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astral
Apr 26, 2004



namlosh posted:

Look in the View part of the explorer menu ribbon. They actually made this easier in the latest version (2004). You used to have to go to “Folder Options”

It's been there for a while; it's not new to 2004. Definitely convenient.

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Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


astral posted:

It's been there for a while; it's not new to 2004. Definitely convenient.

Shame they had to remove the "Map Network drive" stuff and made it context sensitive so that it only works in some places....

GeorgieMordor
Jan 23, 2015


How does one disable the login screen in Windows 10 these days?

After a fresh Windows 10 install, my User Accounts panel no longer has a checkbox for 'Users must enter a name and password to use this computer.'

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

GeorgieMordor posted:

How does one disable the login screen in Windows 10 these days?

After a fresh Windows 10 install, my User Accounts panel no longer has a checkbox for 'Users must enter a name and password to use this computer.'

Start then Run and type control userpasswords2 and hit enter.

GeorgieMordor
Jan 23, 2015


GreenNight posted:

Start then Run and type control userpasswords2 and hit enter.

Hmm, thanks though this just opens the same User Accounts window, still without the 'Users must enter a name and password to use this computer.' checkbox.

It's not grayed out / disabled either. It's just completely gone.

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 28, 2011



GeorgieMordor posted:

How does one disable the login screen in Windows 10 these days?

After a fresh Windows 10 install, my User Accounts panel no longer has a checkbox for 'Users must enter a name and password to use this computer.'

https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-10...-user-password/

Is this what you're looking for? I can never remember how to bypass passwords on a new install so I always have to Google it

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

GeorgieMordor posted:

Hmm, thanks though this just opens the same User Accounts window, still without the 'Users must enter a name and password to use this computer.' checkbox.

It's not grayed out / disabled either. It's just completely gone.

I’m running 2004 and I get that so I have no idea. Are you running Home?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


With 2004 you have to disable Windows Hello to get the checkbox for no password to show up on that control panel. Windows hello being their biometrics logon system. GreenNight must have already done that.


Also this utility will turn on bypassing the logon screen entirely, if you have multiple user accounts but still want one of them to load immediately to desktop when you turn on the PC that's the best way.

GeorgieMordor
Jan 23, 2015


Endymion FRS MK1 posted:

https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-10...-user-password/

Is this what you're looking for? I can never remember how to bypass passwords on a new install so I always have to Google it

I thought it was, but the steps about disabling the login are not present on my machine. I can give my account no password, though I still get a "Sign in" button in Windows on boot that I need to click to get to desktop.

GreenNight posted:

I’m running 2004 and I get that so I have no idea. Are you running Home?

Yes, I'm running Home v2004.

EDIT: Ok, so it's this:

https://betanews.com/2019/11/28/no-...0-version-2004/

GeorgieMordor fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jun 14, 2020

i vomit kittens
Apr 25, 2019




Is there any way to install WSL distros somewhere other than the C drive? I just got a new NVMe and now that I have a 256 GB SATA drive that is pretty much a spare I was wondering if I could make it a dedicated place for WSL poo poo

e: it's WSL2 if that makes a difference

i vomit kittens fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jun 16, 2020

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

Does anyone know how to change the delay between the display turning off due to inactivity and Windows locking itself? I can set the inactivity delay before the screen turns off no problem, but no matter what I do Windows 10 will lock itself after a couple seconds of screen off, while in previous editions I could set it to say a minute.

Trying to Google the issue just gives me a whole lot of junk from people who want to disable the inactivity lock entirely, which isn't what I'm looking for. I want Windows to lock itself, I just want more than a couple seconds to wake the screen before it locks if I happen to be spending time on my phone or something.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


isndl posted:

Does anyone know how to change the delay between the display turning off due to inactivity and Windows locking itself? I can set the inactivity delay before the screen turns off no problem, but no matter what I do Windows 10 will lock itself after a couple seconds of screen off, while in previous editions I could set it to say a minute.

Trying to Google the issue just gives me a whole lot of junk from people who want to disable the inactivity lock entirely, which isn't what I'm looking for. I want Windows to lock itself, I just want more than a couple seconds to wake the screen before it locks if I happen to be spending time on my phone or something.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials...ndows-10-a.html

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE


With my power plan set to screen off after 10 minutes of inactivity, Win10 still locks itself almost immediately despite that policy being set to 660 seconds.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.


I think there's a separate setting *somewhere* that forces a lock when the screen turns off.

e: poked around, and couldn't find it. might've been something from Win7 that has since vanished into the ether and made baseline

Ofecks fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jun 17, 2020

biznatchio
Mar 31, 2001



Buglord

Start > type "sign in options" > Change the value of "Require sign-in" from "When PC wakes up from sleep" to "Never". Yes, your PC isn't going fully to sleep just from the screen turning off, but it's covered under the same setting.

That will make it so just the screen turning off won't require a sign in. Then you should be able to separately configure your screen saver interval and configure the screen saver to require a sign in after it activates.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

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biznatchio posted:

Start > type "sign in options" > Change the value of "Require sign-in" from "When PC wakes up from sleep" to "Never". Yes, your PC isn't going fully to sleep just from the screen turning off, but it's covered under the same setting.

That will make it so just the screen turning off won't require a sign in. Then you should be able to separately configure your screen saver interval and configure the screen saver to require a sign in after it activates.

That's definitely not how it works. I have sign-in required when PC wakes from sleep, and the monitor power save alone never needs it. Default settings for this stuff are that you only have to log in after boot, actual PC sleep, or manually locking.

But also, if someone has turned on the screensaver lock presumably they are in a situation where security of their PC matters. So disabling lock after sleep is a terrible idea.


My suggestion since that link didn't work is to just raise the delay for the screen turning off. LED monitors are fairly power efficient. In the advanced settings of the power plans you can set it to arbitrary # of minutes, so if 10 is too short but 15 is too long you can do 12.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003



Pillbug

So a new patch installed the new Edge Chromium version tonight. It works nice, but I feel absolutely stupid. I can't seem to drag a tab out to a second screen. It just flashes at me and doesn't do anything. If I right click on the tab and select "Move tab to new window" it works just fine. Is my poo poo broke or is this expected behavior? I'm back to using Chrome again because I drag tabs all over the place.

Edit: I just tried it now and it works. What the gently caress. Goddammit, Bill.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


Just curious, what's the main reason for feature updates taking so long to install?

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

Rinkles posted:

Just curious, what's the main reason for feature updates taking so long to install?

In theory, they're running extra backups and verification to ensure you don't end up with a brick after rebooting. In practice, who the gently caress knows.

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

RELY NOT ON MY HONOR!!! FOR WHEN I OFFER MY WORD OF BOND, I TAKE NOT THAT VOW TO HEART!! CASUALLY, I BRING SHAME TO MY HOUSEHOLD AND RUIN TO THOSE WHO RELY ON MY COMMITMENT, BY SHIRKING MY AVOWED DUTY

Because feature updates are essentially full reinstalls of Windows, not just updates to some existing files. Windows cycles through the whole setup process.

mystes
May 31, 2006



Fame Douglas posted:

Because feature updates are essentially full reinstalls of Windows, not just updates to some existing files. Windows cycles through the whole setup process.
Didn't they say they were changing feature updates to make them faster or something? Did that never happen?

mystes fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jun 18, 2020

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

RELY NOT ON MY HONOR!!! FOR WHEN I OFFER MY WORD OF BOND, I TAKE NOT THAT VOW TO HEART!! CASUALLY, I BRING SHAME TO MY HOUSEHOLD AND RUIN TO THOSE WHO RELY ON MY COMMITMENT, BY SHIRKING MY AVOWED DUTY

mystes posted:

Didn't they say they were changing feature updates to make them faster or something? Did that never happen?

It did happen, Windows now does most of the preparation work in the background before restarting, while the system is still running like normal and executing Windows Update. Before, Windows would do this after initiating a restart.

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010


mystes posted:

Didn't they say they were changing feature updates to make them faster or something? Did that never happen?
They changed fall 2019 to install as a normal update, and they're doing the same with fall 2020. So far the spring updates are still reinstalls.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

The v2004 update breaks Storage Spaces. I see that ditching QA keeps working out well.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

There's also apparently a new heap manager in v2004, that's not yet enabled by default, except for a few key system processes, and Chromium Edge. It apparently allowed to cut memory usage by up to 27% on said Edge. Chrome is about to enable it via a manifest entry in its installation. You can enable it globally by setting a registry key, which I figure might be interesting, with what every second application being CEF/Electron nowadays.

quote:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\
Session Manager\Segment Heap

Enabled = (DWORD)
0 : Disable Segment Heap
(Not 0): Enable Segment Heap
https://www.blackhat.com/docs/us-16...p-Internals.pdf

quote:

Microsoft explains that the latest update for Windows 10 introduces a new “SegmentHeap” value for developers, which is a modern heap implementation that “will generally reduce your overall memory usage” on Windows 10 version 2004 or newer. The company has confirmed that it has already started using the new value in its Chromium-based Edge browser, with early tests showing a memory reduction of up to 27% on the Windows 10 May 2020 update.
https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...ows-10-feature/

Apparently the old NT Heap shits itself with management structures over time, multiplied by the amount of logical CPU cores.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Combat Pretzel posted:

The v2004 update breaks Storage Spaces. I see that ditching QA keeps working out well.

Using storage spaces is a bad idea. From the very beginning even. Stablebit Drive Pool is where its at imo.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Bluetooth and 2004 seems not great. Once or 4 times a day my stuff will just stop working. Gotta shut off BT in windows, wait 2 minutes and then switch back on and magically everything is fine.

astral
Apr 26, 2004



Thank all of you brave and noble testers.

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Fame Douglas posted:

Because feature updates are essentially full reinstalls of Windows, not just updates to some existing files. Windows cycles through the whole setup process.

But full installs are actually pretty fast.

isndl posted:

In theory, they're running extra backups and verification to ensure you don't end up with a brick after rebooting. In practice, who the gently caress knows.

It’s mainly this.

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Combat Pretzel posted:

There's also apparently a new heap manager in v2004, that's not yet enabled by default, except for a few key system processes, and Chromium Edge. It apparently allowed to cut memory usage by up to 27% on said Edge. Chrome is about to enable it via a manifest entry in its installation. You can enable it globally by setting a registry key, which I figure might be interesting, with what every second application being CEF/Electron nowadays.

https://www.blackhat.com/docs/us-16...p-Internals.pdf

https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...ows-10-feature/

Apparently the old NT Heap shits itself with management structures over time, multiplied by the amount of logical CPU cores.

I want to try this. Am I understanding correctly that I add a dword value named "Enabled" to the key named Segment Heap?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Yeah. The key doesn't exist yet by default. I've enabled it, things haven't been crashing so far. Gonna do games tonight, we'll see then. I could swear Spotify and Discord use less RAM, tho.

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

RELY NOT ON MY HONOR!!! FOR WHEN I OFFER MY WORD OF BOND, I TAKE NOT THAT VOW TO HEART!! CASUALLY, I BRING SHAME TO MY HOUSEHOLD AND RUIN TO THOSE WHO RELY ON MY COMMITMENT, BY SHIRKING MY AVOWED DUTY

Hipster_Doofus posted:

But full installs are actually pretty fast.


It’s mainly this.

No, it's Windows creating a second full installation, reinstalling all drivers etc.

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables




College Slice

Has Microsoft changed how they roll out feature updates now?
I'm still on 1903 and had no pushes to update to 1907, if I looked at windows update it was there with a note saying it was ready for me whenever I was ready for it. As past updates had been shitshows, I pretty much decided to ignore it until it was pushed on me.
Except it never was, it's now showing that 2004 is available should I want it.
So, is 2004 safe to install? I've heard nothing about it.
I'm still getting updates for 1903, so maybe as it's still being supported that's why they aren't pushing feature updates.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

2004 has been fine on all the computers I’ve updated. A half dozen or so. I’ve really never had a problem with any of the feature updates and I tend to do them day one.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Ran into the first program hatin' on the new heap allocator in Windows. Google Earth Pro locks up.

i vomit kittens
Apr 25, 2019




fwiw I haven't had any problems with 2004 so far, even on my supposedly incompatible desktop which I accidentally installed it on after putting a new hard drive in (Windows update said it was incompatible, but the USB installer I made had other plans)

i vomit kittens fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Jun 20, 2020

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

RELY NOT ON MY HONOR!!! FOR WHEN I OFFER MY WORD OF BOND, I TAKE NOT THAT VOW TO HEART!! CASUALLY, I BRING SHAME TO MY HOUSEHOLD AND RUIN TO THOSE WHO RELY ON MY COMMITMENT, BY SHIRKING MY AVOWED DUTY

Helith posted:

Has Microsoft changed how they roll out feature updates now?
I'm still on 1903 and had no pushes to update to 1907, if I looked at windows update it was there with a note saying it was ready for me whenever I was ready for it. As past updates had been shitshows, I pretty much decided to ignore it until it was pushed on me.
Except it never was, it's now showing that 2004 is available should I want it.
So, is 2004 safe to install? I've heard nothing about it.
I'm still getting updates for 1903, so maybe as it's still being supported that's why they aren't pushing feature updates.

Support for 1903 ends in December.

fcc compliant bob
Jan 15, 2006

The must un-fantastic avitar on the forum (guranteed!)

I heard a rumor on the internet they're totally switching to Linux

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables




College Slice

Fame Douglas posted:

Support for 1903 ends in December.

I’ll set aside some time to update to 2004 this week then. The fact I’ve heard nothing about it means that there’s no major bugs associated with it.

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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009





Klyith posted:

If both PCs are relatively modern, you can probably just move the HD over, or clone it with reflect, and it will work. Even going between Intel and AMD isn't a problem if you're using standard hardware & drivers. Problems generally only happen when you have something like a RAID setup or other storage that requires a special driver at boot.

If you need to transfer the license as well, here's instructions for that.

thankyou, i ended up just plugging the old hdd into the new everything else and it worked fine, so far. didnt have to transfer any key at least not yet, just had to re-enter my wifi password for some reason.

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