CLAM DOWN posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwjj4e1VRfc

Starfleet Dental is here and Dear Leader leads us unto the Abyss!

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/SFD

Website: https://www.starfleetdental.com
Forums (to join up): http://www.starfleetdental.com/GW2/Forums/
SA Thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3543904
Star Citizen Org Page: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/SFD

Chris Roberts The Creator Blesses Us!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tpNpBDOMaM

And Dear Leader Himself brings us advice on the dangers of spaceship addiction!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZHElERa0JA

Troll Bridgington posted:

Eonwe is cool and good

Blazing Zero posted:

help me decide: mortgage payment or the latest LTI ship

Eonwe posted:

ok I added a line to the top of the OP

namaste

Cowcaster posted:

As forum moderator who takes their responsibilities very seriously I refuse to gather any appropriate context or information about this Star Citizen poo poo but my gut feeling is telling me to ban SC Druggie and Seraph84 repeatedly

Cpt Underpants posted:

Finally got to watch the Gamescon presentation. I'm timezonally challenged and was busy this weekend, plus who can take more than a few minutes at a time of this drivel?

Time for some RealTalk™. Star Citizen, at its current finance level can not deliver. I actually agree with Doctor Derek Smart here that SC as promised is at least a 150m game. Having said that, what I've seen in the presentation has given me the slightest glimmer of hope it will actually come out at some point and an inkling of positivity towards the project.

My biggest complaint at this stage is that they're doing the smart business thing. They're holding poo poo back for a polished marketing release rather than keeping backers up to date as promised. That alone may actually mean they get to the revenue target to get the game out the door.

I deeply regret how much money I've put into this game, I'm currently at a net spend of about $150 from an original outlay of nearly $700. If I had my time over without knowing about the grey market, I would have bought in at $35, sold that for $100 and bought another $35 non-LTI package. Needless to say, I'm very unlikely to put in another cent to this project unless I can be guaranteed to make money from it.

The Star Citizen community has some of the biggest shitlords I've ever encountered in any community in the >25 years I've been on the internet. It also has some extremely chillbros who almost make up for it.

If this game delivers as promised, teamwork is going to be OP as gently caress. Find a group which gets along with each other. I don't care if that is Goonrathi, Starfleet Dental or even TEST. If they work well as a group they'll have a huge domination in the game.

Tears: Guaranteed. Either the game will die in a fire fuelled by the tragedy of a million space nerds ~OR~ it will be so dependent on teamwork so badly that solo players will be a waiting to happen.

quote:

Alright so, I talked to @DiscoLando-CIG at gamescom booth Saturday.
(Hi Disco, I'm the annoying bearded French guy. It was cool to speak with you)

He talked about a few interesting stories, but I specifically asked about the Cutlass.
I'll try not to forget anything, but don't quote me on this it's all not-so-fresh memory in a foreign language.

He couldn't tell if the global maximum speed would be implemented as it was a design question.

He also agreed that ship should still match their original role.

Before going into the Cutlass part, I need to talk about modularity and the Constellation example he used.
He said the ship would be segmented in several part (e.g: cockpit, middle, cargo bay, engine. Or something similar). Each of those part will have hardpoints tied to them and you'd be able to mix them up.
For example if you want the Aquila cockpit attached to your Andromeda you can and it will have the Aquila hardpoints. He also cited a component with bigger engine that would allow to go faster but with other drawbacks.

So first I asked him about the thread being ignored and that it was maybe the biggest issue with the Cutlass debacle.
He didn't acknowledge that we were being ignored and seemed to consider that the few comments we got from RtV was enough communication. I don't agree with this but I won't blame him either.

He confirmed that it was the old model in the demo and more importantly, explained a little why it was used that way when I told him Cutlass owners were disheartened by such representation.
Thing is they needed a ship to transport troops and do the whole EVA boarding and the Cutlass is the only one that had the size and was ready for that usage. Basically, they only have 3 multi-crew ships flyable at the moment and the Retaliator and Constellation already had their roles planned.

Last but not least, he said that they couldn't really talk about the rework until it was finished. He said that the variants were an obsolete system and that everything would be modular. That we would be able to mix and match the different components and that yes, if we wanted one we'd be able to make a fast and agile Cutlass or other examples.
(I can't for the live of me remember the other ones. I kinda blanked when he cited this one. Maybe Stealth and Dropship, I don't know)

Anyway. I'd really wait for the rework release before melting/CCUing a Cutlass.
I'm still not convinced it will be what we hoped for, but it might be a worthwhile ship to keep.
If only they would give us some information / direction on that drat rework.

Octopode posted:

I'm not sure that system is going to apply to all ships with variants. It sounds more like that is the planned system for those ships that are designed to be modular, like the redesigned Cutlass, Constellation, and the Retaliator (and likely those going forward), but not necessarily like it will be implemented for all the older ships with unique-hull variants like the 300 series or the Aurora that aren't necessarily slated for modular conversion.

Dusty Lens posted:

Variants not being some kind of fixed tier thing is good. Though I really doubt that CIG will push their primary milking mechanism for wringing a few more dollars out of people who've bought ships that are suddenly terrible without a second infusion of cash off a cliff while their income to outgo disparity is so high this far away from release.

Kalenn Istarion posted:

So what happened to the old thread? There was 30 pages of posts in 2 days and then this.

Dusty Lens posted:

I feel like the real next cashcow is going to be hangar modularity around when the social module comes out. Org armory. Org fuel depo. Org rooms. Org orgy salon.

All of the things that you'll want to have on hand so you don't have to ever go outside.

Eonwe posted:

does someone want to take the OP of the old thread and remove the timg tags for me and PM it to me

im at work so otherwise it wont happen for like 8 more hours

Gerbil_Pen posted:

I think the Avenger was the smallest ship with internal modularity slated for it. The hornet has all external mods.

Eonwe posted:

OK OP is fixed as I think I can bother to fix

SelenicMartian posted:

Will there be sex griefing?

Eonwe posted:

im glad of everything that has happened

AP posted:

There's a major element of fun you can't quantify from a game description or a list of game mechanics. For me, MWO had it pre HSR, pre sniperageddon/ghostheat, and that somehow, against all odds, happened with involved so I'm not ruling anything out.

xanif posted:

I wouldn't count on it. When I said "most people" I didn't mean to include the brown sea.

The die hards are still looking at the social module demo and are convinced that it's the best thing they have every seen.

I don't know what I expected from the FPS stuff. They are performing mocap on video game devs to model their soldier animations. What a horrid idea.

I am in the minority that is actually really looking forward to crewing a ship rather than flying it for the same reason I liked playing engineer in guns of icarus; I like support roles. That is, actual relevant multicrew tasks rather than the bullshit "mix a drink' stuff that they've been trying to shoehorn in as of late.

On the flip side, I don't understand the universal loathing that goons display towards people who sink more than the minimum amount of money into this game. The attitudes of "This is the last game I will ever need to play" or "There is absolutely no way this game won't literally suck my dick while I play it" are certainly laughable, but is the concept that some people have more money than free time to grind so fundamentally offensive that it requires shunning?

CrazyLoon posted:

I honestly shudder at the thought, that I was seriously considering going to one of the Star Citizen meets a year or 2 ago, and actually meeting this many broken people in one place. Hell, so long as keeps being 'in charge' of the community, every neckbeard will keep taking their cue from him and this is pretty much the main feature one can expect from these meets.

Gwaihir posted:

The Cutlass is a good ship.

G0RF posted:

I just saw your post on RSI- without realizing you were the author.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustri...cuss-why#latest

At first I was like, "drat, this seems too lucid for an RSI post..."

Then I saw your reply to it in comments, and thought, "Beer is weighing in, this might be a productive conversation, until it gets shut down."

Then I scrolled back up and realized you were the OP, too.

Now reading the Wikipedia entry about "The Charge of the Light Brigade" for some reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade_(poem)

Truga posted:

I always find it funny how some backers actively want to get screwed by CIG's dumb systems.

Eonwe posted:

this is the thread you all deserve but one day Beer will come back to you and make a thread and you'll be grateful

Cpt Underpants posted:

PAX Australia last year was quite a lot of fun. Met some goons, made some new friends, experienced some people so angry IRL about goons they quivered, and got to stand within 5 metres of Chris Roberts!

Seriously though, a lot of these basement-dwellers really looked uncomfortable when you just walk up to one and introduce yourself. Something tells me they're far more used to hiding behind a keyboard than actually communicating face to face with another living human being.

Sarsapariller posted:

Eonwe posted:

i hope you guys like the placement

Cowman posted:

Early Access makes me wary. Is it the type of EA where it's got a lot of the game and is a lot of fun or the type that's a buggy mess and the devs will give up on it?

Angela Christine posted:

When does the seal clubbing module launch?

Mirificus posted:

What happened?

quote:

16:13:55 CIG Calix Reneau so bounty hunting is a matter of tracking a target. If you can't get the drop on them, you might indeed need to bring a fast wingman to help catch the target, but that's on you
16:16:17 CIG Calix Reneau no, pirates are supposed to go after fat slow targets
16:16:38 CIG Calix Reneau bounty hunters are supposed to track down targets and sneak up on them
16:17:03 CIG Calix Reneau and medics are just supposed to provide on location assistance and transport to a hospital

Gum posted:

four years and 87 million dollars and you guys still have no idea how this game is supposed to work

Sarsapariller posted:

It is remarkably similar to the Mechwarrior Online development cycle, in this respect.

CrazyLoon posted:

I can promise you 100%, that things in this regard will turn out very different from CR's 'vision'. I mean, sure, you have dumbass wannabe pirates like seraph over here, who want to get a goddamn Bengal and think that this'll automatically make them the best pirates evah, or others that'll insist on flying a Cutlass even if it turns out to be a steaming pile of poo poo, but then you have folks like me who are willing to adapt around whatever comes and very carefully sperg about the points of CIG's overall strategy that matter (the ones that, like I said, Tony Zurovec who is in charge of the PU design laid out during his extensive thoughts at the Townhall, where he described in detail about how he'd like to see piracy function in the PU).

So what we'll wind up with, eventually, is an overall idea by CIG of how they'd like it all to work, probably several game systems that will (in a better or worse manner) work towards that idea and, finally, they'll have a list of ships that they think should fit those roles. Except, of course, while their spreadsheets will tell them that the Cutlass should TOTALLY be able to perform this or that function, folks like me will just test the ships with our buddies and what you might find in the end is a fuckton more fast freelancer craft with boarding modularity + pirate skins escorted by skull and crossbones Super Hornets, like what I have. Of course it doesn't have to be these ships - for all I know Xi'an fighters might wind up being our mainstay, heh, but I guarantee you that by the end, whether this game turns out to be good or poo poo or turns out to be completed at all, there'll be a mockery of CIG's 'this should be the role of this ship' ideas.

Primarly because:

1.) They are apparently going hog-wild implementing modularity in a number of mid-sized ships. Now, I'm not naive enough to think this'll be a magic cure-all, but it does open the door to a lot of experimenting on our part and for things to go beyond CIG's (and carebear) control easily.
2.) They have proven themselves to have next to no QA department (or it is incompetent), so of course all they can do is have their sperg theories and grand designs and leave it to the players to prove them right or wrong.
3.) They're an unimaginative lot, really. Not necessarily CIG (though in the case of the LA studio that definitely is being proven more and more every day), but the carebears. So either they'll murder the whole game with overtly draconic mechanics and rules (which kinda goes counter to CR's stated goal of total 'immersion'), or they'll always be one step behind pirate and griefer players until they actually stop being cheapskates and hire a permanent and solid QA department.

LCL-Dead posted:

gently caress a cutlass, give me the Redeemer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1i7Lva_nJM

Gerbil_Pen posted:

homemade burgers and dogs are better than anything you can buy. Stop being lazy.

Syd Syko posted:

But wasn't that were the insurance ~reasons~ was supposed to kick in and balance that out to stop "rifter idiots" (Eve term, long story, don't ask) from treating ships like disposable commodities?

AP posted:

In addition to Illfonic, the below three had their own sections on the last monthly report.

Behaviour Interactive
Turbulent
Moon Collider

I also believe that Chris Roberts is involved with three legally separate companies, Roberts Space Industries, Cloud Imperium Games & Foundry 42 which I'm sure has tax advantages. Illfonic has/had some kind of tax break, similar in Canada (Behaviour Interactive & Turbulent) plus the UK (Moon Collider & F42) has/had tax breaks for gaming companies too. I'm sure even now it's very complicated to follow the money.

AP posted:

Some guy made a history of the Cutlass development post and I'm reposting it here because :-
a, I found it funny and b, I might want to find it again in two years.


The Cutlass was outsourced?