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I think I'd much prefer a Sunday deadline but that's just me. I'm not the most available person before Sundays on the weekend.
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A sunday deadline would mean I'd be at work on Monday when it hits locally. It's either that or do it tonight I guess.
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Jul 17, 2015 00:01
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Amoeba102 posted:A sunday deadline would mean I'd be at work on Monday when it hits locally. It's either that or do it tonight I guess. I suppose I could do it tonight though my opinions will be rushed because I haven't worked on this game at all all day.
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Jul 17, 2015 00:09
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I'll be at a wedding this weekend, so tonight would be better.
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Jul 17, 2015 00:20
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Don't think many people would like a weekend deadline.
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Jul 17, 2015 00:36
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Why is Squiggly softly discrediting merk by saying he's anti-town but won't say he thinks he's scum?
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Jul 17, 2015 00:49
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to be fair this seems to be a game of just discrediting everyone including this post
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Jul 17, 2015 00:52
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I'm working on several cases as we speak and I will lay my vote when they're all posted out. Just a heads up.
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Jul 17, 2015 00:54
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QuoProQuid posted:Uuuughhh, that ended up taking me longer than I thought. Ok so as I said I went back to see what could be picked up from QPQ. And this comment where she defends Walrus also contains one on Quin. This piqued my interest. Going though Quin on D1 she chases down Gamer and Quid(nose) and sticks her vote on the latter. Gamer is also the player QPQ had been voting and mostly dogging down. A possible build up to a vote? The thing I can't get my head around is her vote on Walrus: Quinquereme posted:Ah, that's how he always is? I thought I had something there It expresses regret at her own weak Quidnose case and then she jumps on on Walrus after having called his comment "Waffly" (all after merk again asked about the quote). She's in the middle of the vote order so that doesn't mean much but she doesn't seem very much personally convinced of Walruses scumminess but she's clearly fine following the pack. Quinquereme posted:Considering Walrus posted this I feel pretty good about merk and wins. This coupled with this: Quinquereme posted:Haha in short sequence is a bit too 'nudge nudge' with two other known scum players. Nothing too solid but laying down a couple of town reads and then half jokingly retracting them, then re-instating them seriously is a bit off. The 2nd quote just bugs me but I've no real reason why other than bias at this point. She then again town reads Gamer based on QPQ's play. Here though she doesn't offer the "i know that he knows that i know that he knows..." logic twists from before. Quinquereme posted:Seeing as he defended one confirmed scum I feel pretty suspicious of Max. And this seems hypocritical or willfully ignoring QPQ's posting since he did the same thing towards Quin herself. The cons in this case is that this is her first game and that makes me sympathetic and she's also posting very tonally honestly in my opinion which kinda messes with my reads. So she doesn't read like scum but I can't shake the feeling that she's tied to the currently known scum.
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Jul 17, 2015 00:56
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Gamerofthegame posted:to be fair this seems to be a game of just discrediting everyone Yeah, but you go all in. You don't dance around it. Squiggly's latest call out post is just so 'softly softly'.
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Jul 17, 2015 00:57
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So wins makes a nice point about how scum may be playing it cool considering they're down 2 (esp with the day-vig dead). This implies that our chattier players are town. I wouldn't judge that so quickly but it does make our lurkier players like Punt, the one he singles suspect. And so Punt's flippancy here is curious:Puntification posted:Ok let me respond with a post of similar quality: lol @ u Since I think wins has a point on this one. Also your interaction with known scum that max had mentioned but never explicitly reposted: Puntification posted:Yes you're quite right, ##unvote ##vote wins After walrus points out how your vote on Wins wasn't counting. Note that Walrus was the only other one voting Wins. Cons to this case? Honestly it's a bit of a lurker vote which kinda bugs me but it's been overall scummy play on Punts part
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Jul 17, 2015 01:13
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Amoeba102 posted:Why is Squiggly softly discrediting merk by saying he's anti-town but won't say he thinks he's scum? I don't think he's scum because I don't believe his scum game would be this obvious. His posts are just super strange
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Jul 17, 2015 01:15
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Play it binary as pro-town / anti-town. Where do you class merk?
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Jul 17, 2015 01:16
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Besides, you can't deny merk was crucial to lynching walrus. So I don't think scum is correct. But he's not exactly being super helpful and content filled posts, which seems out of the ordinary. Ergo, I think he's anti town. I'd vote him for a deadline decision but I'd prefer to save my vote for actual scum
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Jul 17, 2015 01:17
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Squiggly posted:It's like everyone forgot how to play mafia or something We never knew. I went into looking at Squiggly because he's numero uno right now and also because I was curious to see if his QPQ vote was a bus. It doesn't seem like it is. Not a place to put a vote.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:22
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100YrsofAttitude posted:So wins makes a nice point about how scum may be playing it cool considering they're down 2 (esp with the day-vig dead). This implies that our chattier players are town. I wouldn't judge that so quickly but it does make our lurkier players like Punt, the one he singles suspect. And so Punt's flippancy here is curious: On top of that, he posted that pretty much immediately after I posted, implying he's reading the thread without participating. I get that it's a bit of guesswork, but it really was an over the top reaction for that sort of post.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:25
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Squiggly posted:Besides, you can't deny merk was crucial to lynching walrus. So I don't think scum is correct. But he's not exactly being super helpful and content filled posts, which seems out of the ordinary. Ergo, I think he's anti town. I'd vote him for a deadline decision but I'd prefer to save my vote for actual scum "Merk was crucial is voting out scum" "Merk hasn't been super helpful" There's a bit of a disconnect here in your logic. Like you're only saying the first part out of obligation.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:28
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Squiggly posted:merk was crucial to lynching walrus.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:31
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Amoeba102 posted:"Merk was crucial is voting out scum" too slow! drat
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Jul 17, 2015 01:31
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Merk and Squiggly scumteam, let's cuddle merk~
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TLDR: Zzyzx said a lot of 'ninja: what" I re-hash here it turns out. I'll leave it up for posterity but I've italicized the more unique bits.Spoonsy posted:Hey guys how was everyones weekend? Mine was cool. Didn't have to read a hundred or so posts about the same two people bickering. This is a bad post. I would be wary about those who pushed the Keane/Max argument since it offers a lot nice cheap talking points for scum to comment on without fear (assuming Max is town, but even if he's scum they can egg the argument on to fill space). She then goes both ways in regards to Walrus and criticizes gamer, QPQ's target. Spoonsy posted:Nth Doctor: Good catch on the WW posts. I will confess I didn't notice that, especially as he was interested and confused as to how the two posts landed simultaneously with an attempt to laugh it off. Spoonsy's vote on Walrus is pretty suspect though it comes in at the the middle of the pack. First she acknowledges Nth's catch on WW: Nth Doctor posted:This morning I thought about these two posts that hit in the same minute. This looks suspicious enough to me. This post which is the one that makes spoonsy really want to vote Walrus? Seems like a weird choice to me. But the whole "if there's a town flip..." is so loaded, and even at its most innocent reveals indifference and uncertainty to their own vote.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:32
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Amoeba102 posted:"Merk was crucial is voting out scum" Helpful means both times I've asked him to clarify points I've gotten awful responses. How is it helpful to have to draw teeth? He's not making cases, he's laying a vote and then subtly nudging it along while not actually doing any work to promote the idea within. That's how I'm reading his posts I actually responded to him earlier and did he engage? No, but he's clearly following along and willing to post. Is that helpful?
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Jul 17, 2015 01:34
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Those are my cases. I can actually stay awake for awhile because it's too loving hot to sleep. I can vote with comfort Spoons or Punt but I'd rather give more traction to punt for the moment to bring their situation to light and hopefully drag him out to say a bit more since I think we've got a bit more on Spoons up to here. ##vote Puntification
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Jul 17, 2015 01:35
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Squiggly posted:I actually responded to him earlier and did he engage? No, but he's clearly following along and willing to post. Is that helpful? You responded by telling me that you had no scum reads. I'm engaged in voting you.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:44
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Quidnose posted:Merk and Squiggly scumteam, let's cuddle merk~ Again, 0% chance I'm getting lynched today. Please join the Squiggly lynch if you feel that he is scum.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:44
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Squiggly posted:Helpful means both times I've asked him to clarify points I've gotten awful responses. How is it helpful to have to draw teeth? He's not making cases, he's laying a vote and then subtly nudging it along while not actually doing any work to promote the idea within. That's how I'm reading his posts More helpful than making hedging posts and implying rather than saying their opinions.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:47
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merk posted:You responded by telling me that you had no scum reads. I'm engaged in voting you. This is a circular argument you have constructed. I am scum for voting a scum and being willing to vote for another (both of which I provide actual reasons for), and both are dead I have found two scum and have no current scum reads because the two I was willing to vote for are already dead. I am scum for voting scum and in doing so ridding myself of targets for future days. Woe is me in this illogical trap you have constructed around me
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I'm trying to take more of a backseat approach this game. I'm putting out my opinions with a little justification, and then seeing what the thread will do with it. On day 1 it got scum lynched, so I think I'm going to keep playing this way.
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Jul 17, 2015 01:50
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Squiggly posted:This is a circular argument you have constructed. I am scum for voting a scum and being willing to vote for another (both of which I provide actual reasons for), and both are dead He accused you of busing and distancing those scum. Did I miss your rebuttal?
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Jul 17, 2015 01:51
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Amoeba102 posted:More helpful than making hedging posts and implying rather than saying their opinions. I'm not implying, I'm stating very technically with reasons behind it. Why are you interested in lawyering me with semantics arguments?
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Jul 17, 2015 01:51
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merk posted:I'm trying to take more of a backseat approach this game. I'm putting out my opinions with a little justification, and then seeing what the thread will do with it. On day 1 it got scum lynched, so I think I'm going to keep playing this way. That's an odd way to go about it but I guess that it can be difficult to just play given your reputation?
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Jul 17, 2015 01:53
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Squiggly posted:I'm not implying, I'm stating very technically with reasons behind it. Why are you interested in lawyering me with semantics arguments? I'm talking about " He's not making cases, he's laying a vote and then subtly nudging it along while not actually doing any work to promote the idea within." specifically. You state technically what he did, but aren leaving the imagination of the reader to fill in the blanks as to why. Normally if I were to say "This player is laying a vote down and just weakly pushing it I'd say it were a fake case and it was busing. It's the implication. But you've headed off people linking that as your opinion because you say he's not scum. Your distancing yourself from the implications of your accusations.
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Amoeba102 posted:He accused you of busing and distancing those scum. Did I miss your rebuttal? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3728987&perpage=40#post447826146 It's an actual vote on an actual scum. Like it's a downright good post and I don't make many of those D1. How is it bussing? Merk has never explained. You call it bussing because...? Because he used the word without proving a thing or putting forward why my vote on quid wasn't legit
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Squiggly posted:I am scum for voting scum and in doing so ridding myself of targets for future days. Ok, fine, I will get you lynched today with this post. I'm probably done after this post. I don't see any reason why we would lynch anyone other than Squiggly today. His d1 play is the most scummy play out there in light of the two scum flips that we have.  For those not following along, Squiggly is scum because on day 1 he:
1: Gamerofthegame posted:Squint. Squiggly posted:Dis post Not only is this a defense of walrus because it attacks Gamer for voting walrus. Squiggly also provides a viable alternative to the walrus lynch in Gamer with this vote. ----------------------------------------------- 2: Squiggly posted:Had to wait and check the time stamps but I'd vote walruswhiskers too. I'd already voted quoproquid by the time this post was made, which walruswhiskers would know if he was actually following the thread instead of uselessly posting to look busy 3: Squiggly posted:I think it's QuoProQuid. Convenient posting, pushing lines that don't need to be pushed, following the crowd. Someone else read him and tell me I'm crazy Here is a very weak vote on Quid that Squiggly never follows up on. In fact, he jumps off that vote as quickly as possible with a no justification vote that defends his other scum buddy: Squiggly posted:Dis post
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Amoeba102 posted:I'm talking about " He's not making cases, he's laying a vote and then subtly nudging it along while not actually doing any work to promote the idea within." specifically. You state technically what he did, but aren leaving the imagination of the reader to fill in the blanks as to why. Normally if I were to say "This player is laying a vote down and just weakly pushing it I'd say it were a fake case and it was busing. It's the implication. But you've headed off people linking that as your opinion because you say he's not scum. Your distancing yourself from the implications of your accusations. How so? I've stated I think he's anti town and third party and would vote him in a deadline because I think he has his own agenda. How is that not clear? ##vote amoeba for being deliberately obtuse. Vote me already enough with the buildup and weak rear end arguments
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Jul 17, 2015 01:58
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Jul 17, 2015 01:58
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The scum strategy on day 1 was: 1. lightly distance (Squiggly's vote on QuoProQuid); 2. try to save walrus by promoting an alternative candidate and attacking walrus votes (Squiggly voting Gamer; QuoProQuid voting Gamer); and 3. bailing out on walrus towards the end (which they didn't get enough time to do because walrus' claim was unhelpful to them, but Squiggly does set this up for himself).
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I DONT JUMP OFF OF A VOTE ITS NT A REAL VOTE MY ONLY VOTE IS ON QUID STOP BEING SO loving DENSE
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Squiggly posted:I DONT JUMP OFF OF A VOTE ITS NT A REAL VOTE MY ONLY VOTE IS ON QUID STOP BEING SO loving DENSE I'm voting you until you're removed from the game. Now, I'm going to work. Later all.
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Amoeba102 posted:That just linked me to the start of the thread. It's a response to a zzyzx post. I'm phone posting so you're gonna have to look it up yourself
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