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In the red corner, he's seen your future and - sorry to say - it doesn't end well for you, it's OmegaGoo as Seth Cremmul! In the blue corner, strong, silent, and carrying enough heavy ordinance to level Fort Knox, it's Kai Tave as Ottavia Six!  This battle will use Special Actions. Commentary/heckling welcome!   Which will find their foe first: The cyborg's sharpshooting sights, or the soothsayer's psychic skill?
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Beat 1 Seth Cremmul 20 Life Discard 1: Wyrding | Grasp Discard 2: Fool's | Dash Finisher: Reading Fate Ottavia Six 20 Life Discard 1: Demolition | Dash Discard 2: Snapback | Grasp Finisher: Double Barrel   -- Seth predicts Drive. -- Ottavia Target Locks: 4        -- Seth has Priority 1. Ottavia has Priority 0. Seth is Active Player!  -- Seth retreats 2 spaces.    -- Vanishing Burst has Range 3~4. Ottavia is at Range 4. Seth hits! -- Whh...baff! After Soak 1, Ottavia takes 2 damage! -- Ottavia's Stun Guard 3 holds.   -- Ottavia misses due to Vanishing's effect. Wol fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jul 14, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 09:07
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It's too late in the evening for me to think, I'll sleep on it and get a PM in then, but this seems like as good a time as any to get some clarification regarding how the styles that add +X~Y to the range of a base work. So if I use a style that adds +2~3 and use it on a base that has range 1, does the overall range of the attack become 3 (1 minimum range for the base, an additional 2 minimum range makes 3, and a max range of 3, so 3 either way) or does it become 3~4 (the base range of 1 is added to both the minimum and maximum range the style brings into play)? I have a feeling this is something I'm going to need to know to play Ottavia well.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:45
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yeah best sleep on it :v the answer is that range 1 is the same thing as range 1~1, for the purposes of adding range modifiers so you end up with 1~1 + 2~3 = 3~4
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Jun 27, 2015 10:12
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Tollymain posted:yeah best sleep on it :v Perfect, thanks.
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Jun 27, 2015 10:50
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Ottavia is my favorite character for no-holds-barred matchups. She can be absolutely brutal once you realize one important thing: Ottavia is NOT a prediction character. Seth is a prediction character. Lymn is a prediction character. Xentia is a prediction character. Ottavia is a hardcore denial character, like Arec or Lixis. Because here's the thing. Ottavia doesn't actually care much if she gets the Target Lock right. Unlike Lymn/Seth/Xenita/Malandrax, a wrong guess doesn't weaken Ottavia's attack. The Target Lock is purely a tool for covering her rear end. If there's one move that will seriously hurt your chosen pair, you can shut that move out. If there's several dangerous pairs, you can name the worst one and force your opponent to play suboptimally, eeking out the incremental advantage. And with the ability to occasionally create win-win scenarios, Ottavia is usually winning the long game. Ottavia is one of the characters I consider above the curve. Because if you know what you're doing, you can break the RPS mechanic over your knee.
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Jun 27, 2015 17:49
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Gutter Owl posted:
Malandrax laughs at the fact you think there's an RPS mechanic in the game. Not that it's relevant to this match of course. Playing as Seth is going to confuse me, considering that's my name as well. 
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Jun 27, 2015 18:16
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OmegaGoo posted:Malandrax laughs at the fact you think there's an RPS mechanic in the game. Not that it's relevant to this match of course. Didn't I once run a game where you were playing against Seth? At least this will be a little less confusing than that.
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Jun 27, 2015 20:42
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Never back down! It's time to...FIGHT!
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Jun 27, 2015 20:52
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Sefer posted:Didn't I once run a game where you were playing against Seth? At least this will be a little less confusing than that. You did. I was playing Sagas. That was confusing for other reasons.
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Jun 27, 2015 20:57
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The good news for OmegaGoo is that if he doesn't kill me this match, my job will  I don't know how in-depth my analysis can really be here (or rather, how in-depth I want to go before things get started as this looks to be a match where giving away one's thoughts in advance can be dangerous). I'd like to thank Gutter Owl for giving me an inadvertent leg up by pointing out the obvious (to everyone but me) in that Ottavia's gimmick is less about prediction and more about denial. I would, I like to think, have picked up on that in a few beats, but it makes perfect sense now that I think about it. Predicting exact moves is still a bit tricky for me...I've done it to Trasson before but only rarely and only after intense effort...so we'll see how well I do with a character that relies much more strongly upon it. As for Seth, well, his thing seems much more obvious on the surface...predict the base, win a prize. Even by simply guessing at random he has a 20% chance each beat of getting it right, but most beats aren't going to shake out where every one of an opponent's bases are equally plausible choices, so Seth's chances of nailing a prediction are only going to go up as the match goes on. To be honest, while his gimmick looks handy...+2 power and priority each is nothing to sneeze at...it's really his unique base that worries me since as long as it's in his hand it could turn into an automatic hard counter for anything I do so long as he antes correctly. I feel like I'm going to have to do a better job of choosing moves that don't box me into a predictable corner than I did last game, so I apologize in advance if my rate of reply slows down a bit, but I'll be plugging away at it.
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Jun 29, 2015 01:38
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Beat 2 Seth Cremmul 20 Life Discard 1: Vanishing | Burst Discard 2: Wyrding | Grasp Finisher: Reading Fate Ottavia Six 18 Life Discard 1: Cover | Strike Discard 2: Demolition | Dash Finisher: Double Barrel -- Seth predicts Drive. -- Ottavia Target Locks: 4     -- Seth has Priority 9. Ottavia has Priority 2. Seth is Active Player! -- Seth pulls Ottavia 1 space. -- Compelling Dash does not hit. -- Seth advances 3 spaces. -- Seth pulls Ottavia 1 space.  -- Ottavia misses due to Dash's effect. -- Ottavia retreats 1 space. 
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Jun 30, 2015 07:02
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Well I suppose that could have gone worse.
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Jun 30, 2015 07:42
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Kai Tave posted:Well I suppose that could have gone worse. Sorry. With both Demolition and Snapback in your discard pile, the only thing that could have hit me this beat was an Anti-Personnel Drive... which predicting Drive beat out. That beat was mine. Of course, I only dropped 2 damage on you and put you at optimal Ottavia distance, so you know, not my brightest moment.
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Jun 30, 2015 13:54
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Nah, there's nothing to be sorry for, it was a good play. I meant it, that could have gone worse for me. Could have gone better but you can't win'em all. I was aware that Vanishing Burst was a possibility, I even mentioned it as such to WoI, but I was trying to hedge my bets about other possible moves and, well, something's gotta give somewhere. Before the match even started I was thinking "mmmmmaybe I should keep Snapback or Demolition in my starting hand," and I think this illustrates that I probably should have. I need to start curating my opening moves better now that I'm no longer quite as blindly stumblefucking around instead of just going "green and yellow out, done."
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Jun 30, 2015 21:36
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It's almost always correct to start with Anti-Personnel in your discard. Still, builds character!
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Jun 30, 2015 22:01
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Wol posted:It's almost always correct to start with Anti-Personnel in your discard. Still, builds character! Was it Mystic Mongol who beaned me for 6 on beat 1 as Ottavia vs. Tanis? This was, of course, with the pre-Fate starting spaces? But yeah, be happy I didn't open with a 7 for 2 trade...
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Jun 30, 2015 22:11
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I'd have been fine with that. Oh, you mean 7 damage to me. Well that's obviously a different story.
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Jun 30, 2015 22:18
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OmegaGoo posted:Was it Mystic Mongol who beaned me for 6 on beat 1 as Ottavia vs. Tanis? This was, of course, with the pre-Fate starting spaces? Yeah, with pre-Fate starting spaces it was a lot more viable to start with Anti-Personnel (depending on the matchup, of course). I don't even know what matchup you'd want to start with Anti-Personnel with these starting positions, though. Mayyybe against Kaitlyn?
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Jul 1, 2015 06:25
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Ottavia, what target do you lock?
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Jul 1, 2015 22:17
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I technically ante first, and I don't see it in the Beat (beg your pardon if I'm ninjaing you). Ante Drive.
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Jul 1, 2015 22:19
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Oh whoops, thought I already put that up.
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Jul 1, 2015 22:26
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Oh sorry I forgot that ante would work this way rather than just doing it via PM because whoops, we both have important stuff to ante now and things like who antes first matters. I will Target Lock 4.
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Jul 2, 2015 01:24
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Seth, show me the steps to this dance.
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Jul 3, 2015 00:00
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It's just a jump to the left And then a step to the right Put your hands on your hips You bring your knees in tight But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane, But for reals, Pull her 1, advance 3, pull her 1.
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Jul 3, 2015 03:16
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Beat 3 Seth Cremmul 20 Life Discard 1: Compelling | Dash Discard 2: Vanishing | Burst Finisher: Reading Fate Ottavia Six 18 Life Discard 1: Snapback | Shooter Discard 2: Cover | Strike Finisher: Double Barrel -- Seth passes. -- Ottavia Target Locks: 5 -- Seth predicts Drive. -- Ottavia Target Locks: 4    -- Seth has Priority 5. Ottavia has Priority 2. Seth is Active Player! -- Seth advances 1 space. -- Wyrding Drive has Range 1. Ottavia is at Range 1. Seth hits! -- Swock! Ottavia takes 3 damage! -- Ottavia is stunned.  -- Ottavia is stunned. Wol fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 3, 2015 03:41
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The bright side is we seem to be equally bad at predicting the other.
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Jul 3, 2015 04:11
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Kai Tave posted:The bright side is we seem to be equally bad at predicting the other. I didn't actually care what move you were doing. If you called my number, I was screwed. If you didn't, I got to do what I wanted.
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Jul 3, 2015 04:27
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Let me have my victories where I can get them.
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Jul 3, 2015 04:51
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Kai Tave posted:Let me have my victories where I can get them. But I'm not only here to win, I'm here to crush your spirits hopelessly and horrendously. 
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Jul 3, 2015 14:24
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OmegaGoo posted:But I'm not only here to win, I'm here to crush your spirits hopelessly and horrendously. Well it's nice to feel important. What the heck, I'll take it. Probably won't get my move in until some time tomorrow, I've got work, but here are my thoughts on the last beat as sent to WoI and why I wound up playing it like I did. quote:Okay, so the first exchange didn't work out in my favor BUT on the other hand A). he didn't predict my base and B). we're now at range, and also C). he doesn't have Vanishing in hand anymore. So I had it in mind that Dash was on the table (though I was expecting Mimic's instead of Compelling) but I was more concerned about Compelling Drive coming out. The smarter play in retrospect would have been to Snapback Grasp at priority 5 then Target Lock at 9 to try and out-prioritize Drive and deny Dash, but the metagame conceit of Seth's predictive ante is causing me to, probably unwisely, try and make decisions about which of my moves seem more obvious than others and attempting to find a balance between "so good it's obvious" and "actually dumb and bad."
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Jul 4, 2015 06:06
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Kai Tave posted:Well it's nice to feel important. What the heck, I'll take it. You'll find that I assume things that aren't true all the time that turn into excellent reads. Unless I'm playing Malandrax.
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Jul 4, 2015 06:15
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Ottavia, what's your target lock?
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Jul 7, 2015 00:28
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Before that I'm curious, is there any value in Seth declining to ante for some reason I'm not aware of?
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Jul 7, 2015 04:16
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If he knows you can't outspeed/maneuver him without a correct target lock. He could also be messing with you to see what YOU think what HE would want to do. Or he just expects a dash or something that he couldnt out-prioritize anyway... in other words; just cuz
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Jul 7, 2015 04:21
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Ldsity posted:If he knows you can't outspeed/maneuver him without a correct target lock. He could also be messing with you to see what YOU think what HE would want to do. Or he just expects a dash or something that he couldnt out-prioritize anyway... in other words; just cuz Look, I know you play me IRL a bunch, but get out of my head! Kai Tave, I'll be happy to share my thought process post-beat so you are less confused in the future.
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Jul 7, 2015 05:11
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OmegaGoo posted:Look, I know you play me IRL a bunch, but get out of my head! Hey, if you leave the door unlocked, I assume I'm welcome to stay as long as I stay out of the room that's 3rd door on the right when you take the stairs up to the second floor. The front even has a sign sayin 
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Jul 7, 2015 05:36
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Well I'd have assumed that even in the case of something like Seth knowing that he's capable of out-prioritizing you regardless of whether he antes or not you'd still want to try and go for that +2 Power because it's not really like anteing costs you anything if you guess incorrectly, but this is my third game ever so what do I know? Target Lock 5
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Jul 7, 2015 08:18
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Kai Tave posted:Well I'd have assumed that even in the case of something like Seth knowing that he's capable of out-prioritizing you regardless of whether he antes or not you'd still want to try and go for that +2 Power because it's not really like anteing costs you anything if you guess incorrectly, but this is my third game ever so what do I know? The point is to confuse you into messing up your Target Lock. And to just confuse you in general.
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Jul 7, 2015 10:41
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Ante Drive.
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