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Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I can see a PMom, EXAKT, Hal, TMM Scumteam.
Looking for posts that would make that unlikely.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:03

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 00:12

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

Lumpen posted:

I can see a PMom, EXAKT, Hal, TMM Scumteam.
Looking for posts that would make that unlikely.

I don't think you'll find anything between me and Hal or TMM (TMM calling me scummy after he's already outed is pretty null).

I wanted to get rid of EXAKT for inactivity, pretty vocally, but Pig seems to be in my corner today so :shrug:

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:07

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Pinterest Mom posted:

I don't think you'll find anything between me and Hal or TMM (TMM calling me scummy after he's already outed is pretty null).

I wanted to get rid of EXAKT for inactivity, pretty vocally, but Pig seems to be in my corner today so

I went back and looked

ON EXAKT:

Pinterest Mom posted:

You haven't commented on EXAKT, either. Are we meant to understand that your top three scum reads are me, plus two people you've decided are scum because they're linked to me?

defending EXAKT, strange wording

Pinterest Mom posted:

Exakt's vote on merk looks like it's coming from a good place. I don't want to vote for them.

more defending EXAKT

Pinterest Mom posted:

I think SirSam is a pretty good dunk choice, too.
...
He also has the weird pressuring of Exakt about the poison, which, w/e.

defending EXAKT again, strange wording

PMom did go on about EXAKT being a lurker, but there was no lynch pressure there so that's very easy distancing.

Then the pretty odd gambit-counter-gambit exchange with CPig which reads really weird to me... and then gets abandoned and swept under the rug fast. Was it supposed to provide an alibi? Pig does seem to be "in your corner" today.

CapitalistPig posted:

Does no one else see how scummy ljtrigirl is being?

This post is logically ridiculous, as was the double-down.

ON TMM:

Pinterest Mom posted:

Talk about your TMM suspicion? He's hedging and not giving opinions, is that it?

Parrying for TMM against f_v's suspicion.

I didn't see much else on TMM, but PM did call out TMM's fakeclaim and did vote him, so that would have to be busing to put them together, which based on that claim I wouldn't rule out.

ON HAL:
Pinterest Mom never mentions, interacts with, or responds to Hal in any way in this game, that I could find. That is suspicious.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:28

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Wait, no,
ON HAL:

Pinterest Mom posted:

Is this a reasonable opinion for Hal to hold? He just played a game with scum Diq a month ago, went to LYLO with him.

Tell me Diq isn't being emotional and passionate here.

throwing the lightest of shade on Hal, also distancing from the Diqnol lynch.

Pinterest Mom posted:

lj, if you want your vig to be useful, take out someone like exakt or hiip or hal

The lightest, most ineffectual distancing.

Pinterest Mom posted:

I guess you think they're BK and Hal, and they're just so bad at their jobs that they failed to convince much of anyone?

Throwing tiny tiny shade at Hal, but also pairing him up with another so even less direct.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Hal Incandenza posted:
How the hell are we supposed to find the edit, Waldo?

he added "I AM SCUM" in the second one

Only direct interaction, an awkward "joke"-lie about Diqnol.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:34

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

No Diqnol literally did add the words "I am scum" to the second, mafiaedited post.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:38

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

On rereading PMom, I think it's likely he's Scum. I believe Hiip's claim.

If PMom were Town, would a Busdriver be likely to switch PMom last night, or would PMom be the most logical Framer target?

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:39

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

I'd definitely be the most logical framer target.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:39

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

I am very suspicious of Lumpen.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:40

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

Lumpen: explain how me and Hal not interacting is a point against me or Hal.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:41

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Pinterest Mom posted:

No Diqnol literally did add the words "I am scum" to the second, mafiaedited post.

Ha, you're right. I thought you were being sarcastic at the time and didn't even notice. I would have been allllll over the psychological ramifications of that particular omission slip.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:42

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Pinterest Mom posted:

I'd definitely be the most logical framer target.

Go on...

Pinterest Mom posted:

Lumpen: explain how me and Hal not interacting is a point against me or Hal.

Have you never seen a Namedrop Analysis in Mafia? It Is Known that Scum tend to avoid talking to or about each other, compared to non-Scum. It is mostly an unconscious reaction. I can't remember who used to actually go through and tally the namedrops for a Namedrop Analysis, but it was shockingly accurate.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:44

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

Lumpen posted:

Go on...

My name has been bubbling as scummy for a while. I'm a very likely investigation target.

quote:

Have you never seen a Namedrop Analysis in Mafia? It Is Known that Scum tend to avoid talking to or about each other, compared to non-Scum. It is mostly an unconscious reaction. I can't remember who used to actually go through and tally the namedrops for a Namedrop Analysis, but it was shockingly accurate.

Neither Hal nor I have flipped. I bet there's a lot of people with little interaction with him.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:46

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

CapitalistPig posted:

I am very suspicious of Lumpen.

How shocking! I am very suspicious of EXAKT and not impressed with you so far.
I want to hear you analyze PMom and Hal.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:47

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

I claimed VT in my first post and that's indeed what I am.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:50

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

Did I miss something? Why do we think there is a framer?

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:51

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

Oh hiipfires result I see.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:52

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Hal Incandenza posted:

Did I miss something? Why do we think there is a framer?

According to claimed Cop HiipFire, BK was investigated as Scum but flipped Town.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:52

HiipFire: Sep 1, 2013; JENNY DEATH LIVES

Hal Incandenza posted:

Did I miss something? Why do we think there is a framer?

I got a scum result on BK except he wasnt

so im doubting my town result on fiery and scum on pmom

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:52

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

Lumpen posted:

How shocking! I am very suspicious of EXAKT and not impressed with you so far.
I want to hear you analyze PMom and Hal.

You know perfectly well that's not how I operate.

I don't think Pinmom is scum because reasons.

I also don't think anything about hal because I didn't read all the 75 pages worth of crap before I joined.

I am suspicious of you because your logic is consistent with not making any real sense and its just lots of words that don't actually mean anything.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 20:54

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Looking over TMMadman, a few choice quotes:

TMM's posting about PMom strikes me as Scumbuddy distancing.

TMMadman posted:

Ehhhh, I think it's just PMom. I always think he is scummy but he always turns up as town. I can never make heads or tails of him, so I just kind of read him and then let it go unless it's particularly bad. I let other people who are smarter than me make the case on PMom.

The wishy-washiest distancing.

TMMadman posted:

...
As for PMom, I can sort of see merks case against PMom, but I don't think I'm quite sold on it yet. Again, my problem with PMom is I never had any clue what he is doing, so I always end up suspicious of him and never know if my read on him is paranoia or an actual scum read. However, I think he is probably a good target to examine today. And since you also seem focused on one person, aside from ljtrigril, who else do you think we should be looking at PMom?

Moving on to ljtrigirl, I'm getting a little confused by her lately. I was leaning pretty well town for her during D1, but right now she seems weirdly focused on PMom

more of the same wishywash, then a defense of PMom as reason to "suspect" ljtrigirl

TMM makes a weak case on Hal that doesn't go anywhere.
TMM seems eager to get off his own case on Hal

TMMadman posted:

I'll do some re-reads when I get home in a couple hours. I'm comfortable with my Hal vote, but I can move it.
...

TMMadman posted:

Alright, since the Hal vote isn't going anywhere, I'll start with ##unvote . I'll just have to look at Hal another day.
...

TMM never really said much or interacted meaningfully with EXAKT, but when it was clear he was busted, suddenly he points at EXAKT and PMom as "definitely Scum":

TMMadman posted:

...
Personally, I think the scum team is definitely QPQ, PMom and Exakt with any others being somewhere in Hiip, FV, Hal and Lumpen.

I'd like to see QPQ go, but I'd also take PMom out.
...

which we can WIFOM over I guess.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 21:14

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

TMM has made posts identical to the first one in the last few games we've been in together~

# ? Sep 4, 2015 21:17

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Looking at Hal:

Hal Incandenza posted:

I don't know about the PinMom case. He does spend a ot of time just shooting people down and not commenting on too much, but his post where he sort of cases ljtrlgirl makes some decent points and feels more genuine than manufactured. The point that he spends a lot of time casing her on D1 without voting is fair, but I also buy the explanation about her being new.

There are things there to raise suspicion, but I am getting a more townie feel from PinMom at this point.

wishywashy post, with the overall aim of defending PMom

Hal Incandenza posted:

The last time PMom was dissatisfied with his scumteam (and the setup) he just stopped posting period. He's actually making a conscious effort to contribute this game and he's felt concerned enough to make sure we know why he can't post much at the moment. This is not the actions of disengaged PinMom

defending PMom some more with meta

After merk calls Hal scummy for defending PMom, he gets selfconscious about it:

Hal Incandenza posted:

Fair, it's a little awkward. I actually started to post that I agreed with you (andljtrlgirl) but then halfway through I changed my mind and started all over so it probably is a bit more "constructed" just because I was going back and forth in my head a few times about which way I was leaning.

selfconscious wishywashiness about PMom.

Hal on TMM:

Hal Incandenza posted:

Hrm that is a bit of pickle.

I am worried about the possibility that you [Diqnol] AND TMM are scum and he did get the harpoon and you are just playing this all off to sow confusion and buy time.

Hal Incandenza posted:

It's not exactly a who's who of the towniest players on TMM right now, claim or otherwise. I really do wish we had some confirmation as to what a harpoon kill flavor was. Stabbed is too vague and not quite in line with the flavor I would expect but not far enough off to feel comfortable calling it either way.
...

After TMM is caught and fakeclaimed, Hal tries to put some breaks on it.

I saw nothing between Hal and EXAKT.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 21:25

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Looking at EXAKT:

EXAKT Science posted:

Like I mentioned earlier, TMM is on my radar, but I also the QPQ is scummy and don't think they're scum together. What do you think of QPQ, Rarity?

distancing

EXAKT Science posted:

In light of his recent posting, I think TMM is a good kill for today.
##unvote
##vote TMMadman

in context, this was a totally unviable vote

EXAKT Science posted:

Rarity posted:
Then you should switch your vote back, I agree TM's made some really poo poo posts but there's not enough momentum there to get him lynched today.

I'll switch before deadline.

EXAKT Science posted:

TMM probably isn't happening today, tho
##uunvote
...

EXAKT didn't have anything notable to say about PMom or Hal.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 21:34

ljtrigirl: Aug 13, 2015; I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the Salami and the Bologna combined!

Ok. If Hal isn't ccing the cop claim, I think Hal is neutral with diqnol.

Hal- Are you neutral with a compatible VC? What is it?

# ? Sep 4, 2015 21:45

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

LumpenList� DAY 5 Page 77

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

SUPPOSABLY SCUMMY

Pinterest Mom * Investigated Scum
~~EXAKT Science~~ CapitalistPig * lurking, interaction re: TMM, fits hypothesis
Hal Incandenza * lurking, post interaction with TMM/PMom, fits hypothesis
SOMEWHAT SUSPICIOUS
QuoProQuid *possible SK?
Samfucius *possible SK?
TENTATIVELY TRUSTABLE
SirSamVimes * gave Pearl to Rarity
TOTALLY TOWNIE
fiery_valkyrie * Cop cleared
ljtrigirl * If Scum game would be over because of 'Poons & Pearl
~~Meinberg~~ Hiipfire * Cop
Lumpen

# ? Sep 4, 2015 21:51

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

ljtrigirl posted:

Ok. If Hal isn't ccing the cop claim, I think Hal is neutral with diqnol.

Hal- Are you neutral with a compatible VC? What is it?

I'm just a fisherman, vanilla town. Sorry!

# ? Sep 4, 2015 21:57

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I strongly urge everyone to make a LumpenList. At this point, process of elimination can be useful. Look at the evidence, hypothesize who could possibly be Scum with TMM and with each other, and look through the posts to find patterns that support or deny the hypothesis. Then post the fruit of your judgement on the record to be evaluated. If you think I'm wrong in mine, show me why and explain your train of thought.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:05

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

Oh, we're into fullclaims now?

I'm a nexus. I redirect night actions used against me to a random target. That doesn't account the redirecting shenanigans though because someone has been redirecting actions that weren't targeted on me. I grabbed the pearl day 1 because I figured it would be safest in my hands, and I kind of figured that the valuable pearl item was why a nexus was put in the game.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:27

fiery_valkyrie: Mar 26, 2003; I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

I think I know what that vial is LJ, I have one too.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:27

fiery_valkyrie: Mar 26, 2003; I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

HiipFire posted:

The BK flip, since I got a scum result on him

ohh also I like to think I'm not an insane cop cause having the only cop be insane is pretty silly imo

An insane cop and a godfather would be a really weird combination.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:31

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

SirSamVimes posted:

Oh, we're into fullclaims now?

I'm a nexus. I redirect night actions used against me to a random target. That doesn't account the redirecting shenanigans though because someone has been redirecting actions that weren't targeted on me. I grabbed the pearl day 1 because I figured it would be safest in my hands, and I kind of figured that the valuable pearl item was why a nexus was put in the game.

Why are you claiming stop.

Here's my lumpenlist:

Scum:
Sams, Lumpen

Who knows: Pig, Hal, f_v

town: Hiip, lj

I'm missing someone.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:40

HiipFire: Sep 1, 2013; JENNY DEATH LIVES

fiery_valkyrie posted:

An insane cop and a godfather would be a really weird combination.

That too

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:41

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

Oh, QPQ. I feel good about him given interactions with TMM, put him in the town bucket.

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:41

HiipFire: Sep 1, 2013; JENNY DEATH LIVES

youre missing quidproquo

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:43

HiipFire: Sep 1, 2013; JENNY DEATH LIVES

oh wow im late

# ? Sep 4, 2015 22:43

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

Pinterest Mom posted:

Why are you claiming stop.

Because having a comprehensive list of who claims what would make it easier to spot a liar. Why are you so averse to it this late in the game?

# ? Sep 4, 2015 23:06

QuoProQuid: Jan 12, 2012; Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

CapitalistPig posted:

Does no one else see how scummy ljtrigirl is being?

girl is too erratic to be scum at this point. I briefly considered her as a potential serial killer, but that doesn't make sense either given that her role, if I remember correctly, was independently confirmed.

She's probably town. I won't go too far into set-up explanation, but I doubt Ecco would include a scum gunsmith that could give weapons out freely to their comrades.

# ? Sep 5, 2015 01:39

CapitalistPig: Nov 3, 2005; A Winner is you!

yeah I get that now.

# ? Sep 5, 2015 01:41

QuoProQuid: Jan 12, 2012; Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

CapitalistPig posted:

You know perfectly well that's not how I operate.

I don't think Pinmom is scum because reasons.

I also don't think anything about hal because I didn't read all the 75 pages worth of crap before I joined.

I am suspicious of you because your logic is consistent with not making any real sense and its just lots of words that don't actually mean anything.

Can you elaborate on this a bit? I've found Lumpen's posts pretty straight forward the entire game. He occasionally over-analyzes things, but I remember nothing about his content that "is consistent with not making any real sense." Nothing about him reads as scum to me.

If you want to point to specific posts, that would be wonderful.

# ? Sep 5, 2015 01:44

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 00:12

QuoProQuid: Jan 12, 2012; Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Lumpen posted:

I strongly urge everyone to make a LumpenList. At this point, process of elimination can be useful. Look at the evidence, hypothesize who could possibly be Scum with TMM and with each other, and look through the posts to find patterns that support or deny the hypothesis. Then post the fruit of your judgement on the record to be evaluated. If you think I'm wrong in mine, show me why and explain your train of thought.

DREADFULLY DUBIOUS

Capitalist Pig - He fits my early theory of an EXAKT/ TMM scum team. Both CPig and EXAKT have profoundly bad content. Extremely suspicious. Will probably lynch today.
Pinterest Mom - Scum result, but I've been wavering on my read during the game. Probably scum, but mechanics leave me concerned.
Samf - Lurky and questionable content. Get very negative vibes out of his posting and I think some of his activity is a little too convenient. Reminds me of scum!Opop in the last game I played.

SERIOUSLY SHIFTY

Hal - Almost put in the DREADFULLY DUBIOUS category because I get a profoundly negative ~~~vibe~~~~ from his content.
SirSamVimes - Nothing really sticks out content-wise. Still mulling over Nexus claim, but I am inclined to believe it. I don't think scum would have any reason to fakeclaim unless there was pressure on them, and a Nexus claim would be odd.

THANKFULLY TRUSTWORTHY

Lumpen - Based on content. Strong town read.
fiery_valkyrie - Based on content and cop result. Strong town read.
Hiipfire - Leaning town before today, but cop announcement is believable.
ljtrigirl - Actions/role would be nonsensical as scum.

# ? Sep 5, 2015 01:58

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