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awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005



Pillbug

nielsm posted:

For gaming, DirectX 12 would be the main draw. But there probably isn't much reason for you to upgrade right now, especially not seeing some people still have trouble with graphics drivers.
Yeah, my gut feel was to upgrade whenever they do the equivalent of the SP1/8.1 release - 6 months down the track or so.
Thanks.

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Magnus Praeda
Jul 18, 2003
The largess in the land.

awesmoe posted:

Given that I am happy with windows 7 on a desktop pc primarily used for gaming, should I upgrade and if so why?

You've got a year and nothing requires DX12 yet, so wait and see? You don't lose anything by waiting and you don't have to deal with early adopter syndrome.

e:f,b

Shumagorath
Jun 5, 2001


nielsm posted:

If you have said yes to reserve, then it will upgrade automatically!

If you have "reserved" and don't want to upgrade just yet, go and cancel the reservation.
Thanks! I've been debating scrapping the machine anyway but as a file server it's one of those things I only apply security updates to.

biznatchio
Mar 31, 2001



Buglord

awesmoe posted:

Given that I am happy with windows 7 on a desktop pc primarily used for gaming, should I upgrade and if so why?

If you've got an NVidia card, you'll get marginally better framerates on Windows 10 than Windows 7 on pre-DX12 games. The FPS improvement really came in Windows 8, but if you're coming from 7, it's new to you! ATI's drivers are a bit more hit-or-miss, especially in CrossFire setups.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007



awesmoe posted:

Given that I am happy with windows 7 on a desktop pc primarily used for gaming, should I upgrade and if so why?

Hold off for now, let the early adopters run through the dumb/weird problems first.
Incidentally, after upgrading my sound doesn't work anymore. All my drivers seem to be up to date?

Clockwork Sputnik
Nov 6, 2004

24 Hour Party Monster

Carrying over from the old thread, with regard to:

Clockwork Sputnik posted:

Augh. FINALLY got out of BIOS boot loop, using a properly formatted USB drive. Took a couple more hours sourcing all the drivers from the ASUS site to get most things up and running (wifi, audio drivers, etc). Started Ninite-ing everything in on this fresh clean install annnnnnnd...

Asus T200, OEM 8.1, Installed 10 from Microsoft site, and it hits me up for a product key when I try to change my background. "You need to activate your copy of windows before you can personallize your PC."

Easy enough, I download and fire up produkey and get my 8.1 key from C:\Windows.old\Windows\System32\config\SOFTWARE.

Error code: 0xC004C003
The Activation server determined the specified product key has been blocked



Researching this, apparently I'm going to have to reinstall 8.1 (how, exactly?) then wait again for win 10 to want to download, THEN reset the machine yet again.

Or, call Windows activation center and have them tell me the same thing.

Any other ideas?

and the suggestion:

Shumagorath posted:

If you call in you can most likely get a fix. I had Microsoft send me an entirely new Vista license when we lost the Dell disc for my brother's laptop and his OS was completely beyond live repair.

I called Microsoft and read the Absurdly Long String of Numbers at the robot, I was promptly connected with a nice lady and the following exchange occurred:

What product are you calling about?
-Windows 10

How can I help you?
-My copy of windows 10 asks me to activate despite having a valid copy of 8.1

OK. You need to wait 24 - 48 hours and the Activate Windows prompt in the corner of your screen will go away. Then you will be activated.
-So there is nothing wrong with my installation of Windows 10?

No Sir.
-Uhhhhhh okayyyyyyy Thank you.


I rather suspect I'll be calling them back in 48 hours with the same problem. Or, is the 9 groups of numbers I read to the machine a kind of serial number for my case, and it popped up on her CRM and said "processing this dudes activation, tell him to chill."?

And if they know that, why couldn't they just push activation from that point?

Ooooor more likely this is the tier 1 flip card, the equivalent of "ok, I'd like you to reboot your machine, please?"

Shumagorath
Jun 5, 2001


I should mention that when I got that new license it was after a weeks-long e-mail chain and then more time as the Vista disc fell between my inner and outer door

Unless you get locked out of Windows I'd say just chill.

TopherCStone
Feb 27, 2013

I am very important and deserve your attention


"Windows 10 phones home to Microsoft every time you search in your start menu"
This occurs even on Enterprise with Cortana and Bing disabled via the UI and via GPOs

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10037753

Any thoughts from people who know more about this/have screens big enough to view this massive image?

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007



YggiDee posted:

Hold off for now, let the early adopters run through the dumb/weird problems first.
Incidentally, after upgrading my sound doesn't work anymore. All my drivers seem to be up to date?

So I tried tracking down audio drivers and apparently Windows didn't like me unzipping a file or something, now I'm trapped in an infinite loop of restarts.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

I'm the tortoise in the race, but I'm a joyful tortoise.



I tried it again (that was what I used originally to try to upgrade) and now it doesn't even offer the choice to upgrade without entering a key. I would just contact Windows support but it's basically an infinitely long wait to actually talk to a human. I'll probably just stick to Windows 7 I guess, unless anyone else has an idea.

HappyCapybaraFamily
Sep 16, 2009

It's a beautiful day in GRORIOUS NIPPON

Grimey Drawer

GreenNight posted:

Someone said it was a bug in Teamviewer, so if you have that, uninstall and see if that helps.

For anyone else having TeamViewer waking up their computer, this has been resolved in version 10.0.45862 (released Aug 7 2015).

d0s
Jun 28, 2004



A cool thing in windows 10 is how it tells you to "tap" everything regardless if you're using a touchscreen or not. You'd think they'd be able to detect if you actually have a touchscreen or not and dynamically change the wording based on that but I guess that's too advanced for the bangladesh programmer sweatshop this thing came from. Maybe it's because I went straight to 10 from 7 but I'm finding this OS really lovely from a UI standpoint, though under the hood it seems like a lot has changed for the better.

I swear I'm not an Apple fanboy and they're not perfect but MS really needs to start stealing from them some more

My Win10 desktop



My Macbook Pro



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hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?

Eh, I feel like I can't ever find anything on a Mac whenever I have to use one. It'd probably be better if I used one more than like once a year.

ElrondHubbard
Sep 14, 2007



d0s posted:

I swear I'm not an Apple fanboy and they're not perfect but MS really needs to start stealing from them some more

ribbons

I use a number of Apple devices, but I prefer the Microsoft approach. Then again, I have a high tolerance for UI bs.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Windows 10 is pretty ok but the start menu is just not that cool. I sure hope they fix its limitations soon.

Rahu
Feb 14, 2009



Grimey Drawer

Question to anyone who has been using windows 10 for a bit.

The first thing I did after install was to go into the privacy options and turn off as much ~stuff~ as possible, including setting each 'modern' app to not run int the background. After a few days, it seems that several of these programs have re-enabled themselves to run in the background. I noticed this today when a desktop notification popped up telling me that i could get a month of free office from the 'Get Office' app.

Is there any way for me to actually turn this poo poo off?

DemonMage
Oct 14, 2004


What happens in the course of duty is up to you...


Depends. Some of it, like Defender, can only be turned off for a little while since there's no compelling reason not to run it or an alternative. What specific ones are you having trouble keeping off?

Quaint Quail Quilt
Jun 19, 2006


I dunno if this applies to plex, but I have a streaming thing called subsonic that works now after I did a "restore" refresh clean install thing. I have it run as a service and it works even without me entering a pin.

I had my gf turn my computer on for party music and it just worked with the monitor off and no passwords. Maybe it shouldn't have admin rights, but dang if that wasnt convenient.

Still no usb drivers from Asus and sound is missing software bells and whistles, but the increased speed and quality of life is pretty nice.

If drivers never work I will be modding or building a Linux ready machine soon when I get money again soon. Thanks for the free update, last chance Microsoft.

Rahu
Feb 14, 2009



Grimey Drawer

DemonMage posted:

Depends. Some of it, like Defender, can only be turned off for a little while since there's no compelling reason not to run it or an alternative. What specific ones are you having trouble keeping off?

I know defender is special, I meant things in this section of settings: http://i.imgur.com/Xqy3KtU.png

The two that turned on today were 'Get Office' and 'Photos'.

I've uninstalled get office because that seemed fairly worthless, but lacking another image viewer I can't really get rid of Photos. I'll keep an eye on it now and see how long it takes to re-activate itself.

Edit: get office reinstalled itself after a reboot, I cannot escape

Rahu fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2015 around 01:13

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

GreenNight posted:

Someone said it was a bug in Teamviewer, so if you have that, uninstall and see if that helps.

That was me in the previous thread and I was referring to S3 sleep for the whole machine, not monitor suspend or whatever.

quote:

For anyone else having TeamViewer waking up their computer, this has been resolved in version 10.0.45862 (released Aug 7 2015).

Awesome, thanks.

Rukus
Mar 13, 2007

Hmph.


croutonZA posted:

Is your lock screen set to show a picture or slideshow? If it's the latter, you could poke around Settings > Personalisation > Lock Screen > Advanced Slideshow Settings. There's some settings in there to do with turning off your screen.

This has really been bugging me and while my workaround still doesn't mimic exactly how it worked in Windows 8, it's better than before.

In Windows 8 if I locked the computer OR left it unlocked on the desktop, after exactly 15 minutes of inactivity it would sleep the monitor based on my Power Options setting (Good). On resume it would display the slideshow then any input would pull up the login screen. If I lock the computer it shows the slideshow for 15 minutes then sleeps the monitor (Also Good).

Stock Windows 10 it appears that there's another timer for the Lock Screen that's completely independent from the standard Power Options setting. In the new Settings, go to Personalization > Lock Screen > Advanced Slideshow Settings and you can see the "Turn off screen after slideshow has played for" with set intervals. So now what happens is after 15 minutes of inactivity it goes to the Lock Screen, THEN waits 30 minutes (shortest option) before sleeping the monitor. Kinda defeats the purpose of sleeping the monitor if it's going to run that long.

Luckily this can be overridden in the registry via "HKEY_USERS\%Your User String%\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Lock Screen". SlideshowDuration uses a hex value that you can modify to be much shorter. For example, 5 minutes would be 300 seconds + 000 at the end (three trailing zeroes are important) converted to hex is 7A120.

For myself Advanced Slideshow Settings still shows 30 minutes, but the duration did change. Now it will do one of two things:

If you lock the computer, it will turn off the screen exactly at 5 minutes (or whatever time you set), regardless of your Power Options setting. If the computer is left unlocked it will go through the Power Options timer to the Lock Screen, go through the Lock Screen timer, THEN sleeps the monitor.

tl;dr this is dumd and Microsoft needs to fix it.

sirbeefalot
Aug 24, 2004
Fast Learner.

Fun Shoe

My experience has been pretty smooth for the most part, but I came across an annoying bug(?) just now. Fallout New Vegas is crashy, this is nothing new, but one of its failure modes is a lock up, but not CTD. Used to be I'd three-finger salute and get the task manager up, and kill it to get back to the desktop in Win7. Just tried that for the first time in 10 and the fancy looking new task manager wouldn't show up over the black screen-sized window of FNV. Had to log out from the Ctrl+Alt+Del screen. I hope that was a fluke.

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 28, 2011


sirbeefalot posted:

My experience has been pretty smooth for the most part, but I came across an annoying bug(?) just now. Fallout New Vegas is crashy, this is nothing new, but one of its failure modes is a lock up, but not CTD. Used to be I'd three-finger salute and get the task manager up, and kill it to get back to the desktop in Win7. Just tried that for the first time in 10 and the fancy looking new task manager wouldn't show up over the black screen-sized window of FNV. Had to log out from the Ctrl+Alt+Del screen. I hope that was a fluke.

Set Task Manager to open over top of other Windows. That setting must've reset itself.

Edit:
This:

is what you want

Endymion FRS MK1 fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2015 around 05:15

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

Ten months later the
reactor is started.


d0s posted:

I swear I'm not an Apple fanboy and they're not perfect but MS really needs to start stealing from them some more

My Win10 desktop



My Macbook Pro


ribbons
Right-click all the icons you want and select "Add to quick access" - right-click quick access and press S, then right-click again and press N.

Now you have a strip of icons for the cut-down amount of tasks you really want and a menu to access everything else.

taiyoko
Jan 10, 2008



sirbeefalot posted:

My experience has been pretty smooth for the most part, but I came across an annoying bug(?) just now. Fallout New Vegas is crashy, this is nothing new, but one of its failure modes is a lock up, but not CTD. Used to be I'd three-finger salute and get the task manager up, and kill it to get back to the desktop in Win7. Just tried that for the first time in 10 and the fancy looking new task manager wouldn't show up over the black screen-sized window of FNV. Had to log out from the Ctrl+Alt+Del screen. I hope that was a fluke.

That's strange, I haven't had any crashing in game, even with my handful of mods. There's been a release of an updated 4gb patch, if you're not already using it. Also maybe check your video drivers?

Gorefluff
Aug 19, 2004
cuddly minotaur

So I goofed my upgrade by claiming and upgrading to Windows 10 days before upgrading my computer, and now of course Windows 10 won't activate. So far it's not really a big deal except for the grey "Activate Windows" overlay in the bottom right corner while I'm browsing or doing desktop work (goes away while gaming or watching movies full screen), but am I gonna get into a situation where Windows shuts down or stops letting me log in if I don't eventually activate it? Because I'm definitely not dropping $250 to get another key just because of a motherboard upgrade.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

Not activating Windows will usually put it into a limited functionality mode. I think along the lines of the "Starter" edition of XP: Limited screen resolution, no desktop wallpaper, limitation on number of running programs. It shouldn't completely lock you out.

If you still have the disc and key for your previous Windows version, you can try doing a fresh install, then let that activate, and do the upgrade again.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx


You have a gace period with full functionality before it locks down. There will be a timer displayed on the desktop.

eriddy
Jan 21, 2005

sixty nine lmao


I figured out why the app store kept popping up. It was related to my displayfusion software being dumb but the latest patch fixed it. Anyone running 3rd party dual monitor stuff on windows 10 should consider checking for updates so annoying stuff doesnt happen.

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009


TopherCStone posted:

"Windows 10 phones home to Microsoft every time you search in your start menu"
This occurs even on Enterprise with Cortana and Bing disabled via the UI and via GPOs

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10037753

Any thoughts from people who know more about this/have screens big enough to view this massive image?
I spent a bit of last night going through this in Wireshark and while it does indeed seem like 1 packet of some 1kb-range is sent each time, it's sent via https with tls1.2 and is therefore not whatever this image appears to show (I'm not sure what it's supposed to show, because it certainly doesn't send your search query - nor does it actually send data, it's merely grabbing some data; I suspect to keep the weather pane and other panes up-to-date), nor does it send the traffic to bing.com but rather to a non-specific address in 204.79.196.0/23 from my testing of several machines.
It also bears mentioning that Microsoft often keeps at least one connection alive over https to a given server, and that with svchost being what it is, you can never really know what they're doing.

D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2015 around 07:16

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014



Might've figured out the reason my mouse cursor keeps disappearing. Dunno.

I actually don't have a mouse. I use Joy2Key to turn my joystick's input into mouse and keyboard actions. I also use windows' keyboard-numpad-to-mouse function for more minute control, if I need it, which I toggle on and off with the num lock key.

The mouse disappears whenever I turn mousekeys off, and since the computer doesn't think I have a mouse plugged in, maybe it goes to tablet mode? I can still interact with things if I guess the mouse's position.

Sorta weird. I dunno.

Fufo
Apr 23, 2002

UNEXPECTED!

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

Interesting. Maybe I'll try reinstalling my Nvidia drivers later.

People have tried these things, with varying degrees of success:

-Disabling driver updates from Windows Update and manually installing the latest ones. Even if the numbers are the same, there's apparently some difference between the ones downloaded from nVidia and the ones WU installs for you.

-Rolling back to previous drivers, even if they don't explicitly support W10.

In any case, using DDU to completely remove drivers is a good precaution before doing any of those two things.

Good luck, none of them worked for me. I'm in the "I have to wait for a new driver to be released camp".

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


D. Ebdrup posted:

Microsoft often keeps at least one connection alive
WNS / Push notifications.

chia
Dec 23, 2005


Any ideas how to get Windows 10 to stop asking for my password/pin code after waking my tablet from sleep?

I've tried all the normal stuff: create a new power plan, check don't ask for password on resume, no screen savers etc but the password prompt just refuses to go away

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011


I have this weird issue that just popped up, when I hit the start button and enter a search string windows has all of a sudden decided to prioritize making a web search rather than searching my apps. It's weird cause this worked fine for a couple of days since I upgraded to 10 and now I noticed this weird new behavior. It's rather frustrating cause with how clunky the new 'all programs' menu now is I've come to rely on just searching for whatever I want to run and now I can't.

Anyone had something like this happen?

edit: oddly enough, seems to have resolved after another reboot. Now I just need to figure out why the mail client crashes all the time.

emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2015 around 09:30

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007



Fufo posted:

People have tried these things, with varying degrees of success:

-Disabling driver updates from Windows Update and manually installing the latest ones. Even if the numbers are the same, there's apparently some difference between the ones downloaded from nVidia and the ones WU installs for you.

-Rolling back to previous drivers, even if they don't explicitly support W10.

In any case, using DDU to completely remove drivers is a good precaution before doing any of those two things.

Good luck, none of them worked for me. I'm in the "I have to wait for a new driver to be released camp".

Forgot to chime in on my NVIDIA problems and how they got fixed.

I recently had to do not one but two Resets on my desktop. The first one was due to weird drivers causing multiple bugs, the second was because CrashPlan installed to the Program Files directory (NOT to its own folder) and somehow deleted multiple other programs when I tried to fix a server issue with it by uninstall/reinstalling.

Anyway, all of that aside:

When I did my Resets, I let Windows install whatever drivers it wanted. Then after that was done, I installed NVIDIA's Win 10 drivers for the 700 Series and it was fine afterwards.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012



emanresu tnuocca posted:


edit: oddly enough, seems to have resolved after another reboot. Now I just need to figure out why the mail client crashes all the time.

Speaking of the native mail client, anyone find a fix for gmail accounts breaking completely if you edit anything in the account settings?

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009


xylo posted:

WNS / Push notifications.
Sure, but my point is that if you're you can't know what else is sent over that established connection, unless you monitor it yourself 24/7.

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010


D. Ebdrup posted:

I spent a bit of last night going through this in Wireshark and while it does indeed seem like 1 packet of some 1kb-range is sent each time, it's sent via https with tls1.2 and is therefore not whatever this image appears to show
Because the person that took the image set up a local certificate and MitM.

quote:

(I'm not sure what it's supposed to show, because it certainly doesn't send your search query - nor does it actually send data, it's merely grabbing some data; I suspect to keep the weather pane and other panes up-to-date),
I don't want my OS sending back a notification every single time I touch the start menu. Anything more than occasional and purely statistical use information is too creepy for me.

quote:

nor does it send the traffic to bing.com but rather to a non-specific address in 204.79.196.0/23 from my testing of several machines.
PING bing.com (204.79.197.200) 56(84) bytes of data.

If it's in the bing.com range, using a bing.com host header, that sounds like bing.com to me.

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Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012



Dylan16807 posted:

Because the person that took the image set up a local certificate and MitM.

I don't want my OS sending back a notification every single time I touch the start menu. Anything more than occasional and purely statistical use information is too creepy for me.

PING bing.com (204.79.197.200) 56(84) bytes of data.

If it's in the bing.com range, using a bing.com host header, that sounds like bing.com to me.

The only answer is to cover yourself in tinfoil

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