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Just in case anyone really takes that Jim Lowry write-up seriously, you might look up who Jim Lowry is.
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I'd say that even if you don't agree with his basic premise, it can easily be treated like Stephen King's On Writing, which is really just the lyrical autobiography of a writer. It's really short, is pleasurable to read in a prose sense imho, and has given me some knew mental tools (which would probably really be helping Bernie Sanders right now for instance LOL, since black lives matter protesters shut him down in Seattle a night or two ago.)thehomemaster posted:Interesting points about 'black lives matter' http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2015/06/15/genosuicide-and-its-causes/  I hope you're just trolling. I forget since this thread is roughly one page long but, do we need to bring out the dinner table analogy again?
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thehomemaster posted:Well I don't know that analogy so do go on? Anyways the "Dinner Table Analogy" goes like this: You are seated at a table with your family, with father serving portions to everyone in succession. When he reaches your plate he skips past it, and continues to put food on the rest of the plates at the table. "Hey! I would like a fair portion, as well!" you exclaim. "Everybody should get a fair share," father replies and everybody else around the table smiles and nods, before father places the main dish back on the table and then goes about the process of eating his meal - as does everyone else, satisfied that they have been inclusive enough by declaring that they believe in fairness. So you get both a dismissal of the point which is brought out ("black lives matter", because black lives seem to matter less in practise in this society, for instance) as well as a snarky response and/or put-down, and then everybody else who got their fair share, feel the warm glow of agreeing that everybody ought to be equal - while they eat their meals next to someone with an empty plate, and who rudely dared to call their issue to attention in front of the group. It's the epitome of patriarchy/entitlement, and has been well displayed by reactions to Bernie Sanders being chased off-stage ... The people who felt that their issue was so important that they interrupt a public event to bring their issue to the fore, are quickly shoved aside while a DIFFERENT old white man (in a hat) grabs the mic away from them and tells them to "calm down" and "be respectful", and countless others say "hey, he's the best candidate for Black people - why you hating on him!?" This is a pretty solid primer http://www.bestoftheleft.com/_947_understanding_the_schism_in_the_progressive_movement_blacklivesmatter if you're (like me) a non-black person who has been having some hangups trying to get their head around the whole thing... That said however, I think that the entire link I just posted can be summed up in one quote, quote:“You need to stop telling us 'he marched with Martin Luther King.' I promise, we already heard about that. And that’s great, that he marched with Dr. King in the 60s, but we also marched with Janet Jackson in the 80s, and she taught us to ask, ‘What have you done for me lately?’ Anyone who cares about you and wants your trust should be ready to answer that question. And if you really believe in Bernie Sanders, you should have faith that he can answer that question. Which is why, at the end of the day, instead of being mad at #BlackLivesMatter or mad at those two activists, every Bernie Sanders supporter should be thanking them for what they’ve done.” I've received an amazing amount of venom from rabid Sanders boosters (almost all of whom seem to be retirement age white people) when I tried to bring up how he changed his "7 point plan" to an "8 point plan" within 24 hours of BLM protestors chasing him off stage - although those same pro-Sanders supporters spend a lot of time telling me how he'd hired Simone Sanders three weeks prior... I am reasonably sure that Ms Sanders had a stance on black issues already written up and ready for Bernie to read out loud from day 1 of getting the job - yet nobody bothered to bring it up until it was forced to the front... And then it's couched in classic respectability politics... http://fusion.net/story/184032/black-lives-matter-martin-luther-king-hate-mail/  “It would be well if every American Negro compared his position and opportunity with that of his race in other countries. He would find that in none does the Negro have the advantages the United States gives him. As justified as may be many of the demands Negroes make, they are not the only matter of importance in the world.” #AllLivesMatter..? coyo7e fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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^^^^ The difference being that most people who say that Ghenghis Khan was an important figure who improved culture around the world (and forget what he did to the people in his own time,) aren't ethnic mongols, profiting from the historic effects of his rule and atrocities. It's very much a demonstration of privilege though, I listened to a Dan Carlin Hardcore History podcast series on the history of the mongol empire, and he began with just how sticky a wicket it can be to talk about that particular figure.Paper With Lines posted:Did anyone see the David Brooks op-ed response to it? Bhaal posted:I will be honest I mostly skimmed that link but as others have said he washes his hands of the whole thing by pointing out that black people can not only be aggressive and angry, but also can and do kill each other(!). If anyone takes those points and arrives at a conclusion of, "so, there you go", that person is called--sorry but I'm showing off my erudite knowledge of sociology tech words--an "rear end in a top hat". thehomemaster posted:Well People manage to say that ghengis khan wasn't all bad, so I'll let that sit. Your two-sentence response is literally what "privilege" in this context is about - being able to just make crass comments and shut down those with real issues to bring up - while walking away from the isue yet STILL getting in the last word of "yo, ain't those peopel upset about dead and buried history loving CRAZY or what bro? Amirite? Fist bump! WOOOOOO!" coyo7e fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Aug 23, 2015 |
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