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Just started reading this. Lovely writing. Implying race isn't real? Plan to follow up with Beloved, The Invisible Man and The Color Purple.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Switch out Color Purple for Native Son or Go Tell it on the Mountain Cheers.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:31
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Yeah well I'm not black, nor American, so those books are the closest I'll get it! Anyway, I've been reading more and I really dig his style and voice. There's a some nice gems in there. I partiocularly like his opinions on schooling, and how he plays that against life on the streets. What he is describing closely resembles the movies, so I guess that's a point for Hollywood? Mel Mudkiper posted:This is actually a much older idea that Coates. It's actually pretty accurate both historically and genetically. Like Coates said, Jewish and Irish were both not "white" until it became socially convenient to label them so. In the same way the monolithic idea of the black race has just as much genetic diversity within itself as there is between it and other races. Skin color and facial features are actually remarkably insignificant genetic markers. True, I mean I know the idea. It's so very hard to divorce the logic of 'we are all the same' from what you see sometimes, but then what you see has been constructed by the media et al.
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Aug 4, 2015 19:51
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What really struck me as particularly unique about his perspective in his insistence on using the term "bodies" and completely annihilating the spiritual. Ah yes totally agree, it's powerful thw way he uses it. I mean, we are meant to be progressive thinkers, so it makes sense to divorce the issue from the religious.
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Aug 4, 2015 23:23
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Interesting points about 'black lives matter' http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2015/06/15/genosuicide-and-its-causes/ I mean interesting in terms of it being a male thing, not a race thing, where males fight for their rights, and die in droves.
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Aug 5, 2015 05:55
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Well I don't know that analogy so do go on? I'm just up to the bit about the Civil War, it's a very disturbing read, yet enjoyable on the sentence level. Really puts me at odds.
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Aug 10, 2015 03:20
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Coates has a By The Book on NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/books/review/ta-nehisi-coates-by-the-book.html
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Aug 11, 2015 03:43
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Not sure how I feel about this sentence: 'Part of me thinks that your very vulnerability brings you closer to the meaning of life, just as for others, the quest to believe oneself white divides them from it.' Like, am I white or do I just believe I am (will myself to be) white? Am I missing out on life by not being a minority? But then I realise this text isn't for me.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:40
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Yeah I guess. Thing that bugs me is that a) I know the facts of this already so not learning anything and b) I don't have anything from which to anchor my perceptions. It's not changing my mind per se, I agree with him, and yet I can't relate to him. The only thing I can do is appreciate it on the sentence level, and also appreciate the outpouring within it.
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Aug 11, 2015 23:42
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Bhaal posted:If anyone takes those points and arrives at a conclusion of, "so, there you go", that person is called--sorry but I'm showing off my erudite knowledge of sociology tech words--an "rear end in a top hat". Jesus Christ almighty....
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Aug 20, 2015 08:50
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Eh, really? I mean c'mon stop judging the past based on todays morals.
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Aug 21, 2015 09:49
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Well People manage to say that ghengis khan wasn't all bad, so I'll let that sit. Anyway, I mean I'm with you, I'm just being devils advocate.
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Aug 21, 2015 23:01
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Maf as gently caress. It was a good book yo!
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