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life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



I don't think it's so much that the Senator has been pursuing the wrong man the entire time, although that is a big part of it--it's that he seems to have a chip on his shoulder for Daniel and seems to KNOW that Daniel is innocent because he's started to be pretty overtly slimy in the vein of Trey. He knows Daniel is innocent but for some reason hates him, or at least it's a huge inconvenience to him that he helped put a man behind bars 20 years ago and now he might have been wrong, and we can't have that because he's a senator goddammit and he's up for reelection. He is almost sort of boasting while trying to hide something, which, as wrong an analogy as it probably is, reminds me of Danny Glover in Shooter, whose I'm-Obviously-Guilty-As-gently caress-Of-Everything-But-I-Know-You-Can't-Prove-poo poo attitude toward the end was really telling. I could cut and paste that attitude and it'd fit perfectly on the senator, so I also saw the stroke scene as a kind of comeuppance, and it fits well as a plot device to make us feel even more like Daniel is innocent and the senator knows it. The show is nudging us along to come to that conclusion without ever really intending to directly give it to us, and that's the beauty of Rectify.

Also, it also could have served a dual purpose of letting Michael O'Neill end his run on the show and move on, while also taking his character out of play in a way that works organically with the plot and makes sense.

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life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



GimpChimp posted:

See, as much as he's a highly unethical human being, I'm increasingly sure that Foulkes genuinely thinks Daniel is guilty. I mean he gave a whole speech to Ted Sr. towards the end of the last season that as much as it's politically damaging for him for Daniel to walk free, he truly believes Daniel is responsible for Hanna's murder. That would be a bit late in the series for Foulkes to simply state the opposite of how he really feels, and I don't think he's ever even been seen to so much as countenance the idea that Daniel's not guilty, regardless of who he's dealing with. If anything he really needs other people to see things with the same prejudice he does, which is what started to drive away his mistress at the diner. I do fully agree that he's covering for some sort of compromising personal investment in the case that we still haven't heard about, but it's an emotional one, not a cynical one.

Partly he's just blinded by how alien Daniel's personality and actions are to him: he seems sincerely to have taken stuff like his placing wildflowers on the body as a perversion and even decided that the near-death beating he took constituted "letting a man piss on him". Beyond that, at the risk of it sounding hackneyed I'd presume he's either the father of Hanna or was sexually involved with Hanna (or both, if the show wants to dive deep into Faulkner territory, although I doubt it). Or of course he could have a reason to deny the possibility of guilt of one of the other suspects, like Trey or Chris.

I mean, I'm definitely not going to insinuate that Foulkes was responsible for the murder (though that'd fit right in with TVIV these days), but I certainly do believe he was involved in some way. And I stand by my belief that he knows Daniel is innocent just because of the way he's been acting, and because like I said above, I think he was involved in the murder and thus that's why he knows Daniel is innocent. As far as him saying to Ted Sr. that he really believes Daniel is guilty, I could easily see him saying that to save face in Paulie after the evidence that freed Daniel came to light. I mean, who knows, but to me, he's been on an anti-Daniel slant the entire run of the show, to the point that it seems pretty clear-cut in my mind that it's more that he's got to put SOMEONE behind bars for it, SOMEONE has to be responsible. And in his involvement with pressuring young Daniel into a confession--it just really feels like he knows Daniel didn't do it, but since Daniel was the one that confessed (albeit, as we might surmise, falsely and under duress), and they had and still have no other leads, Daniel is the unfortunate patsy for the senator to save face. They have to have someone to blame, and since Daniel was involved and was a "disturbed youth," then he's the obvious choice as opposed to an upstanding political figure who can't have anyone know he himself was involved.

Just classic pin-it-on-someone-else. Daniel was a "disturbed youth," had no future, and you'll never become a senator when you're connected to a murder yourself, as yet unbeknownst to anyone else.

e: I do think you're onto something with Daniel's mannerisms and awkwardness, which ties in with the whole disturbed young man scenario. The whole time you hear Foulkes and initially the sheriff refer to Daniel as just a really weird dude, you could see him doing something like that, etc. To a senator from the South, with the Bible and church culture down here, anything Daniel did as a boy and anything he does now is bound to be seen as weird, disturbing and off-kilter, even when in reality it's not--it's just a bunch of good ol' boys who are the real problem, who live in the past and have little idea about how the world actually works outside their small-town religious shell. They are looking at Daniel through the lens of their values, and Daniel never fit into their mold. So, he had to be the murderer.

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life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



Surprised no one mentioned the scrunchy the female deputy found in an ammo Box in Trey's garage/storage shed. They obviously wanted the audience to see that, and I'm not so sure it was a red herring--it told me that Trey was heavily involved in Hannah's rape and/or murder and I feel like next season we're going to hear about that seemingly innocuous dirty pink hair scrunchy.

life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



precision posted:

In season 5 of Rectify we learn that Hannah's real killer, all along, had been Kerwin.

*insert Keanu meme here*

Riled Shareef posted:

Totally forgot about the scrunchy. I just wonder if they're making Trey too obvious to be the end-all bad guy. The finale cast some suspicion on the Senator which, I don't know why he'd be down there or why he'd kill Hanna but... hey!

Lycus posted:

I honestly don't think "too obvious" is really a factor. Being that this is a character drama instead of a thriller. There doesn't need to be a twist.

I don't think there's a twist, I think the plot wants us to know the whole thing is pretty straightforward, and they just haven't gotten all the facts yet.

And the senator has had suspicion on him since the first season, maybe not for Hanna's rape and murder but for covering up something. I think what we have here is a classic Good Ol' Boys Club, except way more hosed up.

I don't know about anyone else, but I found the scene where they searched Trey's house to be really chilling...the way he just sat there with his family watching cartoons and laughing while they tore poo poo apart. That's just not something you see in other shows, that kind of scene.

life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



Riled Shareef posted:

How old would the Sheriff have been during the incident? Around the same age as all the kids there? A low level beat cop? I faintly remember a conversation in the show where he talks about showing up at the scene and seeing Daniel over her body or something.

Why does this thread have 3 pages? I get that it's niche but I feel like TVIV should be all over this masterpiece.

This thread has three pages because everyone is still inexplicably arguing, talking poo poo, and poo poo posting in the True Detective thread. Except for anyone from that thread who came here because Rectify is better.

life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



JaddaCaddra posted:

I just finished watching the entire third season a little bit ago. I loved that ending. I'm overjoyed that we're going to have a fourth season, but if it hadn't been renewed that would've been a lovely way to close things off. Despite the fact that we still don't know all of what happened the night Hannah died, there was a big sense of finality. I felt like there was, anyways. Seriously, that ending had me so happy. I was grinning like an idiot when the credits rolled.

The season was tied together so perfectly, too. When it got ten episodes last year I was super happy, but I really feel like six is the magic number when it comes to this series. The only complaint I had about the season was that we didn't get to see Kerwin or Bobby Dean, but at the same time I understand why. Their parts in the story are more or less closed off, for the time being at least. I just wanted to see Kerwin because he's one of my favorite characters, and delivered one of my favorite lines. That scene where he tells Daniel he knows he isn't guilty really hit me. "Because I know you." How could words so simple be so poignant? That's also the scene that sold to me that Daniel is most likely innocent.

All in all, it was a great season. I can't wait for the next one. I might actually live watch this one, haha.

I don't know, I'm still on the fence about his innocence. On one hand he seems so nice and gentle and the evidence we've seen really seems to suggest he's being framed, but on the other hand he's now admitted to it twice and we've seen his dark streak before, like when he put those coffee grounds in Teddy's rear end. In my opinion Teddy got what was coming to him, maybe that was very heavy-handed but he was being a gigantic rear end in a top hat up until the end of season 3. At least Teddy mellowed out a bit and may end up redeemed next season or something. Anyway, yeah. I'm on the fence. I know the show probably won't ever reveal whether or not Daniel is guilty, and maybe even Daniel himself had blocked it out in his mind to the point that the police and Senator made him believe he had done it.

life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



JaddaCaddra posted:

The acts of violence had me questioning it too, but I think both of those can be attributed to his time on death row. Although Daniel was under a lot of stress in both instances (and under the influence of drugs in one), Trey is right, those are not the actions of a normal person. But Daniel isn't a normal person, no one could be after nineteen years in a box. At the same time though, I kinda hope we never find out. When I first started watching I was anxious to know, but the show is so amazing I don't care if it's ever made explicit who killed Hannah. But to me, Kerwin telling Daniel he knew he didn't do it is good enough, because Kerwin knew what it was to be guilty. I think that's the closest thing to an answer we'll get when it comes to the question of if Daniel's innocent of the murder.

Speaking of Teddy, am I the only one who felt kinda bad for him in the pilot? I'm not saying I don't think he's an rear end in a top hat, he definitely is. But when Janet told him to stop calling her "mom" for awhile I felt kinda bad for the guy, I still kinda did even after all of his negative character traits came to light.

I feel bad for him too. Moreso after this last season. They really fleshed him out a lot better this past season, and we get to see him a little more vulnerable--Tawney has left him, and he's stalking her but we also have never seen him hurt her so in some weird way it looks like it's purely out of love. One of my favorite scenes (forget which ep) was when Teddy has Jared drive the truck to where Tawney is staying and they just sit out there and watch her--Teddy gives Jared some weird sex advice, and I could tell Teddy is kind of drunk or high in the scene and he opens up a lot. I thought the scene was really poignant, and it seemed as if Teddy regretted the way he was in high school and hates how much of an rear end in a top hat he's been.

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life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



I know this has been dredged up by me, but does anyone know what's going on with this show? Are we getting a fourth season, or is this show dead in the water? I really miss Rectify

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