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I want to play, but I assume it will spoil the games, yeah?
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CapitalistPig posted:Not unless you guys spoil them. Ok great 
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Aug 5, 2015 19:53
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Hey everyone. ##frozen flame
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Aug 12, 2015 01:21
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##grab
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Aug 12, 2015 01:29
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Well I suppose I'm not selfish anyway
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Aug 12, 2015 01:29
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##join
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Aug 13, 2015 00:17
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Aug 13, 2015 00:19
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wtf 
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Aug 13, 2015 00:29
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Asii reaching p quick
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Aug 13, 2015 00:36
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U tried really hard but u failed basically
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Aug 13, 2015 00:49
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WHICH WAY MADNESS posted:So what's the story here random events happen in thread, I can do it once per day
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Aug 13, 2015 01:08
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Kumbamontu posted:We are the only friends we have is this earthbound
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Aug 13, 2015 01:14
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Is that part of your role? I don't have anything in my pm referencing challenges
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Aug 13, 2015 03:04
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Quidnose posted:You know this was my initial reaction as well but in thinking about it more I'm pausing now, because what does she have to gain as scum by doing this? I didn't think she was freaking out, just that it was a relatively illogical move. I didn't really assume it had to have failed because of scum. It's not like Avalon, where it's clear that scum need them to fail, so why would they stick their necks out at all? It read to me like overcompensation, playing up the failure more so than I felt about it
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Aug 13, 2015 04:41
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Mith, what do you think of Asii?
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Aug 13, 2015 05:48
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I stand by my suspicion of her, I thought it would be apparent from my explanation but I guess not
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Aug 13, 2015 06:41
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And given that she and I have both weighed in on how we feel I'd like him to also beyond just claiming it couldn't be his fault
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Aug 13, 2015 06:43
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I'd rather live, I like my cool randomizer role
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Aug 13, 2015 06:44
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to be clear, opop, do you think one of us is scum? Or are you itching for reads? Or just to kill someone!
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Aug 13, 2015 06:52
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to be clear then you think that the only way it would fail is with a scum, and on top of that a scum couldn't make it fail externally?
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Aug 13, 2015 06:58
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That's only because I said I had a gay encounter in my time
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Aug 13, 2015 07:01
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Opopanax posted:I suspect it was sabotaged yes. Do you have reason to believe scum can affect them from outside? How would that work? Well, I guess I don't buy that it was sabotaged as it doesn't really make sense from a scum perspective to risk outing themselves like that if the mechanic isn't integral to the game. if anything it would seem in their benefit to build up the town cred by having it succeed and grabbing the points for purchases along the way If they aren't involved it could make sense to crash it if they think the prize to town will be considerable, but for the first challenge of the game that seems unlikely unless they think they could drive suspicion onto someone and direct the lynch that way. Note that's not meant as an accusation of you so if it's a dumb play for scum to sabotage on the inside and at best a middling play to sabotage from the outside, i think it's just possible our party sucked. I think it's the reasonable conclusion, and the fact that asiina jumped to a different one really confuses me
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Aug 13, 2015 07:09
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on top of that, if mithross is what he says he is as a challenge monster, that sort of implies both asii and I would have to sabotage to compensate, and surely you don't think we're that dumb
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Aug 13, 2015 07:11
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Quidnose posted:
Can you rephrase the bolded? And in any scenario, scum know what's going to happen wrt their joining a mission, I don't follow 1) scum can choose to sabotage or succeed 2) scum can only attempt to sabotage
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Aug 13, 2015 07:30
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those are the only possible scenarios, in fact, if we believe scum can sabotage. They would know so going in, right?
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Aug 13, 2015 07:32
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actually, I could see another scenario outside of a town failure if scum is *compelled* to sabotage, but was unaware, that explains joining up d1 and drawing heat still, though, with mithross' claimed super-event powers that suggests that to compensate both asiina and I would have to be scum if he's telling the truth it speaks to her town alignment in my eyes
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Aug 13, 2015 07:43
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with that I'm going to bed, I guess it felt like more of a eureka moment than it looks once I posted it I don't understand how you think scum choosing whether or not to sabotage would be a weird jump, quid, as that's the basis of resistance and avalon I guess we can talk about that tomorrow!
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Aug 13, 2015 07:45
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You either think scum sabotaged it or you don't If you do, you have to think there is a sabotage mechanic
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Aug 13, 2015 08:12
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You're almost intentionally misinterpreting my words around to make common sense seem like the strangest thing in the world
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Aug 13, 2015 08:13
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Like, if you think that the event failed because someone on it was scum that inherently means you think a scum person's presence fucks it up If you think that a scum persons presence fucks it up, it's because they sabotage it If they sabotage it, they probably have a choice, like in somber's game that pig and I were in last fall If they don't, they know going in that they will sabotage Find the error
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Aug 13, 2015 08:15
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You even acknowledge that opop has raised the same line of reasoning im working under and yet somehow act mystified I'm working under it! It seems insincere and weird, like a supplementary gotcha off of the event failure
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Aug 13, 2015 08:16
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I'm gonna try to sleep for real, it's 3:00 am 
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Aug 13, 2015 08:17
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I'm saying that by following the mechanics of svum=fqilure it would require both of us to be scum As I know that to be false I buy us all as town
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Aug 13, 2015 08:21
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Quidnose posted:The strangest callout since I've already shown that TT's opinion on the sabotage element has changed from "definitely not" to "almost certainly." What? My opinion has been from the start, consistently, that it wasn't sabotaged. The entirety of my posting today is trying to convince people that isn't what occurred. Are you confusin me with someone else?
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Aug 13, 2015 08:24
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Quidnose posted:Why do you know that to be false? What told you that was not how the event worked? I know it's not false because I am not scum, and the hypo is dependent on mithross going into the event with me and Asii both scum
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Aug 13, 2015 08:25
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I'm trying to disprove the incorrect premise that opop is going to use to kill either Asii or me There could very well be a sabotage mechanic but in no application of said mechanic I can think of does it make sense that a scum sabotaged this past mission And what do you mean "so much time" It's d1 and we're a mile from deadline, I'm talking about something that actually happened rather than fabricating :masterstroke:s out of things that didn't happen
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Aug 13, 2015 08:30
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Quidnose posted:I guess in reviewing Asiina is the one who flat out said "this is a possibility" and I thought you had said that since you're both loving potatoes right now but you have consistantly been dancing around the idea and floating hypothesis you don't believe to be true which is a waste of time and a distraction. Why do it? What do you gain? It's all we have to go on right now, and I don't think mechanics talk is worthless if it doesn't preclude scum hunting. I think focusing on me/moth/asii will do that. I think it's only reasonable to assume the scum would know if they sabotage events or not. I don't have any confirmation of it but by the same token I don't have confirmation that scum have a nightkill either and yet I'm going to operate as if I have confirmed proof they do
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Aug 13, 2015 08:32
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Mithross posted:I also never said I was megapowered, just have a different bonus. What does this even mean, though? Do you know how events are calculated?
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Aug 13, 2015 08:33
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I'm gonna go to bed at 3:40 and nothing will stop me
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Aug 13, 2015 08:35
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Yeah, I see that, but I'm asking if you have any information that could help determine what happened
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