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I'm gonna chalk up the lack of force choke deaths from Vader to the fact that this is a Disney cartoon. If this was on any other network, there would've been at least 2 or 3 imperials dead by Vader's hand by the end of the episode.
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Jun 21, 2015 10:40
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Gonz posted:I'm gonna chalk up the lack of force choke deaths from Vader to the fact that this is a Disney cartoon. If this was on any other network, there would've been at least 2 or 3 imperials dead by Vader's hand by the end of the episode. Our Heroes are killing Stormtroopers left and right, I don't think Disney is the reason. I rather think they try to make Vader less of an psychotic murderer who kills more of his own people than the rebels and more of a ruthless, calculating villain, who is also constantly fighting for his place at the side of Palpatine/having to get back in Palpatines good graces/collects power to challenge Palpatine (post Yarvin).
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Decius posted:Our Heroes are killing Stormtroopers left and right, I don't think Disney is the reason. I rather think they try to make Vader less of an psychotic murderer who kills more of his own people than the rebels and more of a ruthless, calculating villain, who is also constantly fighting for his place at the side of Palpatine/having to get back in Palpatines good graces/collects power to challenge Palpatine (post Yarvin). Yeah, the sad thing is that this show is much better written than most of the actual movies. That said: Good job, show, you are great, please keep making more show.
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Jun 21, 2015 16:08
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It seems that Vader is completely detached from his own identity and past as Anakin Skywalker. Like, he doesn't call Ahsoka his apprentice, he calls her Anakin's apprentice. It's just kinda interesting. Maybe that detachment is the only way he can live with what he does and who he is.
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Jun 21, 2015 16:14
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Well, early in Empire he calls Luke "The son of Skywalker" while talking to the Emperor, so its just either something he does to distance himself from his past and/or show Palps that no, this skeleton from his closet totally isn't bothering him.
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Jun 21, 2015 16:43
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Kesper North posted:Yeah, the sad thing is that this show is much better written than most of the actual movies. He does that in the films too, it makes sense that he wants to separate himself from his former life, Anakin is essentially dead anyway. They did a really good job of making Vader seem scary, which is not something I have really felt since the original films. Goddamn this hiatus is stupid.
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Jun 21, 2015 18:53
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Hakkesshu posted:They did a really good job of making Vader seem scary, which is not something I have really felt since the original films. Probably because none of the villains in the prequels were worth a drat.
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Jun 21, 2015 18:59
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His helmet is distorted to look perpetually evil.
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Jun 21, 2015 19:00
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They proportioned his helmet similar to how it was in the original Ralph McQuarrie art, just like a lot of other things. The AT-ATs from the Season 2 trailer were based on his original concepts too.
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Jun 21, 2015 19:06
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Ooooh. That was good. ^^^Lando's droid (was that Nathan Fillion?)'s design was based on the original C3P0 design by McQuarrie too (Chopper is based on his R2). 
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Jun 21, 2015 19:20
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I love how much and well this is picking up; the show is everything I wanted Clone Wars to be.
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Jun 21, 2015 19:39
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I caught this show for the first time randomly last night while randomly channel surfing. That was the Vader that scared the crap out of me as a kid. That was actually James Earl Jones, right? Sounded like Billy Dee Williams as Lando, as well. I look forward to him hunting down and destroying the three Jedi and any others they encounter. Or are they sticking with the stupid book concept that Luke was the last Jedi...except for the seeming unending stream of Jedi coming out of the woodwork post-ROTJ? Part of what made Vader's lore great was the knowledge that he and the Emperor had personally destroyed the entire Order and that his own children were literally the last hope to defeat the Empire.
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Jun 21, 2015 21:12
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All the old EU was dumped, it's unclear if Kanan will be killed. I'm guessing yes. I'm not sure you could consider Ezra a Jedi yet. Ahsoka also expressly left the order, so I'm not sure whether she counts or not either.
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Waffleman_ posted:It seems that Vader is completely detached from his own identity and past as Anakin Skywalker. Like, he doesn't call Ahsoka his apprentice, he calls her Anakin's apprentice. It's just kinda interesting. Maybe that detachment is the only way he can live with what he does and who he is. http://www.starwars.com/news/interview-dave-filoni-on-star-wars-rebels-part-3 quote:StarWars.com: When I was watching Vader in the last episode, I thought about how you really see a different version of him in each Star Wars movie. Do you have an idea of where Vader is at mentally during Rebels? One thing that strikes me is his description of how Vader reacts to discovering that Luke is alive. It is incredibly consistent with how the new Marvel comics portrayed that exact moment. It makes me wonder if all of these writers are getting together to discuss this in advance. Spoilers for Darth Vader Issue #6: http://imgur.com/a/c0vbq VirtualStranger fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Well, early in Empire he calls Luke "The son of Skywalker" while talking to the Emperor, so its just either something he does to distance himself from his past and/or show Palps that no, this skeleton from his closet totally isn't bothering him. Actually, I believe it was the Emperor who calls him that during that scene. Derek Dominoe posted:I caught this show for the first time randomly last night while randomly channel surfing. That was the Vader that scared the crap out of me as a kid. That was actually James Earl Jones, right? Sounded like Billy Dee Williams as Lando, as well. Now that the old canon has been wiped, the only Jedi that have been shown to survive Order 66 so far are Obi-wan, Yoda, Ahsoka, and Kanan. VirtualStranger fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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Jun 21, 2015 22:00
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VirtualStranger posted:It makes me wonder if all of these writers are getting together to discuss this in advance. They definitely are, if not all the individual writers, than at least their editors. The big difference between the old EU and what's being done now is that there's a central story committee overseeing everything and attempting to maintain consistency. That's why they're able to say that everything that comes out is canon now.
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VirtualStranger posted:Now that the old canon has been wiped, the only Jedi that have been shown to survive Order 66 so far are Obi-wan, Yoda, Ahsoka, and Kanan. And given how easily Yoda hid on Dagobah, its pretty easy to say that Ahsoka and Kanan could be alive at the same time as the OT. They're just off doing their own thing in whatever corner of the galaxy they end up in.
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Diabolik900 posted:They definitely are, if not all the individual writers, than at least their editors. The big difference between the old EU and what's being done now is that there's a central story committee overseeing everything and attempting to maintain consistency. That's why they're able to say that everything that comes out is canon now. That was the line for the old stuff too, at one point. Lucas approves every EU book, etc etc.
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WarLocke posted:That was the line for the old stuff too, at one point. Lucas approves every EU book, etc etc. Yes, because that is a very exacting standard to uphold.
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Jun 21, 2015 23:28
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WarLocke posted:Mom and Dad are not proud of that title. I saw the first season and a half or so and it was aimed at a much younger audience, or at least dumbed way down, and the quality of bargain basement CG shows like this has improved a whole hell of a lot since then. The spoilers posted itt told me all I needed to know about how The Clone Wars went. This is just so much better of a show it's night and day. Shame about the psycho scheduling, but that's Disney for you.
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Kithkar posted:Yes, because that is a very exacting standard to uphold. Yeah exactly, one guy who clearly had a loose editorial style on the books, to put it kindly, compared to a whole group of editors explicitly checking in with every piece of star wars media to make sure it fits. I hate having the EU rendered non-canon, and that I'll never get my dream of a way out there adaptation of the Yuuzhan Vong/New Jedi Order arc as the next trilogy, but at least we are getting some sensical stuff filling in the various gaps of time, and the new Marvel comics have been rad, especially Vader. Waffleman_ posted:It seems that Vader is completely detached from his own identity and past as Anakin Skywalker. Like, he doesn't call Ahsoka his apprentice, he calls her Anakin's apprentice. It's just kinda interesting. Maybe that detachment is the only way he can live with what he does and who he is. Yeah, that's something that's been fairly consistent all the way back to the original trilogy. I'm fairly sure you can count the number of times Vader calls himself Anakin in the original trilogy on one hand. Vader really does have a ton of depth that can be explored, I'm hopeful that we'll get some really good stuff in Rebels and the comics. Well, more really good stuff I guess I should say. Also, Ahsoka fighting Vader is not going to end well for her, at least in the long term. She'll probably get a minor win early and escape, but I predict something like her slashing off one of Vader's hands or arms while he lands a finishing blow on her. Have the rebel crew see it and yell out nooo and run away to reference a New Hope, maybe show her body remaining there to make it clear that Jedi fading away Obi-Wan style is something that only happens with crazy Qui-Gon training, and there's your season 2 or 3 finale. I mean that's all cliche as hell, and I'm hopeful they can come up with something better, but I don't have high hopes.
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NowonSA posted:Yeah exactly, one guy who clearly had a loose editorial style on the books, to put it kindly, compared to a whole group of editors explicitly checking in with every piece of star wars media to make sure it fits. I hate having the EU rendered non-canon, and that I'll never get my dream of a way out there adaptation of the Yuuzhan Vong/New Jedi Order arc as the next trilogy, but at least we are getting some sensical stuff filling in the various gaps of time, and the new Marvel comics have been rad, especially Vader. This is what I know of the EU:  Based upon that I think it's best left in the dustbin of history along with the prequels.
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We're allowed to keep Knights of the Old Republic canon, right? Because I'm theorizing that Chopper is actually HK-47 trapped in an astromech body.
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Jun 22, 2015 00:29
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does this mean my precious republic commando novels arent CANON ANYMORE
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Funky Valentine posted:We're allowed to keep Knights of the Old Republic canon, right? Because I'm theorizing that Chopper is actually HK-47 trapped in an astromech body. Yes and Chopper needs a translator unit asap. 
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IRQ posted:I saw the first season and a half or so and it was aimed at a much younger audience, or at least dumbed way down, and the quality of bargain basement CG shows like this has improved a whole hell of a lot since then. The spoilers posted itt told me all I needed to know about how The Clone Wars went. This is just so much better of a show it's night and day. You didn't get to the good parts of the show. When compared to the last three seasons of Clone Wars, Season 1 of Rebels feels far more child-oriented and the animation is a slight step down, too. One of the reasons I'm excited for Season 2 is that from what we've seen so far, it looks like this show is about to return to the high quality of the last half of Clone Wars. VirtualStranger fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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VirtualStranger posted:Now that the old canon has been wiped, the only Jedi that have been shown to survive Order 66 so far are Obi-wan, Yoda, Ahsoka, and Kanan. Quinlan Vos and Ventress are also known to have survived as they're getting a novel or something later this year. I don't mind the idea that there are more Jedi out there, because it's a huge loving galaxy. Makes sense that at least a handful would be lucky/crafty enough to survive, I don't think that makes Vader/Palpatine any less threatening. I know everyone shits on the EU but it's not loving going anywhere despite being wiped, Rebels is in spirit just as much of an EU product as like the Dark Horse Comics - it's much higher profile, but it's still just glorified fan fiction starring characters that will never appear in the actual films. The fact that there is a lot of bad EU poo poo doesn't suddenly make it impossible to tell good stories outside the confines of the films, the EU is only bad until you remember that one book/game/comic you really like.
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IRQ posted:Based upon that I think it's best left in the dustbin of history along with the prequels. I thought the prequels are explicitly part of the 'new canon'
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Hakkesshu posted:I don't mind the idea that there are more Jedi out there, because it's a huge loving galaxy. Makes sense that at least a handful would be lucky/crafty enough to survive Then again Vader would probably avoid Tatooine like the devil, so maybe there was some sense there.
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Hakkesshu posted:I don't mind the idea that there are more Jedi out there, because it's a huge loving galaxy. Makes sense that at least a handful would be lucky/crafty enough to survive, I don't think that makes Vader/Palpatine any less threatening. I know everyone shits on the EU but it's not loving going anywhere despite being wiped, Rebels is in spirit just as much of an EU product as like the Dark Horse Comics - it's much higher profile, but it's still just glorified fan fiction starring characters that will never appear in the actual films. The fact that there is a lot of bad EU poo poo doesn't suddenly make it impossible to tell good stories outside the confines of the films, the EU is only bad until you remember that one book/game/comic you really like. Yeah, I'll certainly admit that when you go far enough down the rabbit hole the EU gets pretty bad. Even the Thrawn Trilogy had clone rules/use that didn't really make sense, magic cloaking tech and creatures that would create a bubble where the force doesn't work. It was written well enough to where none of this bothered me, but in a vacuum it all seems goofy as hell. But I agree that people who read or followed the EU have bits and pieces that they remember fondly. I kept hearing that the plan was to involve some EU elements that make sense in the future, so maybe those good bits and pieces will get reheated and used again. Funky Valentine posted:Some weren't even that, Yoda just hung out at his house and no one gave a poo poo and of course we have the perfect disguise of "Ben" Kenobi. I feel like at some point we'll get a Kenobi book or comic that delves into how he stayed safe and what exactly he did for 20+ years, besides training for B.S. force afterlife powers that aren't too useful while the entire galaxy went to poo poo. The low hanging fruit would be him meeting Luke or saving him from danger when he was still a little kid, with Luke either not knowing it or being too young to remember. The most interesting part of something like that would be the beginning though, I think, with him paranoid about being discovered and reflecting on his failure. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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I had no idea Jones was actually voicing Vader, the whole time I was thinking, "okay, this is a C maybe C+ Vader impersonation"
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Frackie Robinson posted:I had no idea Jones was actually voicing Vader, the whole time I was thinking, "okay, this is a C maybe C+ Vader impersonation" I am still surprised people don't recognize the original Vader voice. He honestly does not even sound that different to me.
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NowonSA posted:I feel like at some point we'll get a Kenobi book or comic that delves into how he stayed safe and what exactly he did for 20+ years, besides training for B.S. force afterlife powers that aren't too useful while the entire galaxy went to poo poo. The low hanging fruit would be him meeting Luke or saving him from danger when he was still a little kid, with Luke either not knowing it or being too young to remember. The most interesting part of something like that would be the beginning though, I think, with him paranoid about being discovered and reflecting on his failure. It's pretty impressive that Obi-Wan managed to last incognito as long as he did, considering that for decadew, he kept his own last name, had Luke keep his and lived in the next cave over, and just wore nothing but his distinctive ceremonial robes.
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Waffleman_ posted:Well, again, Vader's going nowhere near Tatooine. Not only are there too many memories, but there's sand. In the comics, the Emperor sends Vader on an errand to Tatooine to negotiate a deal with Jabba. Granted, this happens after Obi-wan is already dead, so I guess it doesn't really count.
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Waffleman_ posted:Well, again, Vader's going nowhere near Tatooine. Not only are there too many memories, but there's sand. "You know I should really go and check up on Ol' Watto and my old stomping grounds at Mos Espa. Might want to skip the Tusken camps...don't think they'll exactly be rolling out the welcome mat..."
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Everyones favourite mini Jedi has been having Pod Racing flashbacks again.... hahah "i'm not the driver you're looking for" http://news.sky.com/story/1506139/star-wars-anakin-in-100mph-police-chase
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VirtualStranger posted:In the comics, the Emperor sends Vader on an errand to Tatooine to negotiate a deal with Jabba. Granted, this happens after Obi-wan is already dead, so I guess it doesn't really count. Is half the comic Darth kicking himself for not checking Tatooine first for Obi-Wan because it literally is the first place he should have looked?
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