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Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


2004 got queued for me the minute my defer setting expired, so I said what the heck and took it.

Trip report: everything fine. The only major settings that got reset were my wallpaper (why?) and "automatically download manufacturers' apps" (No). That second one has got reset more or less every big update, so no surprise there. No adware on the start menu, it didn't even restore the built-in apps I've removed like Your Phone and Bing News.

Rated 9/10, one of the nicest major updates yet in terms of not touching my poo poo.


Cool thing: Cortana now has a standard App Permissions menu so you can turn off microphone use and also the background app setting. That makes cortana fully quit if you've turned off the cortana taskbar box. It's as good as uninstalling it, pretty much.

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doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.



Yeah, I updated too. No issues yet. How long should I hold onto Windows.old? 'Bout a month?

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


doctorfrog posted:

Yeah, I updated too. No issues yet. How long should I hold onto Windows.old? 'Bout a month?
Windows should delete that automatically after 10 days.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


doctorfrog posted:

Yeah, I updated too. No issues yet. How long should I hold onto Windows.old? 'Bout a month?

It'll eventually be deleted automatically, so if you have no space limitations you could just ignore it.

(I always delete it after like three days of everything being fine, even though I also have no space limitations. Something about that "windows.old" folder just triggers my fingers to shift-del. If it hasn't poo poo its pants by then it's probably good.)

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

RELY NOT ON MY HONOR!!! FOR WHEN I OFFER MY WORD OF BOND, I TAKE NOT THAT VOW TO HEART!! CASUALLY, I BRING SHAME TO MY HOUSEHOLD AND RUIN TO THOSE WHO RELY ON MY COMMITMENT, BY SHIRKING MY AVOWED DUTY

If you want to remove it the "correct" way, run Disk Cleanup in "Clean up system files" mode. There, you will have the option to "remove the previous Windows installation"

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.



Thanks thread, I'll wait out the ten days just to see if MS does it properly.

MikusR
Jan 5, 2008


Klyith posted:

a now has a standard App Permissions menu so you can turn off microphone use and also the background app setting. That makes cortana fully quit if you've turned off the cortana taskbar box. It's as good as uninstalling it, pretty much.

Cortana now is an app that can actually be uninstalled without affecting search.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

MikusR posted:

Cortana now is an app that can actually be uninstalled without affecting search.

Lies. It cannot be uninstalled.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

"You are the best poster... do not let anyone say otherwise."


Klyith posted:

2004 got queued for me the minute my defer setting expired, so I said what the heck and took it.

Trip report: everything fine. The only major settings that got reset were my wallpaper (why?) and "automatically download manufacturers' apps" (No). That second one has got reset more or less every big update, so no surprise there. No adware on the start menu, it didn't even restore the built-in apps I've removed like Your Phone and Bing News.

Rated 9/10, one of the nicest major updates yet in terms of not touching my poo poo.


Cool thing: Cortana now has a standard App Permissions menu so you can turn off microphone use and also the background app setting. That makes cortana fully quit if you've turned off the cortana taskbar box. It's as good as uninstalling it, pretty much.

Installed it on my main machine a couple of days ago too in order to get the hardware accelerated GPU scheduling feature. It was apparently pending for a while but there was no way it could be installed with like 12 gigs available on the drive lol. It was pretty quick and painless to install, no unwanted side effects so far.


namlosh posted:

The problem I have with the new UI is that it lacks any visual cues to keep the attribute value consistent with its definition.

Grids/sheets are an amazing way to convey information and without any color banding or grid lines, it's not easy to line up what goes with what. Especially if they were similar values and units.
Also, not sure if you can do this is the new UI but in the old UI, you can sort. How could you lose so much functionality? If I want to know what partition has the most free space, how do I do that in the new UI? I just click the column heading for "Free Space" in the old UI.

I'm all for progress, but it seems to me that this is what happens when you hire too many artistic designers and not enough person-machine interface specialists.
I bitched about this year(s) ago when they replaced the display power settings interface. You used to have the settings in a compact, clear grid with some icons to help you instantly see what's what, and they replaced it with a list with a bunch of dropdowns so you had to read everything one by one.

E: I was pretty sure I even posted a screenshot of this before ITT but it's nowhere to be found

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Aug 28, 2020

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013

HAIL SATAN


Something that seems to have happened for me in the last month or two was that Windows forgot what refresh rate my monitor runs at. I'm running 2004, and have a 144hz monitor. It had been working fine, but the last game I was playing seemed to be weirdly stuck at 60hz despite in-game settings. I figured it was because the game was a couple years old and might be defaulting to a slower refresh, and it didn't affect the playability, so I ignored it. Then I started playing Borderlands 3, and the benchmark would never even hit 60hz. I thought that was weird, but ignored it for a bit. I checked my video drivers, and they showed the right monitor and the right refresh rate. Windows 10 Display page in Settings also showed the right information. It finally dawned on me to check in Device Manager and sure enough, in there it was using Generic PnP Monitor 60hz. I fixed the refresh rate there and now it's all back to where it should be.

CaptainSarcastic fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Aug 29, 2020

MikusR
Jan 5, 2008


redeyes posted:

Lies. It cannot be uninstalled.

Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.549981C3F5F10 | Remove-AppxPackage

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


The Control Panel files association interface was so much better than the Settings version, which somehow also loads longer. If I'm not mistaken, there is no sorting option in the Settings version (besides being alphabetical by default). Unfortunately, looks like the old windows version is no longer available.



It looks like something that someone that never plans to use it themselves would come up with. Just this ginormous scrolling list of file types.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.



Rinkles posted:

The Control Panel files association interface was so much better than the Settings version, which somehow also loads longer. If I'm not mistaken, there is no sorting option in the Settings version (besides being alphabetical by default). Unfortunately, looks like the old windows version is no longer available.



It looks like something that someone that never plans to use it themselves would come up with. Just this ginormous scrolling list of file types.
I haven't tried it in W10 yet, but
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/file_types_manager.html

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013

HAIL SATAN


Rinkles posted:

The Control Panel files association interface was so much better than the Settings version, which somehow also loads longer. If I'm not mistaken, there is no sorting option in the Settings version (besides being alphabetical by default). Unfortunately, looks like the old windows version is no longer available.



It looks like something that someone that never plans to use it themselves would come up with. Just this ginormous scrolling list of file types.

Honestly I think my usual practice if I'm changing file type associations is to do it from an individual file, not from the settings/control panel anyway. If I'm changing the file type association it's usually because the default for a given file is wrong, so I start from there.

The Settings interface definitely looks worse, but I've historically avoided those interfaces anyway.

Im_Special
Jan 2, 2011

Look At This!!! WOW!
It's F*cking Nothing.


Rinkles posted:

The Control Panel files association interface was so much better than the Settings version, which somehow also loads longer. If I'm not mistaken, there is no sorting option in the Settings version (besides being alphabetical by default). Unfortunately, looks like the old windows version is no longer available.

The new one is so awful, thank God for NirSoft.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


Rinkles posted:

The Control Panel files association interface was so much better than the Settings version, which somehow also loads longer. If I'm not mistaken, there is no sorting option in the Settings version (besides being alphabetical by default). Unfortunately, looks like the old windows version is no longer available.



It looks like something that someone that never plans to use it themselves would come up with. Just this ginormous scrolling list of file types.

And the dialogue before the first one was even better.



Readily customisable file handling options; vastly superior

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Aug 29, 2020

Lamquin
Aug 11, 2007


Getting some new odd W10 behavior that I can't recall I had before the latest update: It spins down my HDD and my (non-OS) SSD.



Basically, at times when I start the Task manager I get the left picture, followed 1-2 seconds later by the right picture where it "rediscovered" two drives. Does anyone have the same issue?

I've heard of HDDs being put in standby modes after not being accessed for a few minutes, but not SSDs.
I haven't noticed any drawbacks to this, I'm just curious why it has started.

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!

I got a new motherboard and some other hardware and I want to move my Windows installation over.

Apparently the best/only way to do this is to link my MS account to my PC. Then I can move my installation to the new system, and, if Windows handles the new environment it finds itself in, re-activating Windows should be easy because of the linked account.

Only, I'm perfectly happy with my local account and I don't want to use my MS account.

Is it possible to, after I do the switcheroo and hopefully activated Windows on the new system, to revert back to my old account? Or will adding the MS account somehow destroy my current account, making it impossible to revert back, short of creating a new account?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


uXs posted:

I got a new motherboard and some other hardware and I want to move my Windows installation over.

Apparently the best/only way to do this is to link my MS account to my PC. Then I can move my installation to the new system, and, if Windows handles the new environment it finds itself in, re-activating Windows should be easy because of the linked account.

Only, I'm perfectly happy with my local account and I don't want to use my MS account.

Make a second account on the PC to link to MS. Then disable or delete it after you get activated on the new PC.

Alternately, you can go through a longer process to deactivate on the old PC and reactivate on a new one, assuming you still have the key.


Lamquin posted:

Getting some new odd W10 behavior that I can't recall I had before the latest update: It spins down my HDD and my (non-OS) SSD.



Basically, at times when I start the Task manager I get the left picture, followed 1-2 seconds later by the right picture where it "rediscovered" two drives. Does anyone have the same issue?

I've heard of HDDs being put in standby modes after not being accessed for a few minutes, but not SSDs.
I haven't noticed any drawbacks to this, I'm just curious why it has started.

Huh. Does it also unmount the drives from explorer, or is this just in the task manager? I don't think I've ever noticed a drive being removed from task manager while it was spun down, but I haven't been looking for that.

Anyways yes SSDs also support power management & sleep modes, but they turn back on near-instantly unlike HDDs. (Also have less power savings than sleeping a HDD, as most SSDs consume less than a watt to maybe 2 watts when idle. A concern only for laptops.)



However, speaking of power profiles, I had a weird thing happen a little while ago. Something switched my PC to the high performance power plan without my interaction. I was trying to figure out why the thing was so dang hot -- like, my first clue was my leg next to the PC under the desk was getting hot -- and was first looking at whether a fan was dead or something. Anyways, this annoyed me so much (high performance mode is stupid as hell) that I deleted it.

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!

Klyith posted:

Make a second account on the PC to link to MS. Then disable or delete it after you get activated on the new PC.

Alternately, you can go through a longer process to deactivate on the old PC and reactivate on a new one, assuming you still have the key.

I made a second account to make the switch. Worked perfectly, posting from my new pc :-)

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


In my very limited testing, 7zip appears to be noticeably faster at extracting zip files than the system extractor or izarc. Should have checked earlier.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

someday he would have an anchor tattooed on his chest

is there a way to make windows defender permanently shut the gently caress up about a certain file that i deem safe but which it tries to quarantine as a threat every day? i click on "allow on device" every time but this is a daily chore

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013



Can we ask what file it is? It's probably not a great sign if Defender refuses to let it go, regardless of whether you consider it safe.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

someday he would have an anchor tattooed on his chest

an ms office crack, i'm assuming the reason it's so persistent about it is because it's not in microsoft's interests that i have this file, not because it's dangerous

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013



gently caress me. No, it is not because Microsoft know you are running a pirated copy of Office, because if they did then the crack wouldn't have done its job. At most it should trigger Defender during installation; if it is triggering every time you run the software then it is trying to do something damaging to your machine or compromising your personal data. Use Office for free in your browser, install an alternative like Libre Office, or hunt around for cheap eBay keys.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

someday he would have an anchor tattooed on his chest

it's not triggering when i run the software, it just says "hey this file is installed here we are removing it", it only started happening after a certain update which also deactivated my office installation, it worked without triggering defender for months before that

i use libreoffice but there are some cases where i need an excel or word file to behave in a certain way, libreoffice often behaves oddly when you get a file from someone else who has saved it in word

Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Sep 1, 2020

Weedle
May 31, 2006




if i had to choose whether to trust the uploader of ms.office.2019.crack.0wnl0rd.torrent or microsoft defender, i'd go with microsoft defender. but that's just me

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box




O365 is $10/mo if you go month to month.

Nobody here is going to listen to whatever excuse you try to make for filez.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


You can add an exclusion in "virus & threat protection settings", preventing it from scanning the entire folder your warez is in seems like it'd work. Also you can upload it to virustotal to see how many non-MS scanners agree that you're hosed.

I generally believe they wouldn't add cracks to the malware signatures just because they're MS cracks if it didn't have malware. However, cracks work on a lot of the same principles as malware -- modifying other executable files, hacking system memory, etc -- so they're good candidates for false detection based on heuristics.


(The other thing that defender and other heuristic scanners regularly choke on: demoscene stuff. I've got a folder with some of those, and defender grinds to a near-halt on the 4k & 64k intros. They're nothing but self-modifying code! Right now one of them will false detect in defender, as a trojan from 2012. On a file from 2005. 1/3 of the virustotal scanners also think it's malware, but each one thinks a different thing.)

Klyith fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Sep 1, 2020

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


Or just set up a fake KMS server on a Pi or other random box you might have around if you really want to pirate it, then you can use whatever version of Office (and Windows) you want without having to resort to random crack bullshit.

I also agree that it's unlikely Microsoft is explicitly adding cracks to Defender. They've made it very clear that they don't really care about home user level piracy, and in fact encourage it to some extent because it helps them keep their stranglehold on the business market.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010

What is it with Japan and ridiculous hair colors?



Buglord

Back in the MSE days I had a fight with it because it'd recognize John the Ripper as a "hack tools". They definitely have signatures for software cracks as well. Or at least, they had them a couple of years ago.

I wouldn't be surprised if they still have signatures for cracks, especially for their own software.
I feel it's generally easier to just buy a cheap key and be done with it than to try and find a crack that doesn't also include any malware du jour.

Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012


I'm pretty sure Cheat Engine gets recognized as malware based on its behavior so I wouldn't be too sure to rush into the conclusion that whatever sketchy rear end piracy tool must be riddled with something because Defender says so. Not that it's hardly impossible, but I'm pretty sure basically every crack will get flagged because of suspicious behavior so that by itself doesn't mean much.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


Ruflux posted:

I'm pretty sure Cheat Engine gets recognized as malware based on its behavior so I wouldn't be too sure to rush into the conclusion that whatever sketchy rear end piracy tool must be riddled with something because Defender says so. Not that it's hardly impossible, but I'm pretty sure basically every crack will get flagged because of suspicious behavior so that by itself doesn't mean much.

Cheat engine is fine both as a file, and in use with default settings for defender. Possibly with optional higher-protection settings it sets something off but I haven't seen it. It also asks for admin every time you run it because it's using the official APIs for reading & writing to other process memory.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Defender likes to quarantine the volume shadow copy of an ebook on malware analysis every day. I'm sure it's got code examples in that .epub but I doubt the ebook is going to take over the system.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.



Rinkles posted:

In my very limited testing, 7zip appears to be noticeably faster at extracting zip files than the system extractor or izarc. Should have checked earlier.
It ain't a looker, but it's good. I believe the file encryption isn't bad either.

I think it's faster when extracting in its own interface (e.g., from left pane to right pane) than drag-n-drop into an explorer window because it skips using the temp directory.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


doctorfrog posted:

It ain't a looker, but it's good. I believe the file encryption isn't bad either.

I think it's faster when extracting in its own interface (e.g., from left pane to right pane) than drag-n-drop into an explorer window because it skips using the temp directory.

i used to the context menu

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014



Ruflux posted:

I'm pretty sure Cheat Engine gets recognized as malware based on its behavior so I wouldn't be too sure to rush into the conclusion that whatever sketchy rear end piracy tool must be riddled with something because Defender says so. Not that it's hardly impossible, but I'm pretty sure basically every crack will get flagged because of suspicious behavior so that by itself doesn't mean much.

Poke definitely gets recognized as malware.

gourdcaptain
Nov 16, 2012



The biggest problem I've ever had with Windows Defender is it detecting code I've written and compiled myself on the same machine in Visual Studio as a virus that definitely isn't, and at that point I feel I can vouch for the file in question. welp

MikusR
Jan 5, 2008


wolrah posted:

I also agree that it's unlikely Microsoft is explicitly adding cracks to Defender.

They do. And classify them as hack tools. Same with many nirsoft utilities. But you can easily add them to exclusions.
The reason, I think, is that the same definitions are used in business settings. And in those cases it's better to be safe than sorry.

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repiv
Aug 13, 2009



College Slice

The keyword in Defender is "PUA" for "potentially unwanted application"

If your get flagged and the detection begins with PUA then it's probably just Microsoft flagging as , but if it begins with anything else it's an actual malware detection you shouldn't ignore

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