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Doctor Nick posted:Not only was it a paint-by-the-numbers superhero flick with every single cinematic cliche you come to expect from these movies, they had really lazy racist stereotypes as the only two non-white people in the movie used solely for comic relief. We walked out when we heard "THIS IS THE WORK OF GYPSIES" coming from Luis. gently caress this movie. I don't understand paying for a movie and walking out before it's over because it offends you. At least watch the entire thing and then hate on it.
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AndyElusive posted:I don't understand paying for a movie and walking out before it's over because it offends you. At least watch the entire thing and then hate on it. Yeah. Some movies (not this one) do huge twists that make early stuff turn out bad.
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Doctor Nick posted:Not only was it a paint-by-the-numbers superhero flick with every single cinematic cliche you come to expect from these movies, they had really lazy racist stereotypes as the only two non-white people in the movie used solely for comic relief. We walked out when we heard "THIS IS THE WORK OF GYPSIES" coming from Luis. gently caress this movie. I know this is a troll, but Luis and Dave both have heroic moments that save lives.
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Jul 19, 2015 22:46
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The gypsies remark, yeah. There's no way that nobody who worked on the movie doesn't realize that gypsy is a pretty serious racial thing in Europe, especially in today's internationally minded cinema. Struck me as odd - wonder if they'll change it for international release. Edit: Has SMG weighed in yet? Because this movie is like 'collective action' the film. He literally swarms the main villain with red ants, the most socialist insect. Oh, and don't forget Scott's robin hood-esque backstory, or that the main thrust is disrupting a (perfectly legal) business deal. Full Battle Rattle fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Full Battle Rattle posted:The gypsies remark, yeah. There's no way that nobody who worked on the movie doesn't realize that gypsy is a pretty serious racial thing in Europe, especially in today's internationally minded cinema. Struck me as odd - wonder if they'll change it for international release. That's literally the entire point of the joke. It's like wondering how nobody who worked on Borat realized that the joke where he thinks the elderly Jewish couple have turned into cockroaches is touching on some pretty serious racial thing in Europe.
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Ants are monarchal, not socialist. Sleeveless posted:That's literally the entire point of the joke. It's like wondering how nobody who worked on Borat realized that the joke where he thinks the elderly Jewish couple have turned into cockroaches is touching on some pretty serious racial thing in Europe. So the joke is that Hispanics are known to be racist against Roma?
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computer parts posted:Ants are monarchal, not socialist. "Queen" is just a name applied to a particular role within a colony dedicated to reproduction. They're not in control.
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computer parts posted:So the joke is that Hispanics are known to be racist against Roma? The guy who made the gypsy joke was the eastern-european hacker character.
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Jul 19, 2015 23:10
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Why did they have the ants organize a mass-wiping of the entire Pym Tech server farm when it was all going to implode into nothingness in half an hour?
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Sleeveless posted:That's literally the entire point of the joke. It's like wondering how nobody who worked on Borat realized that the joke where he thinks the elderly Jewish couple have turned into cockroaches is touching on some pretty serious racial thing in Europe. Put any other racial slur in there and see if the scene is still unoffensive enough to be in this movie.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Marvel isn't out to make back it's budget. They are looking to blow the doors off the bookoffice with every single film. The cinematic version of the overton window has shifted and anything short of a 9 figure opening has got to concern them. Eh, the only Marvel films that ever do that are the Ironman and Avengers movies. Every other movie is pretty modest in its profits.
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nimby posted:Why did they have the ants organize a mass-wiping of the entire Pym Tech server farm when it was all going to implode into nothingness in half an hour? I think the warping (actually shrinking) was just the activation of a ton of Cross particles (or whatever they were) at once, not an intended outcome of the attack. They never indicate at any point they believe the factory will do anything other than explode. It might set it up to be brought back in a future film - that all of it was just shrunk, not destroyed.
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Mixing up Latinos and Eastern Europeans? Who's the real racist now? WHOS THE REAL RACIST NOWWWWWW
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Doctor Nick posted:Not only was it a paint-by-the-numbers superhero flick with every single cinematic cliche you come to expect from these movies, they had really lazy racist stereotypes as the only two non-white people in the movie used solely for comic relief. We walked out when we heard "THIS IS THE WORK OF GYPSIES" coming from Luis. gently caress this movie. I tried to google the source of this hilarious movie review but could not find anything, someone help!
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Hearing that it's not doing particularly well at the box office is weird because I tried seeing it yesterday at 3 and it was sold out, so I had to come back later and see it at 7. I really enjoyed it, though! I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it was, but it was a really fun movie even though Edgar Wright didn't direct it like he was originally going to. The dialogue, cinematography, performances, pacing, etc. were all fantastic. It's probably my top MCU movie aside from Iron Mans 1 & 3 and Thor 2.
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Saw this movie today. It's a ton of fun, young Michael Douglas was a little freaky, Paul Rudd was great and I genuinely did not know about Avengers Facility and Falcon scene so that was an awesome surprise. Also my internet crush Anna Akana is in the movie so that was another great moment for me.
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This film is a sequel to Iron Man 2, at least in the way it handles the general MCU themes of surveillance, superiority, and military-industrial complexity. I was not expecting that!
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Loved this movie. Not "blow your socks off" level like Guardians, but still a fun movie that's a nice change of pace from the usual Marvel stuff. I'm guessing that the quantum sequence where Scott sticks the enlarging disc into the suit regulator is opening up the path to him becoming Giant Man?
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Is it wrong for me to give Wright most of the credit for this movie actually being pretty solid and one of the better MCU movies? Credit to Peyton Reed for being able to somehow put it all together quite well in the end though.
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Sir Kodiak posted:"Queen" is just a name applied to a particular role within a colony dedicated to reproduction. They're not in control. Plus you can't even assume the Queen ant identifies as female, so.
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Bongo Bill posted:This film is a sequel to Iron Man 2, at least in the way it handles the general MCU themes of surveillance, superiority, and military-industrial complexity. I was not expecting that! If only we'd gotten the original idea for iron man 2  Michal Pena has been cool ever since I saw him in My Fellow Americans.
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Fat Whale posted:Is it wrong for me to give Wright most of the credit for this movie actually being pretty solid and one of the better MCU movies? Credit to Peyton Reed for being able to somehow put it all together quite well in the end though. Yes, there's a link floating around somewhere. I think the BSS movie thread had it. Hope was barely in Wright's script, Luis's explanations and flashbacks weren't in the original script. Jan wasn't mentioned at all. And obviously the Avengers warehouse wasn't there either.
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The Microverse stuff was pretty rad and I hope they nail the same vibe in the Dr Strange movie
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Fat Whale posted:Is it wrong for me to give Wright most of the credit for this movie actually being pretty solid and one of the better MCU movies? Credit to Peyton Reed for being able to somehow put it all together quite well in the end though. Dexo posted:Yes, there's a link floating around somewhere. I think the BSS movie thread had it. Would it be this? SaintFu posted:For what it's worth, here's an article from this week about the changes from Wright's version:
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Hmm, pretty surprised that the flashback montages weren't Wright. Definitely figured the "third act climax in a little girl's room" was Wright's idea, really refreshing after the obnoxious samey third act climaxes of MCU films prior.
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A Bug posted:The Microverse stuff was pretty rad and I hope they nail the same vibe in the Dr Strange movie Feige has said that the Quantum Realm is very connected to Dr Strange.
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Dexo posted:Yes, there's a link floating around somewhere. I think the BSS movie thread had it. Luis reads like Adam McKay punchup.
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Ah yes, the racial stereotype that latinos are into white wine and fine art. What a terrible, racist movie.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Luis reads like Adam McKay punchup. I find myself as more of a neo-cubist than a modern impressionist.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:The gypsies remark, yeah. There's no way that nobody who worked on the movie doesn't realize that gypsy is a pretty serious racial thing in Europe, especially in today's internationally minded cinema. Struck me as odd - wonder if they'll change it for international release.
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TheJoker138 posted:Ah yes, the racial stereotype that latinos are into white wine and fine art. What a terrible, racist movie. The joke is that you wouldn't expect a funny non-white man to be interested in these things. But he is!
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Steve2911 posted:The joke is that you wouldn't expect a funny non-white man to be interested in these things. But he is! Yes, you might even say it's undermining the stereotypes that people hold of lower class minorities, and acknowledging via humor that they are not just walking cliches. Basically your argument here seems like if minorities are shown acting like stereotypes that is bad, but also if they are shown not acting like stereotypes, that is bad too.
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TheJoker138 posted:Yes, you might even say it's undermining the stereotypes that people hold of lower class minorities, and acknowledging via humor that they are not just walking cliches. I didn't say it was bad. It wasn't particularly funny though.
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Steve2911 posted:I didn't say it was bad. It wasn't particularly funny though. For me the humor came less from it being unexpected due to him being not-white, and it being unexpected because he's kind of an idiot. It's an old joke, but it was decently executed.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:The gypsies remark, yeah. There's no way that nobody who worked on the movie doesn't realize that gypsy is a pretty serious racial thing in Europe, especially in today's internationally minded cinema. Struck me as odd - wonder if they'll change it for international release. But there's literally magic gypsies in the Marvel universe so the comments isn't out of place. Two of them were even in Age of Ultron.
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Doctor Nick posted:Not only was it a paint-by-the-numbers superhero flick with every single cinematic cliche you come to expect from these movies Definitely agree... because of Wright and Rudd's involvement, I was expecting something that played a little more fast and loose with the material in order to make a better movie, like Gunn did with GotG. Instead, this seemed to be watered down in order to fit into the standard post-Avengers MCU template, like Kevin Feige kept screaming "look and feel" until there was nothing interesting left. Honestly, Iron Man 3 was a better/funnier movie than this was despite having an irrelevant kid sidekick tacked onto it. Sir Kodiak posted:the excellent scenes of Luis telling a story I agree, it's a really funny visual storytelling device... especially when Drunk History did it seven years ago. Nothing in this movie goes beyond watching the trailer (which ruins the only great scene involving the suit) and a few episodes of DH.
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Honesty, why is every marvel villain a total pussy? Ultron sucked balls, Ronan is a fag. Yellow jacket sucked balls, Every marvel villain is as intimidating as a can openner (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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TheJoker138 posted:For me the humor came less from it being unexpected due to him being not-white, and it being unexpected because he's kind of an idiot. It's an old joke, but it was decently executed. Yeah, the humor was in how he somewhat frequently flipped from incompetence and idiocy to competence and sophistication. It was based in how he acted and not his race. Also his waffles looked delicious.
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Thevalencian posted:Honesty, why is every marvel villain a total pussy? I love the MCU movies so, so much. But I agree, they do a terrible jobs with villains for the most part. I was thinking Cross had potential, but that was blown pretty quickly. I hate that villains like Baron Strucker and Ronan were completely wasted, when they have incredibly rich histories in the comics. Although I really think we'll see Red Skull again at some point, but even he seemed inept in a way that didn't mesh with his overall character. Loki, to date, is the only memorable villain that has been really intriguing. Although I'm really holding out hope that we get a little more Ten Rings action, and they revisit The Manadarin and show that Iron Man 3 was a ruse. Then we have to hope that Thanos lives up to the potential they've teed up for him. From the comics, we know he's loving nuts, but a lunatic (literally, a mad Titan) with an Infinity Gauntlet HAS to be memorable, right? Ensign_Ricky posted:Feige has said that the Quantum Realm is very connected to Dr Strange. I missed that interview, but that is the best news I'm going to read all day probably. Although count me among the people who believe there was some semblance or shadow of Wasp in the Quantum Realm. I swore I saw it, but thought I was seeing things.
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I think part of the issue is that the Avengers in the comics didn't have the greatest villains. I think Spiderman had most of the interesting ones, and Fantastic 4 also had some great ones (which the movies somehow keep screwing up)
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