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I remember some rumor from a year ago that Ultron and Ant-Man would be closely related and that the climax to Ultron would retroactively be explained in Ant-Man via Pym time-travelling or something and helping them defeat Ultron secretly, after the fact. I remembered it when I thought "they should just have Wasp still be alive and going around secretly manipulating events from a micro-scale."
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zenintrude posted:I agree, it's a really funny visual storytelling device... especially when Drunk History did it seven years ago. Oh no, the general form of one of the types of jokes they did in those scenes had been done before.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:34
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I'm almost certain the storytelling joke is older than Drunk History. But, a joke doesn't necessarily need to be new to be well executed.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:37
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If they do anything with the Mandarin now it's going to cheapen Iron Man 3 and the character in general. "Fu Manchu Wizard guy" is really not that interesting and they can't really do it on TV since that lady from Daredevil fills that quota.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:38
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Sir Kodiak posted:Oh no, the general form of one of the types of jokes they did in those scenes had been done before. Simpsons did it!
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Jul 20, 2015 17:41
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Steve Yun posted:I think part of the issue is that the Avengers in the comics didn't have the greatest villains. I think Spiderman had most of the interesting ones, and Fantastic 4 also had some great ones (which the movies somehow keep screwing up) My memory of comic books comes entirely from the late 80s era, where The Avengers was essentially the WWF, a whole lot of talking and soap opera poo poo and then like maybe an alien shows up for a page.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:05
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Sir Kodiak posted:Oh no, the general form of one of the types of jokes they did in those scenes had been done before. Point is, it's tired and played out... like the whole MCU style.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:38
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I don't know what Drunk History is so it was pretty funny to me. Weird to suggest some types of humor aren't allowed if some internet video also did it in the last 8 years. For AntMan 2 he should accidentally make his daughter grow to be 10 stories tall and she stomps all over Vegas until he can deliver her ugly stuffed doll to pacify her.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:42
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zenintrude posted:Point is, it's tired and played out... like the whole MCU style. I don't like something != Tired and played out
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Jul 20, 2015 18:49
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Dexo posted:I don't like something != Tired and played out I bet more studios wish they could be tired and played out by getting out movies that are liked by the majority of people who see them and by critics, and manage to always perform well at the box office.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:54
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Hey was it just me or did anyone else think Luis' character was written with Aziz Ansari in mind
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Jul 20, 2015 19:00
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zenintrude posted:Point is, it's tired and played out... like the whole MCU style. Didn't strike me as a style of joke particularly typical of the MCU.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:02
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Dexo posted:I don't like something != Tired and played out Codependent Poster posted:I bet more studios wish they could be tired and played out by getting out movies that are liked by the majority of people who see them and by critics, and manage to always perform well at the box office.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:43
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BrianWilly posted:The reason they didn't like it was because they thought it was tired and played out.  Can this start applying to all comic book threads so I don't have to see your lovely opinions ever again?
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Jul 20, 2015 19:55
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Marvel have always had a villain problem for some reason, and while I liked Cory Stoll, he's really trying to make something work out there but there's nothing for him. There's the implication early on that he's villainous but doesn't really want to be. After he shoots the executive there's a moment where he's looking in the mirror and it's like OK this is interesting. Then he's just overly villainous and Hope says 'It's the particles frying your brain!', which seems to come pretty much out of nowhere. As with Thor 2 and presumably GotG, most of the villain stuff is left on the cutting room floor. Marvel seems to take the approach of Villain=Obstacle, which can only get you so far.
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Jul 20, 2015 19:57
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DrVenkman posted:Then he's just overly villainous and Hope says 'It's the particles frying your brain!', which seems to come pretty much out of nowhere. And forgive me if I'm wrong but how is that even possible? He hadn't actually used the particles on himself until the end. If it was just working closely with the particles that drove him insane, why wasn't every scientist on that project insane by the end of the film?
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Jul 20, 2015 20:06
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DrVenkman posted:Marvel have always had a villain problem for some reason, and while I liked Cory Stoll, he's really trying to make something work out there but there's nothing for him. I feel like Marvel is trying to avoid the criticism that a lot of early comic book movies got, where the villain was always more interesting than the hero. But instead of making the heroes interesting enough to match the villains, they've just intentionally made the villains less good. Steve2911 posted:And forgive me if I'm wrong but how is that even possible? He hadn't actually used the particles on himself until the end. If it was just working closely with the particles that drove him insane, why wasn't every scientist on that project insane by the end of the film? I feel like there was quite a bit cut from this film. Or if not cut, last minute rewrites happening that made weird inconsistencies like this that no one really caught due to the change in leadership on the project.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:09
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Finally, a movie for manlets. For anyone that's seen this: how well does this movie tackle the everyday problems that those men below a height of 6'2" have to deal with?
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Jul 20, 2015 20:09
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Incredible shinking technology that decreases the distance between atoms? Sure I can buy that. But dropping from an apartment floor to a dance nightclub, then falling down another level into another apartment and not hearing a peep out of the dance club above? That's complete bullshit
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Jul 20, 2015 20:20
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Is there an explanation in the comic books why Ant-Man still weighs 180 lbs when he's tiny but Pym's keychain doesn't have the same mass? Also, how does it work when Ant-Man is giant? Is he like 3 stories tall and really weak and light? I'm not complaining about comic book movie realism, just curious. I haven't read any comic books.
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Jul 20, 2015 20:38
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Chernobyl Prize posted:Is there an explanation in the comic books why Ant-Man still weighs 180 lbs when he's tiny but Pym's keychain doesn't have the same mass? Also, how does it work when Ant-Man is giant? Is he like 3 stories tall and really weak and light? I'm not complaining about comic book movie realism, just curious. I haven't read any comic books. probably "quantum weirdness"
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Jul 20, 2015 20:41
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Chernobyl Prize posted:Is there an explanation in the comic books why Ant-Man still weighs 180 lbs when he's tiny but Pym's keychain doesn't have the same mass? Also, how does it work when Ant-Man is giant? Is he like 3 stories tall and really weak and light? I'm not complaining about comic book movie realism, just curious. I haven't read any comic books. Pym particles. That's basically it. It's the Ant-Man equivalent to everything weird and pseudo-science in Fantastic Four being explained away with unstable molecules.
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Jul 20, 2015 21:05
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I get that the Yellowkacket suit is busted, but how are they going to explain how Cross survived an implosion and becomes Crossbones in Civil War?
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Jul 20, 2015 22:02
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Doronin posted:I missed that interview, but that is the best news I'm going to read all day probably. Although count me among the people who believe there was some semblance or shadow of Wasp in the Quantum Realm. I swore I saw it, but thought I was seeing things. definitely saw a silhouette of the wasp on Ant-mans helmet prior to hitting kaleidoscope speed.
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Jul 20, 2015 22:09
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Detective No. 27 posted:I get that the Yellowkacket suit is busted, but how are they going to explain how Cross survived an implosion and becomes Crossbones in Civil War?
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Jul 20, 2015 22:26
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Electromax posted:I don't know what Drunk History is so it was pretty funny to me. Weird to suggest some types of humor aren't allowed if some internet video also did it in the last 8 years. I doubt we'll get around to a Young Avengers movie for a good ten years at least.
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Jul 20, 2015 23:09
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Chernobyl Prize posted:Is there an explanation in the comic books why Ant-Man still weighs 180 lbs when he's tiny but Pym's keychain doesn't have the same mass? Also, how does it work when Ant-Man is giant? Is he like 3 stories tall and really weak and light? I'm not complaining about comic book movie realism, just curious. I haven't read any comic books. There is no way he weighs 180 lbs when he's tiny considering he crawls up people's costs and runs up the barrel of a dude's gun and neither of them immediately drop.
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Jul 21, 2015 00:29
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If you really want to dig into it, the only thing which behaves oddly when shrunk are people in the special suits. The toy train made big and the tank made small, and all the other instances, act like something of the size they're changed to be. So anything odd with the suits we can excuse as being part of them being designed to make the wearer as useful a soldier as possible.
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Jul 21, 2015 00:35
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One of the main benefits of making the comic book movie a comedy is it helps distract from internal consistency flaws. If this were a serious/dark movie I probably would have cared a lot more about the mass vs weight thing. But as it was I laughed so much that I didn't care about any of that and just enjoyed the movie.
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Jul 21, 2015 01:24
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The fundamental theorem of comic book physics holds that whatever is currently happening is possible, and whatever is called impossible will eventually happen, but anything that just plain didn't work even though nobody said anything about it just can't be done.
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Jul 21, 2015 02:44
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Wrong thread i guess This movie was weird. The first half was funny, then it turned into generic boring superhero movie. Michael douglas keeps going into how this technology is evil for some reason without actually explaining, the bad guy just ups and decides to openly sell his newly designed science to a no longer secret terrorist organization (what?). This movie was all tell and no show. It feels like a lot of the scenes just happened without any cohesion between them. The falcon thing was literally just tacked on to add a cameo, and every scene filmed at the house when training started felt like it was filmed in a cheap set over a weekend. I didn't bother to stay after the credits, what scenes did I miss?
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Jul 21, 2015 02:53
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Terror Sweat posted:I didn't bother to stay after the credits, what scenes did I miss? First Hope being given the new Wasp suit Second Cap and Falcon finding Bucky with his robot arm caught in a vise or press of some kind in a machine shop or garage. Brief mention of some kind of "accords" (presumably a Civil War tease)
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Jul 21, 2015 02:56
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I was disappointed that they didn't show Ant-Man crawling up someone's nose and then growing to full size.
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Jul 21, 2015 02:57
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If you've reached a point where you're using Drunk History to get around the fact that you liked a joke in a marvel movie, perhaps its time for you to stop hating marvel movies
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Jul 21, 2015 03:03
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Terror Sweat posted:Wrong thread i guess Terror Sweat posted:It feels like a lot of the scenes just happened without any cohesion between them. The falcon thing was literally just tacked on to add a cameo, and every scene filmed at the house when training started felt like it was filmed in a cheap set over a weekend.
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Jul 21, 2015 03:07
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Baron Bifford posted:The Falcon fight scene was there for pacing. Without it, the middle of the movie would have been nothing but training montages and exposition. It also showed what Scott is capable of when fighting, and how his skills improved from learning from Hope.
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Jul 21, 2015 03:40
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Baron Bifford posted:Selling the tech to Hydra was stupid because Cross could make more than enough money through legitimate channels. But what if Hydra is willing to pay double of any legitimate amount? Why are you against the free market, you commie? Plus, it's not only the suit, but the particles. He gave them the first container free, but any more would been worth at least a couple of gold ingots.
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Jul 21, 2015 03:48
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Baron Bifford posted:The Falcon fight scene was there for pacing. Without it, the middle of the movie would have been nothing but training montages and exposition. In addition to this, I really don't think it felt tacked on. It ties the movie in with the rest of the universe more, ads a little joke about the Starks loving Pym yet again, shows that Scott has mastered Antmaning, and works well with Cross' villain exposition at the end. It's not like it was oh hey, Falcon, what are you doing here at Baskin Robins? If you want to use a scene as an example of poor cohesion between scenes, use when Pym just up and decides to tell Hope what really happened to her mom. It just comes out of nowhere. It was kind of jarring, though the reactions were good and the story of how she died was pretty good.
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Jul 21, 2015 03:54
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I liked the Falcon cameo/fight and the direct Avengers nod because it was presented as a twist. We think Ant-Man is going to rob an old warehouse to get something needed for the heist and...oh poo poo, it's actually Avengers headquarters and Lang is thrown head-first into the fire and has to finally put the Ant-Man suit to good use in a major difference from slamming into doors and directing ants to move sugar cubes. It worked, it could have been a dumb "It's Falcon, kids!" style cameo but they worked something with it.
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Baron Bifford posted:In Europe, nobody likes the gypsies, so people will probably just laugh at it. Personally I don't get the vapors because the actor pretended to be a guy that thought gypsies had magical powers. I feel like this trait makes me stronger than some.
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