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fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

Avenging Dentist posted:

Here's a weird question: in Windows 10, while it remembers the position of my various windows when I re-open an application, it won't let them open on the edges of the screen (except the top), so there's always like a 10px margin between the app window and the edge of the desktop. It wasn't like this in Win7. Is there a way to fix this? I just want to put some windows in the bottom right of my screen.

I recall having an issue with this when Windows 10 first came out back in 2015. In that case I found toggling the old Aero Snap behavior on and then back off caused it to stop having the problem. I think it's just called "Snap" under "Multitasking" in the Settings menu now.

# ? Jan 18, 2018 23:43

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 08:40

Avenging Dentist: Oct 1, 2005; oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

Hm, I tried futzing with those settings, but no dice. I'm not actually docking these windows; they're just regular, non-maximized windows.

# ? Jan 18, 2018 23:49

astral: Apr 26, 2004

Avenging Dentist posted:

Here's a weird question: in Windows 10, while it remembers the position of my various windows when I re-open an application, it won't let them open on the edges of the screen (except the top), so there's always like a 10px margin between the app window and the edge of the desktop. It wasn't like this in Win7. Is there a way to fix this? I just want to put some windows in the bottom right of my screen.

Best I was ever able to do was shrink the gap a bit:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Desktop\WindowMetrics

set PaddedBorderWidth to 0

Let me know if you find a full solution; it drove me crazy that someone, somewhere assumed nobody ever works with non-maximized/snapped windows.

# ? Jan 19, 2018 06:49

Ruflux: Jun 16, 2012

I think it has to do with the OS somehow expecting the old, thick-rear end Win 8 style window borders and thus leaving a margin about the size of those at the edges of the screen (except the top, which is I believe the same dimensions as it was in 8). It annoys the hell out of me since I have my browser set to max height, but not max width, for readability purposes.

# ? Jan 19, 2018 18:07

GreenNight: Feb 19, 2006; Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Anyone using Outlook 2016?

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/attachments-are-removed-when-forwarding-plain-text-emails-2c1d366d-52b3-45f1-97ec-1955f59107ef

We're seeing that here.

# ? Jan 19, 2018 22:54

Mr Shiny Pants: Nov 12, 2012

GreenNight posted:

Anyone using Outlook 2016?

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/attachments-are-removed-when-forwarding-plain-text-emails-2c1d366d-52b3-45f1-97ec-1955f59107ef

We're seeing that here.

We have this also, no fix as of yet. Sometimes you wonder if they even test stuff, forwarding attachments is not some random use-case I would think.

# ? Jan 19, 2018 23:21

dissss: Nov 10, 2007; I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Mr Shiny Pants posted:

We have this also, no fix as of yet. Sometimes you wonder if they even test stuff, forwarding attachments is not some random use-case I would think.

No, but (sadly) using plain text for email is

# ? Jan 19, 2018 23:27

Mr Shiny Pants: Nov 12, 2012

dissss posted:

No, but (sadly) using plain text for email is

Well we have some multifunctionals that send plain text emails, and people forward those to colleagues and the like, so it is pretty common where I work.

# ? Jan 19, 2018 23:58

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

dissss posted:

No, but (sadly) using plain text for email is

Why can't plain text be the default? Like sometimes I need to send a link or whatever but it really, really should be what people use 99% of the time.

# ? Jan 20, 2018 00:41

Worklurker: Jan 2, 2014

So my computer failed the latest windows 10 update, restored to previous version, now modern setup host is taking up 13% of my system memory and 17% of my cpu. Is this normal?

# ? Jan 20, 2018 03:36

bobfather: Sep 20, 2001; I will analyze your nervous system for beer money

Worklurker posted:

So my computer failed the latest windows 10 update, restored to previous version, now modern setup host is taking up 13% of my system memory and 17% of my cpu. Is this normal?

For Windows 10 all of that sounds absolutely normal.

# ? Jan 20, 2018 12:41

El Grillo: Jan 3, 2008; Fun Shoe

This is loving absurd but I can't find a guide on google: how can I pin multiple different folder shortcuts separately onto the start bar? I had it sorted on windows 7 even though it involved some fuckery to make them not all just go under one 'folder' icon, but I can't find how I did that.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 13:12

nielsm: Jun 1, 2009

El Grillo posted:

This is loving absurd but I can't find a guide on google: how can I pin multiple different folder shortcuts separately onto the start bar? I had it sorted on windows 7 even though it involved some fuckery to make them not all just go under one 'folder' icon, but I can't find how I did that.

You'll probably need a third party program, that can generate multiple application ID's that are distinct from File Explorer.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 13:57

Factor Mystic: Mar 20, 2006; Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

Or add them as toolbars

# ? Jan 21, 2018 14:46

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Just going to throw this out there, but the Start Menu pin area works really well for shortcuts for anything. I know most nerds completely ignore it but give it a try!

# ? Jan 21, 2018 17:21

mystes: May 31, 2006

El Grillo posted:

This is loving absurd but I can't find a guide on google: how can I pin multiple different folder shortcuts separately onto the start bar? I had it sorted on windows 7 even though it involved some fuckery to make them not all just go under one 'folder' icon, but I can't find how I did that.

Does making the shortcuts to "explorer [path]" instead of "[path]" work? I think I did something like that before on Windows 7, but I don't know if it works on windows 10 or not.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 17:24

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

mystes posted:

Does making the shortcuts to "explorer [path]" instead of "[path]" work? I think I did something like that before on Windows 7, but I don't know if it works on windows 10 or not.

Yes this works in Windows 10. Just make a shortcut to the folder you'd like, right-click the new shortcut, change the target to "explorer C:\xxxx" or whatever and it will let you pin it separately.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 17:33

John Murdoch: May 19, 2009; I can tune a fish.

So I upgraded to 1079 and thankfully nothing seemed to blow up, but now Firefox will randomly start chugging when I scroll through pages. And not with any real pattern - sometimes I can scroll down half the page and then it starts going wonky, other times it's like that from the word go, sometimes everything works just fine. Sometimes it'll randomly fix itself, other times that tab just stays chuggy. Seems to happen most often here on SA or on Youtube. Any ideas?

John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jan 21, 2018

# ? Jan 21, 2018 23:07

Nam Taf: Jun 25, 2005; I am Fat Man, hear me roar!

Honestly it�s probably Firefox. Consider rebuilding or just purging your Firefox profile if you can stomach it. Also run in safe mode and check extensions aren�t a problem.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 02:40

John Murdoch: May 19, 2009; I can tune a fish.

I was considering cross-posting in the FF thread, but it only started doing this after the update, so I'm just left curious exactly what the hell Windows did. It also ended up futzing with iTunes.

Edit: You know, I was going to scoff that it could be add-on related, because all I'm running is uBlock (okay and an extension that makes Tumblr suck less but that shouldn't be doing anything on SA or YT), but so far doing my usual browsing in safe mode hasn't had the slowdown kick in yet. :thunk:

Edit 2: Fingers crossed, but uninstalling and reinstalling uBlock seems to have gotten rid of it and SA feels a little more responsive in general.

Edit Thrice: Annnnd nope, not gone at all. It's maybe happening a bit less often now, given it took a good ten minutes to show up, but.

Final edit: Managed to find a random smattering of folks on /r/Firefox with the exact same problem and naturally none of them have any further follow up. However one of the things I did was go update my graphics drivers and the nvidia installer helpfully informed me that my previous driver version was None, so that's interesting....

John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Jan 22, 2018

# ? Jan 22, 2018 06:38

El Grillo: Jan 3, 2008; Fun Shoe

mystes posted:

Does making the shortcuts to "explorer [path]" instead of "[path]" work? I think I did something like that before on Windows 7, but I don't know if it works on windows 10 or not.

Last Chance posted:

Yes this works in Windows 10. Just make a shortcut to the folder you'd like, right-click the new shortcut, change the target to "explorer C:\xxxx" or whatever and it will let you pin it separately.

This is what I had been looking for - thanks guys - but it turns out it didn't work for me in Windows 10 for a 'my computer' shortcut because 'my computer' is now 'This Computer' and I couldn't find a directory address to actually point it to (and tried everything but no dice).

What did work was clicking and dragging 'This PC' from explorer onto the desktop, which created a shortcut - then pinning that shortcut to the start bar. :confuoot:

# ? Jan 22, 2018 12:33

nielsm: Jun 1, 2009

You know File Explorer in Win 10 has a preference for which folder to start in, right? Choice between Quick Access and This Computer. View toolbar, Settings, top of the first tab.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 13:06

mystes: May 31, 2006

You can also create a shortcut to My Computer using the extremely intuitive and obvious method of using "explorer ::{20d04fe0-3aea-1069-a2d8-08002b30309d}" as the location.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 13:13

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

John Murdoch posted:

So I upgraded to 1079 and thankfully nothing seemed to blow up, but now Firefox will randomly start chugging when I scroll through pages. And not with any real pattern - sometimes I can scroll down half the page and then it starts going wonky, other times it's like that from the word go, sometimes everything works just fine. Sometimes it'll randomly fix itself, other times that tab just stays chuggy. Seems to happen most often here on SA or on Youtube. Any ideas?

I had the same issue with Firefox, when I checked it was constantly pegging my CPU during these periods. I only had 2 extensions installed, uBlock and Lastpass. I ended up disabling them both, trying a new profile. This worked for awhile but the behavior came back. I finally had enough and switched to Chrome, its obviously some issue with FF or the extensions themselves but I don't have the issue in Chrome so /shrug.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 16:06

John Murdoch: May 19, 2009; I can tune a fish.

The Gunslinger posted:

I had the same issue with Firefox, when I checked it was constantly pegging my CPU during these periods. I only had 2 extensions installed, uBlock and Lastpass. I ended up disabling them both, trying a new profile. This worked for awhile but the behavior came back. I finally had enough and switched to Chrome, its obviously some issue with FF or the extensions themselves but I don't have the issue in Chrome so /shrug.

After a bunch of testing and mucking around, it doesn't seem to happen in safe mode, but isn't related to any addons or hardware acceleration, and I'm using the default theme. Checking FF's data, the only other things that don't appear in safe mode are: The Spectre fix (but that was pushed out at the start of the month, so it shouldn't be the cause), something called "Disable WMF Media v12" or similar, and then the full suite of WebGL stuff.

I looked at the task manager and there didn't seem to be a clear correlation with FF's resource use and the chugging, but I know there's apparently widespread reports of CPU spiking on the current build so I guess I just gotta wait and see if 58 fixes it like everyone else.

Edit: Nvm, now that I'm watching it like a hawk, FF's CPU usage is all the gently caress over the place. Not necessarily perfectly correlating to the performance drops but randomly going anywhere from 1% to 10% for no reason. Yeesh.

John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jan 22, 2018

# ? Jan 22, 2018 20:22

GreenNight: Feb 19, 2006; Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

A week or so ago Microsoft introduced a bug that stripped attachments when forwarding a plain text email. Well they came out with a fix:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4011123/january-22-2018-update-for-outlook-2016-kb4011123

But it's a manual patch and not available through WSUS. Cool.

# ? Jan 23, 2018 15:23

mystes: May 31, 2006

It's pretty cool that Windows 10 has an ssh server now, but it's stupidly annoying to set up and the process for some reason isn't documented except on a random MSDN blog post. It also inexplicably requires you to install an extra powershell module just to set the correct permissions on the host key:

quote:

To enable authentication into an SSH server on Windows, you first have to generate host keys. As an Administrator:

Start-Service ssh-agent

cd C:\Windows\System32\OpenSSH
.\ssh-keygen -A
# C:\Windows\System32\OpenSSH\ssh-keygen.exe: generating new host keys: ED25519
.\ssh-add ssh_host_ed25519_key
# Identity added: .\ssh_host_ed25519_key (User1@CONTOSO@LOCAL-HOSTNAME)
Due to certain security requirements, you will also have to install our OpenSSHUtils helper module to appropriately ACL your host keys. As an Administrator:

Install-Module -Force OpenSSHUtils

Repair-SshdHostKeyPermission -FilePath C:\Windows\System32\OpenSSH\ssh_host_ed25519_key

# Use A or Y as your response to the prompts to set file owners
Then you can start sshd and your server is ready to go:

Start-Service sshd

# This should return a Status of Running
Get-Service sshd
Note: currently only the built-in ED25519 authentication key type is supported. In the future, we plan to add support for LibreSSL which will enable additional authentication key types. In the meantime, you can experiment with LibreSSL builds on GitHub.

You may also need to add a firewall rule like this one that allows traffic on port 22 (though your requirements may vary based on your environment, e.g. Domain might be Private):

New-NetFirewallRule -Name sshd -DisplayName 'OpenSSH Server (sshd)' -Service sshd -Enabled True -Direction Inbound -Protocol TCP -Action Allow -Profile Domain

However, once you've done all that it's pretty cool. It's also easier than trying to get powershell remoting working from linux -> windows which is a completely incomprehensible process.

# ? Jan 25, 2018 01:51

Hulebr00670065006e: Apr 20, 2010

I have a hard time getting to UEFI/BIOS. Boots too fast to hit F2, DEL on the way (have tried to disable fast boot in windows but it didn't change anything). I looked on the interwebs and people say to go to advanced startup (shift + reboot). I get to the advanced startup alright and go to troubleshooting > advanced but there is no UEFI/BIOS option, just an option to boot in to safemode and stuff like that in its place. Last time I needed to get to the BIOS I physically unplugged my boot drive and set my storage drive as boot drive if I needed to go back and forth between BIOS and windows but that is annoying to do. Any ideas why I don't have that option in advanced startup? Any ideas for alternatives?

Motherboard is ASUS Z170M-PLUS if that has anything to do with me not having the option in advanced startup.

Hulebr00670065006e fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jan 25, 2018

# ? Jan 25, 2018 17:39

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

El Grillo posted:

This is what I had been looking for - thanks guys - but it turns out it didn't work for me in Windows 10 for a 'my computer' shortcut because 'my computer' is now 'This Computer' and I couldn't find a directory address to actually point it to (and tried everything but no dice).

What did work was clicking and dragging 'This PC' from explorer onto the desktop, which created a shortcut - then pinning that shortcut to the start bar.

# ? Jan 25, 2018 17:42

nielsm: Jun 1, 2009

Hulebr00670065006e posted:

I have a hard time getting to UEFI/BIOS.

e:nm

# ? Jan 25, 2018 17:48

wolrah: May 8, 2006; what?

mystes posted:

It's pretty cool that Windows 10 has an ssh server now, but it's stupidly annoying to set up and the process for some reason isn't documented except on a random MSDN blog post. It also inexplicably requires you to install an extra powershell module just to set the correct permissions on the host key:

However, once you've done all that it's pretty cool. It's also easier than trying to get powershell remoting working from linux -> windows which is a completely incomprehensible process.

I also had to grand SSHD an additional permission as noted here: https://github.com/PowerShell/Win32-OpenSSH/issues/770#issuecomment-308947421

Otherwise the service wouldn't start.

Now to figure out how to change the default shell, why they'd decide to make it load to cmd.exe by default I have no idea. No one who's using this is going to be tied to cmd legacy stuff, it should be going to Powershell by default with an option to use bash instead if installed.

# ? Jan 25, 2018 18:37

Amppelix: Aug 6, 2010

My new laptop has been installing an update all day. That's pretty much expected but what's infuriating me is that about half of the time has been spent on the last ten percents of the progress bar. Every percent achieved slows it down and now it's been 3 hours on 99% (to the point that I'm now going to sleep and hoping nothing explodes). And bars like this are pretty common with Windows. There has to be a reason, right? I'd rather there was no indicators at all besides "we're still working on it" if it's going to be this useless. That would lessen the feeling that the designers are actually attempting to annoy their users.

I know, incredibly petty complaint.

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:30

Squatch Ambassador: Nov 12, 2008; What? Never seen a shaved Squatch before?

Hulebr00670065006e posted:

I have a hard time getting to UEFI/BIOS. Boots too fast to hit F2, DEL on the way (have tried to disable fast boot in windows but it didn't change anything). I looked on the interwebs and people say to go to advanced startup (shift + reboot). I get to the advanced startup alright and go to troubleshooting > advanced but there is no UEFI/BIOS option, just an option to boot in to safemode and stuff like that in its place. Last time I needed to get to the BIOS I physically unplugged my boot drive and set my storage drive as boot drive if I needed to go back and forth between BIOS and windows but that is annoying to do. Any ideas why I don't have that option in advanced startup? Any ideas for alternatives?

Motherboard is ASUS Z170M-PLUS if that has anything to do with me not having the option in advanced startup.

If your motherboard was set to boot in Legacy(BIOS) mode when Windows was installed it would have installed with an MBR partition table, which means Windows won't be able to access UEFI settings. AFAIK you'd need to reinstall Windows if you change the boot mode to UEFI, which is sorta moot if you can't get into settings to begin with.

The Pause button on the keyboard will pause the initial boot / self-check phase. Maybe that could be useful? Also making sure the keybaord is plugged directly in to one of the back USB ports can help. I've seen cases where the keyboard doesn't work with the BIOS if you're using extended(front) USB ports or a USB hub.

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:56

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

You don't need to reload Windows to change to EFI mode:

code:

Windows� 10 Creators Update x64 (Version 1703, Build 10.0.15063) or later.
A computer able to boot UEFI. In the BIOS setup, you should see options for UEFI boot. Confirm with your computer manufacturer for specific support.
Instructions:

Open Command Prompt with administrator privileges
Issue the following command: mbr2gpt.exe /convert /allowfullOS
Shut down and boot into your BIOS
Change your settings to UEFI mode
Alternatively, you may run this command from within the recovery environment:

Boot to the Windows* Recovery Environment and start the Command Prompt console.
Press the Windows key and I key simultaneously to open Settings
Select Update & Security
Recovery
Select Restart now under Advanced startup
Troubleshoot
Advanced Options
Command Prompt
It may prompt you to select a user account and type in a password
Issue convert command: mbr2gpt.exe /convert
Restart your computer and boot into your UEFI BIOS
Change BIOS setting from Legacy to UEFI mode

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:59

Factor Mystic: Mar 20, 2006; Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

wolrah posted:

Now to figure out how to change the default shell

https://github.com/PowerShell/Win32-OpenSSH/wiki/Install-Win32-OpenSSH look for DefaultShell

# ? Jan 26, 2018 01:38

Hulebr00670065006e: Apr 20, 2010

redeyes posted:

You don't need to reload Windows to change to EFI mode:

code:

Windows� 10 Creators Update x64 (Version 1703, Build 10.0.15063) or later.
A computer able to boot UEFI. In the BIOS setup, you should see options for UEFI boot. Confirm with your computer manufacturer for specific support.
Instructions:

Open Command Prompt with administrator privileges
Issue the following command: mbr2gpt.exe /convert /allowfullOS
Shut down and boot into your BIOS
Change your settings to UEFI mode
Alternatively, you may run this command from within the recovery environment:

Boot to the Windows* Recovery Environment and start the Command Prompt console.
Press the Windows key and I key simultaneously to open Settings
Select Update & Security
Recovery
Select Restart now under Advanced startup
Troubleshoot
Advanced Options
Command Prompt
It may prompt you to select a user account and type in a password
Issue convert command: mbr2gpt.exe /convert
Restart your computer and boot into your UEFI BIOS
Change BIOS setting from Legacy to UEFI mode

Alright I had an inkling that that legacy setting could be it. I will confirm when I get home. So If I am reading this right I do the following. Check that everything is good for this, mobo has UEFI option, that it is indeed in MBR and not GPT atm and my windows is up to date.
Since I can't get to bios without unplugging my boot drive do you think the following would work, Run the mbr2gpt.exe /convert /allowfullOS in CMD (as admin) > shutdown > unplug boot drive > change setting in BIOS > shutdown > plug it back in and boot? Changing the setting in BIOS shouldn't need the boot drive right?

e: Looks like it wont boot to windows until I have changed the MOBO setting anyways, so no need to unplug anything, ye?

Hulebr00670065006e fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Jan 26, 2018

# ? Jan 26, 2018 09:52

Hulebr00670065006e: Apr 20, 2010

Thx for the info guys. Worked like a charm. My storage drive is still MBR though, does it matter?

# ? Jan 26, 2018 16:09

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Hulebr00670065006e posted:

Thx for the info guys. Worked like a charm. My storage drive is still MBR though, does it matter?

No that doesn't matter.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 16:19

BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

Hulebr00670065006e posted:

Thx for the info guys. Worked like a charm. My storage drive is still MBR though, does it matter?

It's using the old partitioning style with a limit of 4 primary partitions and then however many extended inside of those (probably doesn't matter for you). I believe secure boot requires GPT and that's a good feature that you should be using now that you're in UEFI mode. There are some free tools to convert an MBR disk to GPT, I don't think windows can do it natively.

https://www.easeus.com/partition-master/convert-mbr-to-gpt-during-windows-installation.html

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Hulebr00670065006e: Apr 20, 2010

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

It's using the old partitioning style with a limit of 4 primary partitions and then however many extended inside of those (probably doesn't matter for you). I believe secure boot requires GPT and that's a good feature that you should be using now that you're in UEFI mode. There are some free tools to convert an MBR disk to GPT, I don't think windows can do it natively.

https://www.easeus.com/partition-master/convert-mbr-to-gpt-during-windows-installation.html

I can't just format it? it's physically a separate drive. In any case I don't have any partitions on it. Just one big block.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 17:01

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