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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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If this series ever intended to be its own thing I'd imagine that (a) the idea that the powers go away isn't true as long as you keep using them. and (b) Gradually you can work away the flaws through training.

Sadly this doesn't seem to be the case because it'd be a nice curve ball and a good way to extend the series some more as I do like it.

e: Something I forgot, the most important revelation this ep, the guy can use other peoples powers if he possesses them.

Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Aug 2, 2015

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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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This episode really sold me that Ayumi is the best little sister. I loved her ferocious teasing of Nao and Yuu.

But then the ending act. :ohdear:

And who the gently caress is the new girl and why is she important? We'll find out I guess.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Damnit, I knew what the food would be and I still got sad.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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krnhotwings posted:

Heh, same here. Couldn't help but empathize with the guy. :(

Also it kinda resolves the question had about him suddenly no longer being a psychopath from the first episode; it's like yup, without the positive influence from peers he reverts drat fast.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Angry Grimace posted:

Perhaps Nao could explain why cocaine was the line Yu couldn't cross but threatening to kill people, starting gang wars with his powers and literally stabbing several people were just fine.

Japan really doesn't like drugs.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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J-Spot posted:

Good episode this week. Part of me wanted to see Yuu turn into a straight up villain for a few episodes but that ending was pretty nice. I do hope they'll address his latent psychopathic tendencies again before this is over though.

Nao's true super power appears to be the ability to make Yuu not a complete rear end in a top hat.

Personally I feel it's clear it's precisely because of the Anonymous Internet Jerkwad theory; you give an individual power without responsibility or accountability and that individual is absolutely going to abuse it.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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quote:

In 2015, Marina reunited with Maeda for the anime series Charlotte as the vocalist for the fictional in-story band Zhiend.

I knew it! I want that song and I want it now.

She's the same singer as the one who did the songs in Angel Beats along with LiSa.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Tamba posted:

Wtf is going on :psyduck:

Save the Cheerleader, save the world.

This is literally Heroes season 1. :3:

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Razzled posted:

I think this show just became my #1 for the season. I'm loving the Gemini Rue theme.

!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!

Have you also played Resonance? This company makes the best adventure games I swear.

Aside from Danganronpa I wonder what Japanese adventure games and visual novels have a similar feel.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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How come Jun Maeda creates such awesomely inspired shows but is never trusted enough with an actual budget to have a two-cours series where he can properly pace himself?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Darth Walrus posted:

Well, that all went oddly smoothly. Wonder when and how the other shoe's going to drop?

My thoughts exactly. :ohdear:

Unless the next episode is just retreading curing the brother and maybe hunting down the original evil organization; I'm amazed they never seemed to have recruited that scientist guy at any point.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Phobophilia posted:

Well, as long as Yuu has positive influences around him to repress his latent sociopathy, he should be okay for the next 3 years, and won't become the villain.

Actually, now that I think about it, having Yuu on the council team was probably a bad idea, Yuu could have, at any time, possessed some of the other members (for legitimate or illegitimate reason), and destroyed the ability of the council to function. And once they lose their abilities, Yuu is going to work out that he can keep them, and then there is nothing to check him.

I think they should have left it as "can temporarily borrow their powers" than "permanently drains their powers". Right now, it's sloppy writing.

I agree with this as well, it should've been borrow or temporarily suppress or something, if Yuu ever did enter Villain territory he would have the same problems Sylar and Peter did in Heroes.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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I think once he saw the death glare Yuu put two and two together and figured she must have been the cause some how.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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smenj posted:

It was more the fact that he knew exactly where it was going to happen, and was waiting there in advance well before anyone had even showed up. Still, as I said, it's nothing major, just a strange omission. :shrug:

He hid in a locker located roughly where Collapse happened, I think it isn't a bad guess.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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pandaK posted:

loving space dust man

Kinda the plot of Illusions of Gaea.

Like I dunno, I get it's more of a low key show esp. with the abilities having drawbacks, but it seems like without the Time Leap power their organization only has so much it good it can do before it runs into as we see here, armed bastards who can do what they want with intimidation. If I were in their shows I'd try to train a small group of 3-5 people with special powers as Commandos who can rely on non-ability powers if for any reason the powers get disabled (as we see here) or they gradually lose the powers and then can use their training to train their replacements. Then you have a small team of elite people you can send in to take of matters like this without terrorists possibly derailing everything you worked for.

You would have to FIND people with useful abilities for combat but certainly it's gotta be possible to find a handful. This show seems slightly on the idealistic side in that nearly everyone with powers seem alright with joining when asked.

As for what happened this episode and the reveal that there's people with powers all over the place, oh dear. That's a lot of personal misery if everywhere else is similar to how Japan was. I'm holding out some hope that there might be a group that doesn't want to lose their abilities.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Einander posted:

You know, for such an irritating episode, pretty much everything it made total sense. I was consistently exasperated throughout, but that's because they acted in ways that were totally consistent with their individual flaws and shortcomings.

Of course Kumagami (or any of the others) would crack under torture. Shunsuke has actual obvious effects from all the time travel: namely, that his response to "should I send my brother into certain danger against people who know all of his powers?" is "yes, duh, my friend is in trouble," because he's spent so much more time around his friends than his family. He's also really bad at solutions that don't involve time travel, because when all you've got is a hammer... Yu, being a stupid kid, is naturally inclined to believe Shunsuke is right (he's his big brother, he's the one with the secret organization, and Yu is kind of passive), so he ignores his good sense in favor of following Shunsuke's stupid-rear end plan. And of course the stupid-rear end plan fails miserably.

Seriously, though: if you're warned that doing something will get your family taken hostage and gently caress everything up, and then you do it anyway and that exact thing happens, you forfeit the right to sympathy. I kind of hoped Yu would exhibit some of his off-and-on-again sociopathy and time travel to prevent it anyway, because gently caress that guy and gently caress his family. On a similar note, I kind of expected Yu to just time travel out before the big plot happened, because trading one imprisoning scientific organization for another really isn't much of an upgrade.

Arkeus posted:

That episode was horrible- everyone acted out of character as gently caress. Yuu was somehow incredibly weird in how he handled the actual conflict, the big brother was even weirder given he had lived a life where he had to sacrifice people all the time, so why should he give a gently caress about a traitor's family? Then there is Nao who was incredibly dumb in how to use her power, and Kuragami who stopped his phone to the syndicate for....reasons...



Both of these cannot be true at the same time.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Again I really gotta ask in a rhetorical way, why does Maeda get shafted every time? He really needs 24 episodes for both Angel Beats and this and yet he never gets it.

This episode punched me in the gut a bunch of times. :(

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Oh wow, they actually spent the whole episode showing him gather those abilities. I'm impressed.

I like how with enough abilities he did end up managing to bypass the draw backs (teleporting, flight) except for the whole falling down like a doofus when he steals an ability.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Phobophilia posted:

This show is a total mess. Good action scenes this ep, good globe trotting. It just lacks the time and tightness to the writing. The show just keeps jumping from scenario to scenario: SoL, tragedy, timelooping, base-building, running-from-evil-scientists, permanent maiming, globe-trotting adventure, we're just thrown from one to the next, without giving the audience time to breath. There's an unpredictability to this show.

At least these are flaws borne of overambition, than mediocrity.

Another flaw this ep is that Yuu doesn't even get a proper arc for his fall-from-grace. He just just rocks up, upturns the lives of tens of thousands of people, probably kills hundreds, and the show suggests it is all a Bad Thing. Nao's scheme was a mistake. But the show never addresses it properly: Yuu never gets a proper redemptive arc for this storyline: Nao simply forgives him, and lo all is forgiven. And there is an inconsistency with the episode where Yuu and Kumagori and Nao were attacked, syndicates could attack Japan, but they couldn't even organise a resistance to Yuu's reign of terror, on their own home turf?


There are a ton of things this show does right, which is frustrating because it repeatedly drops the ball. I blame all this on poor time budgeting for the first half dozen episodes.

I think we're supposed to realize that the adults are pretty stupid too and while their "plan" was thoroughly thought out not all plans work once exposed to the reality and once it broke they had no plan B; then Yuu simply reached a critical mass of abilities and no one could stop him by then and it's too late.

As for Yuu's arc I think there's supposed to be this notion that redemption comes at a cost. Zhiend's singer there lost her eyes, presumably Shuu lost his eyes and his friend, Yuu lost his eye and his memories.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Angry Grimace posted:

The bigger problem than the pacing was how loving absurd the last episode's main plot is: he literally went across the world and erased every single power with zero support while simultaneously being batshit insane. What in the actual gently caress?

It would have been significantly more satisfying if the last episode skimmed over the actual poo poo he was doing and had way more stuff where they solidified the relationship between Nao and Yuu. Really. If they needed to show Yuu losing it, that needed an episode plus another episode with him recovering his life afterwards. I guess in some way that relates to the pacing issues since we already had an episode like that.

I dunno, that single minded determination is the stuff legends are born from. He's basically on auto pilot with his abilities automatically doing the work for him; he plundered an ability that lets them stay active even when he's asleep.

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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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"scientists and adults are evil" wasn't the plotline, only that there were certain organizations that existed, or would come to exist that would make their lives a living hell because of abilities that are on balance a curse. Using the time leap ability the organization the good guys were a part of would find scientists and adult politicians who were sympathetic to their cause; it just took effort and experience because they're idiot kids with powers they don't understand. I think this isn't a dumb way of going about it, I think it's using adults in general as an ammoral force that could both hinder or help them because as kids they lack the life experiences to understand adults and how to approach adults with their issues (this is almost metaphorical for the millennial-boomer divide!).

I think what would've made the show better given a second cours would've been to spend time on the adult side of things, where from the adult perspective its the kids who don't understand why adults need to make hard decisions for their own good; so not having this perspective makes the adult organizations almost entirely malicious sure, I can see how you see that but after the time leap reveal and the brother's plotline hints that it certainly wasn't the point of the characterization.

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