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Antivehicular posted:See also: Neil Gaiman's Doctor Who episode That episode was smug and saccharin as hell, but the reveal that the TARDIS wanted to be stolen was a genius move.
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I just found out that EL James is riding this cashcow right to her grave and has been writing a sequel trilogy, which is just 50 Shades but told from the point of view of the guy. To the surprise of absolutely no one, her writing has not improved at all. quote:As she tells me she likes her tea weak and black, for a moment I think she’s describing what she likes in a man. quote:Her words travel directly to my dick, passing "Go" on the way. gently caress. This calls for - what did she call them? SHOUTY CAPITALS. quote:Her blazing blue eyes see everything. See me. My soul. She sees the darkness and the monster beneath.
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Dec 16, 2017 13:09
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So... is Cassandra Clare's writing noticeably fanfiction-y? I may have read about half of 50sog but there's no way I hate myself enough to expose myself to her writing
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Dec 16, 2017 13:36
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MorgaineDax posted:I just found out that EL James is riding this cashcow right to her grave and has been writing a sequel trilogy, which is just 50 Shades but told from the point of view of the guy. The funny thing is Stephenie Meyer tried to do the same thing with Twilight but people hated it so much she canceled the book. Although she claimed it was due to hackers stealing a draft or something like that.
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Dec 16, 2017 14:01
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muscles like this! posted:The funny thing is Stephenie Meyer tried to do the same thing with Twilight but people hated it so much she canceled the book. Although she claimed it was due to hackers stealing a draft or something like that. lol read those excerpts though
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Dec 16, 2017 14:06
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muscles like this! posted:The funny thing is Stephenie Meyer tried to do the same thing with Twilight but people hated it so much she canceled the book. Although she claimed it was due to hackers stealing a draft or something like that. Didn't she eventually just loving gender-swap everyone in the series by doing a "find-and-replace", and re-release the books that way? That'll be EL James' next move no doubt.
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Dec 16, 2017 14:12
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quote:An American near Billy wailed that she had excreted everything but her brains. Moments later she said, 'There they go, there they go.' She meant her brains. gotta say i dunno about these search & replace type new editions
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Dec 16, 2017 14:29
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Mr. Sunshine posted:Nah, it's popular because it's about a handsome billionaire who gets so infatuated with a woman that he can't control himself in her presence, showers her with expensive gifts and has awesome sex with her. Like, a lot of sex.
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Dec 16, 2017 14:46
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MorgaineDax posted:I just found out that EL James is riding this cashcow right to her grave and has been writing a sequel trilogy, which is just 50 Shades but told from the point of view of the guy. L, an M, an F A O James, a bloated mewling hack Me, I will not Read these books
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Dec 16, 2017 14:54
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MorgaineDax posted:I just found out that EL James is riding this cashcow right to her grave and has been writing a sequel trilogy, which is just 50 Shades but told from the point of view of the guy. Women's words regularly travel directly to my dick, and I too frequently yell 'Shouty Capitals' when it happens. This is a thing a human being would say, because I am a human being. I am not a lizard. Shouty Capitals.
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I Before E posted:If you enjoyed Slaughterhouse 5, Breakfast Of Champions is the book directly after that and builds on some of the structural conceits in fascinating ways, so I'd recommend reading that one even though Mother Night is also a good read.
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Dec 16, 2017 17:38
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there wolf posted:Something tells me that E. L. James isn't the type to attract/accept betas who will do more than check for typos. Wait, Naomi Novak wrote a bunch of fanfiction? Tell me more.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:14
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Dienes posted:Wait, Naomi Novak wrote a bunch of fanfiction? Tell me more. There's not much to say about her actual works. She's mostly notable for building a system of protection around fanworks by founding the Organization for Transformative Works which runs the author-supporting Archive of Our Own and funds legal cases defending of fanworks. And when I was talking about fanfic writers going legitimate I was really referring to the post-internet, dedicated archives fanfiction culture that Inescapable Duck described earlier. Fanworks can and should be defined more broadly than that, but I was singling out that particular subculture.
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Dec 16, 2017 18:59
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girl pants posted:So... is Cassandra Clare's writing noticeably fanfiction-y? I may have read about half of 50sog but there's no way I hate myself enough to expose myself to her writing Yes. Especially if you read or vaguely knew anyone who was in to Harry Potter and in fandom from like 2002-2006/7. Her main dude in her mortal instruments series is definitely her fanfic Draco. She got kicked off of fanfiction.net for plagiarism because she was ripping off Buffy/Angel.
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Dec 16, 2017 21:46
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Tulalip Tulips posted:Yes. Especially if you read or vaguely knew anyone who was in to Harry Potter and in fandom from like 2002-2006/7. Her main dude in her mortal instruments series is definitely her fanfic Draco. She got kicked off of fanfiction.net for plagiarism because she was ripping off Buffy/Angel. And like a million other things, but mostly it was just handling the callout pretty poorly.
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Dec 16, 2017 22:44
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Tulalip Tulips posted:She got kicked off of fanfiction.net for plagiarism because she was ripping off Buffy/Angel. Wait what HOW?
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FrozenVent posted:Wait what HOW? She was incorporating actual dialogue from the shows in her stories.
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Dec 16, 2017 22:52
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Isn’t that a fairly standard fan fiction practice?
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Dec 16, 2017 23:00
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FrozenVent posted:Isn’t that a fairly standard fan fiction practice? Not at the level she was doing it. It wasn't a catchphrase here and there, it was whole pages.
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O.k. The Cassandra Clare scandal in short: Clare got in trouble for lifting huge chunks from Pamela Dean's The Hidden Land. Someone recognized the text and called her on it, and she grudgingly put in a small, vague disclaimer. But it prompted people to start going through her work looking for other things she'd taken from books, film, and t.v. with little or no credit; that list turned out to be pretty extensive. The whole thing blew up, Clare did a "you don't fire me, I quit" with fanfiction.net and tried to start her own fansite which didn't work. She wrapped up her Draco Vertias opus, and moved onto publishing where the plagiarism accusations came up again but got largely dismissed by anyone outside the fanfic world. The thing is borrowing lines and setups from other popular works was pretty common in that era of fanfiction, as was failing to be thorough with your disclaimers. A lot of people just didn't see it as all that important because no one was making any money and it just didn't seem necessary when it's a big property that everyone knows and loves. Clare was operating in a gray area and ended up getting busted because, not only was she a big name with a very popular work, but she got called out for stealing from a relatively obscure book that was out of print and people couldn't just excuse that the way they could with more popular stuff like Buffy. I think Clare was a bit of a scapegoat on the issue of crediting stuff in fanfiction, but she also managed to land herself an actual writing career based on the popularity of a half-stolen work. I know they cleaned it up for publishing, but I don't care. Clare did something lovely that everyone was doing and still reaped a huge reward for it so gently caress her.
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Cassandra Clare's writing is also stuck in the early -mid 00's fanfic style and she will never grow out of it. She sticks with fantasy genre stuff because that is pretty much her entire frame of reference. It's okay for YA but she's really kind of a boring writer to read if you're not into YA, self insert lead characters, and/or her projected Harry Potter fandom baggage. Just watch the ultra cheesy tv show of her books instead. At this point the only reason I even remember her plagiarism thing is because she was (and maybe still is) a huge internet drama queen and I have always loved dumb internet drama. Tulalip Tulips has a new favorite as of 23:52 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Tulalip Tulips posted:At this point the only reason I even remember her plagiarism thing is because she was (and maybe still is) a huge internet drama queen and I have always loved dumb internet drama. Honestly that whole era of Harry Potter fandom produced some of the most entertaining/horrifying insane bullshit. Sure, there's still bizarre drama, but the like of Thanfiction has not come again. quote:Andrew Blake is an accused scam artist and alleged cult-leader who's been unleashing his intense, often expensive spiritual guidance on unsuspecting fans for over a decade.
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It's funny how Harry Potter/Twilight are these ur-series that have in turn inspired so much fan fiction that some of that fan fiction has become multi-million-dollar franchises as well.
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Brass Key posted:Honestly that whole era of Harry Potter fandom produced some of the most entertaining/horrifying insane bullshit. Sure, there's still bizarre drama, but the like of Thanfiction has not come again. Better or worse than Yud's bloated ode to the very rational idea that the AI gods are coming and we need to give him money to make sure they're nice.
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Rough Lobster posted:It's funny how Harry Potter/Twilight are these ur-series that have in turn inspired so much fan fiction that some of that fan fiction has become multi-million-dollar franchises as well. Honestly I find it loving depressing. There are legit, undiscovered good authors out there who are killing themselves just to get published, but hacks like EL James can write their terrible bullshit fanfiction and make zillions from it.
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Brass Key posted:Honestly that whole era of Harry Potter fandom produced some of the most entertaining/horrifying insane bullshit. Sure, there's still bizarre drama, but the like of Thanfiction has not come again. The rest of it aside, Victoria Bitter is a fantastic alias.
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Brass Key posted:Honestly that whole era of Harry Potter fandom produced some of the most entertaining/horrifying insane bullshit. Sure, there's still bizarre drama, but the like of Thanfiction has not come again. Blake is still around. Think the latest I’d heard was that he raped some people. While pretending to be fictional children. Yeah.
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Tiggum posted:The rest of it aside, Victoria Bitter is a fantastic alias. Is it the joke that that's almost the name of an Australian beer brand, I think?
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I like horror movies, especially Japanese ones. I decided to see if Japanese horror books are just as good. Folks. Japanese horror books are gross. I don’t know how much people want to puke while reading this thread so I’m not sure how many highlights to post but I will say the latest book I read had a heroine who was genetically modified to have super nutritious flesh that rapidly healed. She was a cure for the starvation crisis! She goes on a bit of a rampage though and murders guys by forcing them to eat her butt until they choke to death. That was from the tamest of the books I read. By far. Japanese horror books are gross.
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Junji Ito is the only good Japanese horror author, and really his poo poo revolves around 1 or 2 really disturbing images he wants to build a story around.
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Getsuya posted:She goes on a bit of a rampage though and murders guys by forcing them to eat her butt until they choke to death. Are you sure this book wasn't erotica
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Are you sure it was a book and not a game called Sweet Pool?
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VanSandman posted:Junji Ito is the only good Japanese horror author, and really his poo poo revolves around 1 or 2 really disturbing images he wants to build a story around. That appears to be the gold standard for Japanese horror because every book I’ve read in the genre is a series of over the top grotesque scenes connected less by a ‘plot’ and more by an excuse for those things to happen. Edit: if you’re a fan of 90s anime movies you may recognize the name Darkside Blues, which shares setting and characters as the book with the edible lady. Getsuya has a new favorite as of 17:37 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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The Ring series of books (Ring, Spiral, Loop by Koji Suzuki) are completely insane (I tried to do a let's read but burned out a few years ago) in the best way though. She is not only the anger of the murdered Sadako, but the smallpox virus's rage at being wiped out by modern medicine. She ends the second book by implanting her psychic images onto a movie made about her story, (starring her and playing the original video as a prop), website, the videotape itself, videogame she invades all media to transmit her literal Ring Virus to her victims. The creative types get the urge to replicate her video in their own works to spread her disease, and any woman exposed to it while ovulating gets a mutation of the virus that makes them accelerated-voodoo-pregnant with Sadako herself, but she doesn't look like herself anymore because the body is based on her perception of herself and people have imperfect recall of their own features so she got some bits a bit wrong, and due to being a hermaphrodite, bribes the hero into letting her continue spreading by offering to use his late son's DNA to rebirth him using her body. I mention a virus, she is a literal biological virus that implants itself when the tape is watched. The normal version is ring shaped (with a little nobble like the diamond on a wedding ring), and the mutation is broken where the setting for the ring goes, so it resembles a spermatozoa. It's nuts, but totally internally consistent and hilarious - I laughed so hard reading the later books. BioEnchanted has a new favorite as of 17:55 on Dec 17, 2017 |
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BioEnchanted posted:The Ring series of books (Ring, Spiral, Loop by Koji Suzuki) are completely insane (I tried to do a let's read but burned out a few years ago) in the best way though. She is not only the anger of the murdered Sadako, but the smallpox virus's rage at being wiped out by modern medicine. She ends the second book by implanting her psychic images onto a movie made about her story, (starring her and playing the original video as a prop), website, the videotape itself, videogame she invades all media to transmit her literal Ring Virus to her victims. The creative types get the urge to replicate her video in their own works to spread her disease, and any woman exposed to it while ovulating gets a mutation of the virus that makes them accelerated-voodoo-pregnant with Sadako herself, but she doesn't look like herself anymore because the body is based on her perception of herself and people have imperfect recall of their own features so she got some bits a bit wrong, and due to being a hermaphrodite, bribes the hero into letting her continue spreading by offering to use his late son's DNA to rebirth him using her body. I have so many questions, but I want none of them answered.
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VanSandman posted:Junji Ito is the only good Japanese horror author, and really his poo poo revolves around 1 or 2 really disturbing images he wants to build a story around. That sounds like probably where most horror stories get their start.
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BioEnchanted posted:The Ring series of books (Ring, Spiral, Loop by Koji Suzuki) are completely insane (I tried to do a let's read but burned out a few years ago) in the best way though. She is not only the anger of the murdered Sadako, but the smallpox virus's rage at being wiped out by modern medicine. She ends the second book by implanting her psychic images onto a movie made about her story, (starring her and playing the original video as a prop), website, the videotape itself, videogame she invades all media to transmit her literal Ring Virus to her victims. The creative types get the urge to replicate her video in their own works to spread her disease, and any woman exposed to it while ovulating gets a mutation of the virus that makes them accelerated-voodoo-pregnant with Sadako herself, but she doesn't look like herself anymore because the body is based on her perception of herself and people have imperfect recall of their own features so she got some bits a bit wrong, and due to being a hermaphrodite, bribes the hero into letting her continue spreading by offering to use his late son's DNA to rebirth him using her body. Doesn't it also end up having a simulated reality or something?
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Inescapable Duck posted:Is it the joke that that's almost the name of an Australian beer brand, I think? It's exactly the name of an Australian beer brand (though it's usually referred to as "VB").
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Doesn't it also end up having a simulated reality or something? Yup, in the third book the first two books are revealed to have taken place In a computer simulation that was designed to simulate the big bang, but ended up mirroring reality so perfectly it was used for other purposes, from sociology to history studies, until Sadako was murdered. She was a triple barrelled threat - Ghost, Smallpox Virus and Computer virus all in one, eventually took over all of that reality causing the simulation to fail as all life simply became her and stalled permanently. They imply hope that the tragedy can be prevented: The main character of the third book is actually Ryuji from the first two, in the first two he agreed to work with Sadako after his death (while also being a Rage Ghost due to his own unclean death) because she promised him she would birth him back to life the same was she did for the main character's son, but also in the split second before his death he had somehow realised that he was in a simulation and begged for help in his final moments, and his life split from there. Someone outside the sim sees the message and helps him by printing out the binary code that was Ryuji, translating it into the GTAC dna code and synthesising Ryuji's DNA in the real world - when the main character of the third book, who had a different life than first-two-books Ryuji, grows up into his adult form and learns what happened he determines that his old self was a poo poo, and has himself transplanted back into the simulation - reversing the process, converting the DNA back to binary and get's put straight into Sadako's womb for his rebirth, overwriting the old Reborn Sadako Clone Ryuji with a version who will fight Sadako instead of aiding her. This all really happens and it's amazing.
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That sounds... even nuttier than Parasite Eve. I didn't think that was possible. So it's right up my alley!
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