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Shoeless posted:Ah, thanks. Also, for some reason the event windows are small and cut off most of the text. It's rather frustrating. Any idea what's up with that? The game is not high dpi/large fonts aware. It's why I play it in a virtual machine.
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Naval treaties make the game interesting. In my most recent game I helped one get put in place which limited the displacement to 10k and guns to 8". This effectively delayed BBs 4 years, scraping some already under construction, which helped me tech up enough to build ones of my own. For some reason two of my cruisers with 9" guns under construction didn't get scrapped but I'm not complaining. Supposedly you're still able to rebuild ships outside the treaty limits but you can't actually save redesigns which are. This meant my ancient, mothballed ships with 12" couldn't be made useful. :(
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Riso posted:The game is not high dpi/large fonts aware. It's why I play it in a virtual machine. Well shoot. Could you share how I can go about making it work on a virtual machine then? It'd be nice to actually know what's going on 
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Jul 20, 2015 10:14
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I *Think* the game only checks tonnage when scrapping ships, i've had overgunned ships not get the axe before as well. I assume this is probably a bug.
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Jul 20, 2015 10:16
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I've been poking around the data folder and there's some interesting files. vpen.dat showing what I take to be the base penetration values of guns vs armour thickness before modifiers.  and there's this one from hpen.dat. Not sure what it's showing but in Calc it looks cool  and here's some poo poo from gundata.dat  and ordnancetable.dat  and have some TorpedoData.dat  There's also this SpeedHPTable.dat, not sure what the hell all that means but the bottom most row heading is '52' which I'm guessing is the tonnage of the ship and it seems ships above 52 tons in the game have some weird bugs going on with them.
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Jul 20, 2015 10:26
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Shoeless posted:Well shoot. Could you share how I can go about making it work on a virtual machine then? It'd be nice to actually know what's going on Step 1 Win 7 Pro: install XP Mode Win 8(/10) Pro: install HyperV Or for everything else install Virtual Box/VM Ware and then install Windows normally in that. Win XP in a VM is handy for olde games.
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Riso posted:Step 1 I've got Win7 home premium. So I'll need virtual box?
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Jul 20, 2015 11:32
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Shoeless posted:I've got Win7 home premium. So I'll need virtual box? Yes, and a copy of Win XP.
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Jul 20, 2015 12:19
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Gantolandon posted:Yes, and a copy of Win XP. It doesn't have to be xp, any licensed windows copy will do for the game as long as you don't change the dpi settings.
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Jul 20, 2015 12:27
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I'm still baffled by the training options - no matter what I pick it always says "Crews are fully proficient in selected training". Is it just bugged?
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Jul 20, 2015 16:13
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I know :grog: and all but...why only five save slots?  Between the graphics, the fact it's only 15 mb, etc... I wonder what's the oldest/lowest spec machine you could get this to run on? Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 16:18
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I'm running it on a laptop that's probably three years old and it definitely slows down during the fleet battles. So it's a simple UI but might be a little more processor intensive than you'd think.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:05
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I've had a couple of huge battles involving a dozen or so battleships on each side along with a fuckload smaller boats and I've noticed some slight slowdowns.Darkrenown posted:I'm still baffled by the training options - no matter what I pick it always says "Crews are fully proficient in selected training". Is it just bugged? It always says that so I guessing a bug? According to the manual: quote:Gunnery: Gunnery training will give your ships
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I know :grog: and all but...why only five save slots? Well, I tried putting in a folder named "Game6" and that didn't work.  It is a bit of hassle, but if you really wanted more saves, you could always manually move folders in out.
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Jul 20, 2015 17:16
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I saw that all the different ship types are listed in the SAI manual instead of the RtW manual, but is there a list anywhere of the parameters of each type? In some post somewhere I read something about keeping a line of 22 or 23 knots, but everytime I try to make a Battleship 20+ knots the game recognizes it as a CA or BC. It would be awesome to see guidelines for these kind of things.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:07
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CatsPajamas posted:I saw that all the different ship types are listed in the SAI manual instead of the RtW manual, but is there a list anywhere of the parameters of each type? In some post somewhere I read something about keeping a line of 22 or 23 knots, but everytime I try to make a Battleship 20+ knots the game recognizes it as a CA or BC. It would be awesome to see guidelines for these kind of things. Max speed for b/bb goes up throughout the game, later on you can make 24+ knot BBs.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:11
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Two questions: Is there anyway to get that blue circle around ports to go down because I keep getting bombardment targets for my CAs and they cannot reach it in the port. Are the destroyer techs different for some countries because with Japan I got the 700t DD long after I had the 1000t and France it seems I'm getting them more or less up the scale, 400, 500, 700, 900, etc.
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dtkozl posted:Two questions: Is there anyway to get that blue circle around ports to go down because I keep getting bombardment targets for my CAs and they cannot reach it in the port. Are the destroyer techs different for some countries because with Japan I got the 700t DD long after I had the 1000t and France it seems I'm getting them more or less up the scale, 400, 500, 700, 900, etc. Know error/bug and will be corrected in version 1.1 that they're working on. quote:Map and battle data fixes (will mostly only take effect in new games): v1.1 was entering beta testing as of 5 days ago, so hopefully we'll get it soon.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:16
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OP should include a link to the game store given how INCREDIBLY HIDDEN IT IS FROM GOOGLE.
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Alchenar posted:OP should include a link to the game store given how INCREDIBLY HIDDEN IT IS FROM GOOGLE. Galaga Galaxian posted:Yes, the game looks like something from the Windows 95/98 era and the UI is a bit obtuse, but underneath those trappings is a surprisingly fun, addictive, and satisfying game of maritime conquest. Somewhat continuing the recent trend of "Grognard" games becoming cheaper, the game only costs $35 on the company's webpage. Yes, that is a Yahoo store website, and yes, you have to actually wait for someone to send you a registration key via email, it is still a grognard game.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:44
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Alchenar posted:OP should include a link to the game store given how INCREDIBLY HIDDEN IT IS FROM GOOGLE. Yes, that is the real URL, not some weird phishing link.
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Jul 20, 2015 18:45
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For all you younguns out there, that is what the internet looked like back in the day.
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drat this whole "Turrets must be balanced" rule. Game won't let me save my HMS Inadvisable class Cruiser with four turrets all port side and four torpedo launchers all starboard 
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Jul 20, 2015 19:35
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Megadyptes posted:I've been poking around the data folder and there's some interesting files. vpen.dat showing what I take to be the base penetration values of guns vs armour thickness before modifiers. I'd guess hpen is plunging shots vs deck armor as they can only happen at certain ranges? With shorter ranges for larger weapons as the large shells needs higher trajecories to make a given range (up to a point). Makes absolutely no sense with vpen being vertical and hpen horizontal though,unless they got them backwards. E: Also the numbers go up with range, and that matches the shell hitting the armor more and more vertically as range increases. Strangely small numbers compared with vpen though. Maybe a modifier? Caconym fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 19:39
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:drat this whole "Turrets must be balanced" rule. Game won't let me save my HMS Inadvisable class Cruiser with four turrets all port side and four torpedo launchers all starboard
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Caconym posted:I'd guess hpen is plunging shots vs deck armor as they can only happen at certain ranges? With shorter ranges for larger weapons as the large shells needs higher trajecories to make a given range (up to a point). Makes absolutely no sense with vpen being vertical and hpen horizontal though,unless they got them backwards. Depends on what you refer to. The shell or the armor.
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Wooper posted:Depends on what you refer to. The shell or the armor. Fair point. Then it even makes sense.
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I present you my take on Vittorio Cuniberti's Ideal Battleship, as he postulated in an article in the 1903 edition of Jane's Fighting Ships. Its not a completely accurate take. The armament (and positioning of the main guns) is correct, but Cuniberti specified 17,000 tons*, 24 knots speed, and a 12" complete belt. Something had to give. Still, it doesn't' look half bad for an early Dreadnought. Personally I'd probably consolidate the single turrets into another pair of wing turrets, but either way its not bad for a ship that has no additional centerline turrets (Which I conveniently lack the technology for anyways in my Italy game). Might be a bit light on ammo though, but apparently HMS Dreadnought only carried 80 rounds each for her guns. * Though the dimensions he gave for the ship end up displacing about 21,800 tons according to something I found on the net, so I'm actually kinda accurate! [edit] Found someone's pixelart take on the ship, looks good.  
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Is anyone else using Grand Admiral mode or is everyone else going ~maximum grog~? Any tips on effective command in this mode? I'm not sure what to do besides try to get good broadsides with the core ships in large engagements. Should I just suck it up and switch to Rear Admiral mode?
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I'd say Admiral mode is max grog because the other modes give non-historical/unrealistic level of control over your units.
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^^^ Isn't that the whole point of grog games? AceRimmer posted:Is anyone else using Grand Admiral mode or is everyone else going ~maximum grog~? Any tips on effective command in this mode? I've been playing rear admiral mode, but setting everything but the flagships to AI control and just taking command for specific maneuvers like sending a division after a damaged ship. The AI seems competent enough for most things. I sometimes come off worse than I might have if I'd controlled everything but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm terrible at micromanaging all the units in a grog game edit: quoting for a new page James Garfield posted:What does SAP ammunition do? I assume it's worth using since it's a research development, but I don't know when I'll want my ships using it. James Garfield fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I'd say Admiral mode is max grog because the other modes give non-historical/unrealistic level of control over your units. d'accord. You just gotta let Beatty Beatty.
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AceRimmer posted:Is anyone else using Grand Admiral mode or is everyone else going ~maximum grog~? Any tips on effective command in this mode? Get the tech that allows you control of the scouting force and the main body simultaneously asap.
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I use Grand Admiral mode - mostly I just try to put the battle line in a good spot and hit Flotilla attack/rally/disengage as seems appropriate. Also I tend to charge my capital ships into torpedoes when it gets dark or stormy, so I'm not sure I'm the best example to follow. Honestly, I'd be happy enough just setting some doctrine and just watching the battles rather than controlling them. Are naval limitation treaties common? I'm 4 games in and I've only had one applied to be in a peace deal. I like designing ships and all, but trying to work around a treaty limitation would be an interesting twist instead of just building bigger and bigger (and then only being able to afford one ship, I can't help myself though).
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James Garfield posted:What does SAP ammunition do? I assume it's worth using since it's a research development, but I don't know when I'll want my ships using it. Semi armor piercing. It's an AP shell with more explosive filler but less penetrating ability than straight AP.
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Effectively, what is the difference between AP and HE ammo? When would I want to use one instead of the other?
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Riso posted:It doesn't have to be xp, any licensed windows copy will do for the game as long as you don't change the dpi settings. I don't have a copy of any other Windows, and I'm a bit leery of spending more money just to get the game to not have bugged window sizes. I don't know how I'd change DPI settings even if I wanted though, so at least if I do end up going through with it I probably don't have to worry about accidentally changing them In other news, how good/terrible is this for a torpedo cruiser? I just got the tech to let me put surface torps on CLs before bed last night... actually... before bed this morning actually, god drat this game's addictive... and this is what I came up with. 
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So...I'm super new at this and am not very groggy, but I figured out Aurora so I was sure I could figure this out. Could someone maybe do a Designing Ships guide? Or point me to an existing one? Manual is...exasperatingly brief.
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Wooper posted:We may have lost the war but you are a hero, admiral Arglebargle III. It's funny, I ended the game having never built the BBs I wanted to but probably put the Italian navy in a great position going forward. I built scads of light cruisers and submarines, never fought a modern dreadnought engagement, and ruled the Mediterranean with commerce raiding. I forced Austria-Hungary out of a war without an engagement larger than a cruiser clash. Now the Regia Marina will have a huge number of light cruisers to escort their aircraft carriers, and only a handful of modern battleships to be useless targets in the future. The navy named a new aircraft carrier after me, which I thought was a nice touch at the end that acknowledged the BB era was short-lived.
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Shoeless posted:I don't have a copy of any other Windows, and I'm a bit leery of spending more money just to get the game to not have bugged window sizes. I don't know how I'd change DPI settings even if I wanted though, so at least if I do end up going through with it I probably don't have to worry about accidentally changing them You have an 8,000 ton cruiser with no armor. It would only really be effective in nighttime engagements. Otherwise youll get shot to pieces in a daytime engagement, regardless that your ship can do 30kts.
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