic, and everything else that may debunk the outcome. Imagine having an employee of the month contest that is decided purely by the employees with $250,000 on the line and then the employees choose someone who is popular for whatever reasons but pure clown-shoes as a worker. The WWE just did this - twice in one shot. So instead of just letting this embarrassing fiasco disappear like an elevator fart over time, they devote an extra hour to pointing out that one woman is a bland, barely skilled,potential slut only loved by the COO's small children while another failed participant is a lazy opportunist coasting on a platform others gave him. As an entertainment company which has traditionally prided itself on shaping the narrative of its presentation for profit, this is an outright failure, on par with other failures like The Gobbledygooker' (failed mascot), 'The Brawl For All' (failed special attraction) and literally giving the audience member a $1 million dollar bribe/reward. This is some poo poo that should be forgotten about quickly and swept under the carpet - almost like the LAST outcome of Tough Enough - though the difference is that prior incarnation was at least wildly entertaining for weeks on end. This is a company who year after year wants to depict its fan base as being the be all an end all of democracy but if they reject the story's narrative - be it booing the Royal Rumble, seizing fan's signs or voting for an undeserving person in a democratic contest - then the company and sometimes the entertainers turn on the fans themselves. This time, the WWE turned on the participants of a poor Darwinian experiment they sponsored in an effort to redeem their poor decision making. I never really want to see any of them again - aside from Josh, who, I confess, went through the process and became more likable and lost weight - but let's not blame the winners for the failure of the contest's guidelines. Let's not publicly ridicule them while giving them A QUARTER OF A loving MILLION DOLLARS APIECE as if that's the last option to squeeze some value of entertainment out of this albatross of a contest. Just take your loving lumps, shut up and move forward. Isn't that what the coaches teach the trainees after all?
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Aug 27, 2015 19:12
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Dead Snoopy posted:Mick Foley gets a pass because of the obvious hypocrisy, gender issue aside. Ok, but what does Mick Foley have to do with this?
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Aug 27, 2015 19:16
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The closest reality show thing I can think of that compares to ZZ on Tough Enough is that one season of X Factor UK that featured Wagner. He was awful but likeable, the crowd voted him through every time. The judges generally disliked him because he was an awful singer, but they didn't go out of their way to bury and insult him every week. They just had some funny videos of him being a goofball and let him do his schtick. Eventually he got voted off but it wasn't cause of some smear campaign by the X Factor producers.
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Aug 27, 2015 19:18
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What does any of that have to do with Mick Foley's interpretation of feminism?
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Aug 27, 2015 19:22
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I really hope that was copied from another forum Snoopy.
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Aug 27, 2015 19:27
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I'm willing to bet the "evidence" about Sara the guy was telling Foley about was that stupid creepy "hot sex with multiple men" Reddit post that got downvoted so much the guy deleted his account and was all speculation based on a few pics from her Instagram.
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Aug 28, 2015 05:53
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sticklefifer posted:I'm willing to bet the "evidence" about Sara the guy was telling Foley about was that stupid creepy "hot sex with multiple men" Reddit post that got downvoted so much the guy deleted his account and was all speculation based on a few pics from her Instagram. Every time I think about the phrase "hot sex" it makes me laugh.
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Aug 28, 2015 10:25
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ShakeZula posted:Tell that to Nikki, whose sub-finisher these days is "stiff forearm to the face." Or Tamina legit kicking women in the face. I'm saying it was some time ago. Back when Alicia Fox was given the move, in the Kelly Kelly days. This is WWE and things change all the time. triplexpac posted:The closest reality show thing I can think of that compares to ZZ on Tough Enough is that one season of X Factor UK that featured Wagner. He was awful but likeable, the crowd voted him through every time. The judges generally disliked him because he was an awful singer, but they didn't go out of their way to bury and insult him every week. They just had some funny videos of him being a goofball and let him do his schtick. X Factor manipulated that well. A couple of the judges did poo poo on Wagner, but it was designed to create sympathy so people would vote for him. Once the producers decided it was time, Wagner 'won over' the judges, who made comments like 'you know what Wagner? That was ok' to rapturous audience applause. People stop voting then. They've proved their point. What we saw on Tough Enough was old fashioned WWE stubborness.
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Aug 28, 2015 12:19
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Didn't X-Factor eventually give up and just secretly autotune people they liked and secretly auto-detune people they didn't like?
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Aug 28, 2015 12:41
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X-Factor, at least the UK version, is so tightly controlled it may as well be scripted. They were caught using live voice processing at one audition session and it goes without saying that everything the judges say and everybody they pick to keep or send home is explicitly decided by the producers. That was the whole fiasco last year (or maybe the year before, I forget), where Cheryl Cole accidentally sent the wrong person away and they re-shot it so she was more indecisive and swapped some people around instead. Not that The Voice, Big Brother, or any other reality show is any different.
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Aug 28, 2015 12:56
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Yea I think it was discovered one of the uk shows Pop idol or something was actually rigging the call in vote results despite people paying hard earned cash to phone in. I do think the whole Sara Lee thing put me off a few wrestlers I actually liked Billy Gunn, Lita & BookaT but they came across like right elitist cunts. The girl won the show and all they were doing was slagging her off
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Aug 28, 2015 15:09
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Anyone ever look at Josh's website? He sells online personal training: http://www.phenomsoup.bigcartel.com/ His words are like poetry quote:After high request I've create thy maidens a plan of their own..
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Aug 29, 2015 15:57
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bumping this thread because I'm surprised that nobody started one for BREAKING GROUND - it probably is the sane spiritual sequel to TE we deserve after sitting through all this crap. Plus, we get to poo poo on contest winning ZZ after hiring him despite losing the competition.
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Nov 25, 2015 09:01
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Uhhhh I'd appreciate no one badmouthing ZZ please. He has nothing but love in his heart for all his fans
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Nov 25, 2015 15:05
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It's weird that Sara Lee is barely in it, but they've at least been giving some time to Josh and now ZZ.
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Nov 25, 2015 15:53
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They likely feel Josh has some potential, ZZ can be shat on, Amanda's doing Total Divas and they're waiting for Sara's deal to run out so they can ditch her because the gently caress is she ever going to do.
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Nov 25, 2015 16:02
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Yeah, it's more or less because they didn't want her to win, and she did. They did want Josh to win though, so he gets airtime, and they know people like ZZ so they show him consistently failing just to prove themselves right.
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Endless Mike posted:It's weird that Sara Lee is barely in it, but they've at least been giving some time to Josh and now ZZ. I need to follow up on Sara Lee as that's pretty interesting. Maybe she trains with Norman Smiley (this isn't me making a joke.) He kind of gets the special projects. This is the cast picture:  Devin isn't pictured but Itami is which is cool as we might see his kids again. 
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