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Inverness
Feb 4, 2009

Fully configurable personal assistant.

Teketeketeketeke posted:

Enjoy Botnet!
[semi-overblown] guide to ameliorating some of it:

Stop posting this garbage.

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

THE CLAMPS!
or clamp like device






"Everyone should install Windows 10" - Heinrich Himmler

ItBurns
Jul 24, 2007


Judging by this thread, Kristallnacht is alive and well.

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

ThermoPhysical posted:

I don't have Office 365 and I can't actually edit with it.

I guess this question should have started out with understanding what version of Office you have. For example, I have Office 2013 (Home & Business edition) and I do have a zoom slider. Word Online, which is free, also has a zoom button in the lower right, but not as a slider.

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?

I was typing up a review for an app from the Store, and discovered that ctrl+backspace is the same as the back button, rather than deleting the last word. Is there any way to fix this absolutely stupid thing? And where else should I expect to be surprised by it?

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



Any idea how to get start menu search back reliably? I'm used to either clicking the start button and then typing, or pressing the windows key and then typing, but this only sometimes works now, the rest of the time it just seems to ignore the keypresses.

E: For now, fixed it by installing StartIsBack++

Lum fucked around with this message at Aug 13, 2015 around 02:17

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006

THE CLAMPS!
or clamp like device




Now to just get it to actually search my installed programs so I can launch them like in 7.

Jan
Feb 26, 2008



JohnnyCanuck posted:

Hey guys, posted this in the 10 preview thread, but didn't get anywhere with it.

The Start Menu is managed using a service, with a database and poo poo. That database has been notoriously lovely for me, with fun issues like permanently becoming unable to detect start menu changes, even after a reboot.

The database is located in %LOCALAPPDATA%\TileDataLayer\Database. The services using that database are "Tile Data model server" and "State Repository Service". They're constantly using the database, so there's no way to delete or rename it while it's in use. You can seemingly stop the services using services.msc, but they start right back up (within a second) and then refuse to be stopped again. They can be killed by using the task manager, look for appmodel under Windows processes. But, again, they'll start right back up.

Try this first, though it seems like killing the processes is still necessary.

If you're lucky, you might be able to kill the processes, rename or delete the database folder before Windows starts it back up. If you're unlucky, you might need to create a second user with Administrative rights and kill the services before deleting the database from your main user. It seems as though it doesn't hold on to the database of non-running users.

Anyway, with that done, the start menu went back to semi-normal. It still has hiccups where it stops refreshing certain apps or folders until a reboot, but at least it doesn't stop working permanently.

Cojawfee posted:

Now to just get it to actually search my installed programs so I can launch them like in 7.

It does. The old Start Menu location gets scanned normally, though it won't show more than one folder deep in the new "All Apps" section. I decided to go through and remove most of the subfolders, that gives a nice flat hierarchy.

But guess what! There's also a bug with the start menu that prevents it from displaying more than 512 entries.

Run Powershell and paste "Get-StartApps | measure". If that gives you more than 512 entries, enjoy cleaning up all those uninstallers, URL shortcuts and help files! If not, just nuke the tile database as described above.

p.s.: posting this from Safe Mode, which required booting from a recovery disc to enable, because some genius at Microsoft decided that modern systems boot too fast for the F8 key to be worthwhile! All of this because loving windows update installed a cumulative update and then failed to boot back to desktop! I love Windows 10!

Jan fucked around with this message at Aug 13, 2015 around 04:56

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!


After experimentation, I have determined that if you really, really, really can't stand having any Windows Defender stuff running at all whatsoever, you can disable the services from the Recovery Environment. Of course, you'd have to be a moron or working for one to want to do that. However, if some malware author figures out how to forge code signing certificates and protect his malware from getting killed, you can remove the service that way you're hosed anyway. Hope you've been taking your backups.

bolind
Jun 19, 2005



My wife's laptop has lovely, lovely WiFi performance on Windows 10. Can I install Windows 8 drivers on it? HP (it's a craptastic 7 pound HP laptop) has released new WLAN drivers on August 7th, which strikes me as a bit too coincidental...

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005




nielsm posted:

I did the upgrade. Where's my product key?
There is none.
You don't get a product key from the free upgrade.
Repeating this: You do not get a product key from the free upgrade.
When you do the upgrade, the installer sends a "fingerprint" of your computer (motherboard+CPU, mainly) to Microsoft, and that marks your computer as eligible for free Windows 10.

Wait, so if I upgrade now, then replace my motherboard in 2 months, will my license be invalid?
Most likely yes. If you're planning any major hardware upgrades, wait with Windows 10.

Since you don't get a key, does this mean that after July 29th 2016 there will be no way to reactivate? If I buy a new motherboard in 2018, I'll have to choose between paying for 10 or reinstalling 7?

Edit: Having to pay for a license at that point doesn't seem super unreasonable, but I think I'd rather just pay money now and install with that key instead of dealing with the hassle down the road on the day that Windows decides my poo poo's not Genuine anymore.

A FUCKIN CANARY!! fucked around with this message at Aug 13, 2015 around 10:06

Party Boat
Oct 31, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he

I don't think so:

quote:

Can I reinstall Windows 10 on my computer after upgrading?

Yes. Once you’ve upgraded to Windows 10 using the free upgrade offer, you will be able to reinstall, including a clean install, on the same device. You won’t need a product key for re-activations on the same hardware. If you make a meaningful change to your hardware, you may need to contact customer support to help with activation. You’ll also be able to create your own installation media like a USB drive or DVD, and use that to upgrade your device or reinstall after you’ve upgraded.

The "contact customer support" route is how it worked if you needed to transfer your 7 licence so I assume it'd be the same here.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Are there any universal Windows apps, or instant messenger applications, that support Facebook Chat properly? I've tried a bunch but they're either missing features (emoticons or stickers etc.) or just don't work properly.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

Ten months later the
reactor is started.


A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:

Since you don't get a key, does this mean that after July 29th 2016 there will be no way to reactivate? If I buy a new motherboard in 2018, I'll have to choose between paying for 10 or reinstalling 7?

Edit: Having to pay for a license at that point doesn't seem super unreasonable, but I think I'd rather just pay money now and install with that key instead of dealing with the hassle down the road on the day that Windows decides my poo poo's not Genuine anymore.
10 authentication squirts your hardware profile at Microsoft, and that's what it uses to authenticate from then on - on a reinstall it should just dial home and check nothing much has changed then reactivate itself. If you buy a new motherboard, then yes, that seems to be the key component since then it's definitely a 'different computer' - but people have been moving OEM 7 copies from home builds to home builds for ages by calling Microsoft and requesting a reactivation for it.

I don't even think you can buy a key at this point.

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?

Jan posted:

Run Powershell and paste "Get-StartApps | measure".

I haven't had any trouble with my Start menu (although I mostly use Launchy to launch things), but I tried this command anyway, and Powershell didnt' recognize "Get-StartApps".

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

Acid Reflux is like a red-hot broken chain that replaces your spine. Or something.


Just as an item of interest, the new Win 10 Dell desktop machine I bought to run my CNC router table doesn't even have a Windows key sticker on the case.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003


Acid Reflux posted:

Just as an item of interest, the new Win 10 Dell desktop machine I bought to run my CNC router table doesn't even have a Windows key sticker on the case.

They haven't come with stickers in years since 8 really.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Acid Reflux posted:

Just as an item of interest, the new Win 10 Dell desktop machine I bought to run my CNC router table doesn't even have a Windows key sticker on the case.

EFI allows license keys to be stored in firmware and - in the rare event you'd have to install from media - drop right into the product key line. License labels are superfluous.

For the record, Windows 7 wasn't actually all that EFI-compliant; it just happened to work with it sort of (it had to boot compatibility-mode even with true EFI video cards, for example).

In fact, I'm a little surprised Microsoft hasn't shoved a media retrieval tool into the firmware itself yet.

Jan
Feb 26, 2008



Windows 7: 6 years without reinstalling.

Windows 10: 6 days before reinstalling.




edit: Reset done, "A fatal error has occcured. We'll restart for you." Then back to the black screen.

edit 2: Who would have thought! Running DDU and wiping AMD drivers has not only fixed the black screen, but now it boots in under 10 seconds again, instead of hanging on a black screen for a minute before showing the login screen!

Now to see whether this is just another instance of AMD confusing a bowel movement with a driver release, or if it's a hardware failure that conveniently occurred 24 hours after installing new drivers.

edit 3: Installing AMD display driver... Screen flickers... To black.

Welp, Radeon HD7850, you had a good run.

edit 4: Took GPU #2 into slot #1, and everything is back to normal... Including the slow boot. Here's hoping it really was an ill timed coincidence and not a card-frying driver. I'd rather this little trooper of a computer last me until I replace it with Skylake. And now I'll stop making GBS threads up the Windows 10 thread with what turned out to be a hardware issue.

Jan fucked around with this message at Aug 13, 2015 around 14:59

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

Acid Reflux is like a red-hot broken chain that replaces your spine. Or something.


socialsecurity posted:

They haven't come with stickers in years since 8 really.
Ah! Did not know that. The one Win 8 box I own does have a sticker, but now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it's the only Win 8 box I've ever looked at that closely.

Sir Unimaginative posted:

EFI allows license keys to be stored in firmware and - in the rare event you'd have to install from media - drop right into the product key line.
That I did know, I just thought the lack of a sticker was interesting...but I have very recently learned that it's the more common practice these days.

Acid Reflux fucked around with this message at Aug 13, 2015 around 15:25

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005




Ghostlight posted:

If you buy a new motherboard, then yes, that seems to be the key component since then it's definitely a 'different computer' - but people have been moving OEM 7 copies from home builds to home builds for ages by calling Microsoft and requesting a reactivation for it.

Except when you moved 7 around and had to activate by phone, there was always a key involved. In the case I'm wondering about, the hardware profile has changed and the installation has no key associated with it, so it seems like you'd be asking Microsoft to activate you on the honor system.

There's a giant discussion on the Microsoft Community site about this and nobody seems to have a straight answer on whether your current retail license transfers somehow or you're just getting a freebie activation that's tied to the hardware forever.

Antioch
Apr 18, 2003


Grimey Drawer

so far the only thing I'm not a fan of is the All Apps Start Menu. I don't like the big letters in between each category, and the entries just seem too big. Plus I can't figure out how to delete right from the Start Menu to clear out things I don't need in All Apps, like links to help files or whatever.

Otherwise I haven't noticed much change from my Windows 7 install. Nvidia drivers didn't give me any grief, the Windows directory reports about 12GB smaller which is nice on my 256GB SSD, boot time is about the same, and it even kept my background images rotating.

Party Boat
Oct 31, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he

A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:

Except when you moved 7 around and had to activate by phone, there was always a key involved. In the case I'm wondering about, the hardware profile has changed and the installation has no key associated with it, so it seems like you'd be asking Microsoft to activate you on the honor system.

There's a giant discussion on the Microsoft Community site about this and nobody seems to have a straight answer on whether your current retail license transfers somehow or you're just getting a freebie activation that's tied to the hardware forever.

I'm wondering if they tie the hardware ID to your Microsoft account or something.

Jan
Feb 26, 2008



Antioch posted:

so far the only thing I'm not a fan of is the All Apps Start Menu. I don't like the big letters in between each category, and the entries just seem too big. Plus I can't figure out how to delete right from the Start Menu to clear out things I don't need in All Apps, like links to help files or whatever.

Right click, Open file location, that'll get you in the Start Menu folder and you can just clean house as normal. Again, note that since the start menu is a fancy overkill database, it won't refresh instantly. If you have my luck, it might have decided to stop refreshing altogether and you'll then need to wipe the database and start over as outlined earlier.

NyetscapeNavigator
Sep 22, 2003



A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:

Since you don't get a key, does this mean that after July 29th 2016 there will be no way to reactivate? If I buy a new motherboard in 2018, I'll have to choose between paying for 10 or reinstalling 7?

Edit: Having to pay for a license at that point doesn't seem super unreasonable, but I think I'd rather just pay money now and install with that key instead of dealing with the hassle down the road on the day that Windows decides my poo poo's not Genuine anymore.

I fully expect this one year free upgrade thing to be one of those things they just keep postponing indefinitely because there will be a shitstorm when people's computers are held hostage because they can't reactivate after an upgrade.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



WattsvilleBlues posted:

Are there any universal Windows apps, or instant messenger applications, that support Facebook Chat properly? I've tried a bunch but they're either missing features (emoticons or stickers etc.) or just don't work properly.

Closest I've got is Pidgin with this plugin which emulates the Android client, but not sure about emoticons or stickers as I don't really use them.

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007



This privacy thing is going to hurt MS and Windows 10 much more than the forced driver updates. It's basically everywhere at this point.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...g-to-microsoft/

It's gotten so it's hard to defend it and say it's "like Android and iOS" because at least those you can turn off the stuff you don't want and it's actually off.

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.


Anyone seen anything strange with Group Policy in Windows 10 Enterprise?

Seems to be a strange permissions issue where the machine doesn't have the rights to access NETLOGON or SYSVOL at the domain root. However, the machine can reach NETLOGON/SYSVOL on any individual DC. Just not on the Domain root.

XYZ
Aug 31, 2001



XYZ posted:

Nice, this tried to install, then said "Unable to complete update,, undoing changes" and restarted 4-5 times.

Ok I managed to get KB3081436 to install properly, I had to do the fix that some had to do to get KB3081424 to work, which was using regedit and going to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList and deleting an errant profile.

Other than that Windows 10 has been pretty good.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

ThermoPhysical posted:

This privacy thing is going to hurt MS and Windows 10 much more than the forced driver updates. It's basically everywhere at this point.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...g-to-microsoft/

It's gotten so it's hard to defend it and say it's "like Android and iOS" because at least those you can turn off the stuff you don't want and it's actually off.

Yeah I'm not terribly concerned about it myself but the flippant attitude from people is kind of surprising. One dude who works at Microsoft was even mocking it on like page 2 of this thread. I can't even make stupid tinfoil hat jokes because ironically Microsoft is a company who has backdoored their own software for governments in the past. I don't sit around losing sleep over whether Microsoft knows I installed Steam or not but I expect the privacy toggles in the OS to actually function as advertised. If people disable web search maybe don't send their loving start searches? Why is it sending all of that crap if people use a local account and disable the various web services?

It's not hard to see why this has gotten some people riled up regardless of whatever Google and Apple are doing or not.

astral
Apr 26, 2004

Out there.


The Gunslinger posted:

If people disable web search maybe don't send their loving start searches?

Not trying to defend MS for the other stuff, but it doesn't do this.

article posted:

"No query or search usage data is sent to Microsoft, in accordance with the customer's chosen privacy settings. This also applies to searching offline for items such as apps, files and settings on the device." This is consistent with what we saw (there is no query or search data transmitted)[...]

astral fucked around with this message at Aug 13, 2015 around 19:36

YouTuber
Jul 31, 2004


gently caress this is bullshit. I suppose Automatic Update started running and botched the job on startup. So now when I reboot I get this idiotic error message "We're collecting information" that gets to 100% and sits there. Error code is 0xc000021a which corroborates my Automatic Update failure hypothesis. Trying sfc /scannow in command line just spews out bullshit about how a prior process is pending. Am I hosed and forced to format this bullshit? I don't own a Win10 cd or anything.

astral
Apr 26, 2004

Out there.


YouTuber posted:

gently caress this is bullshit. I suppose Automatic Update started running and botched the job on startup. So now when I reboot I get this idiotic error message "We're collecting information" that gets to 100% and sits there. Error code is 0xc000021a which corroborates my Automatic Update failure hypothesis. Trying sfc /scannow in command line just spews out bullshit about how a prior process is pending. Am I hosed and forced to format this bullshit? I don't own a Win10 cd or anything.

If you need Win10 media, you can get the ISOs from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sof...ad/windows10ISO as long as your user agent isn't win7~8.1, in which case you can just download the media creation tool and have it download the ISOs or make a bootable USB drive for you.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007


The Gunslinger posted:

I can't even make stupid tinfoil hat jokes because ironically Microsoft is a company who has backdoored their own software for governments in the past.
That sounds pretty bad. Can you post the details/link the source?

beejay
Apr 7, 2002



Soiled Meat

xylo posted:

That sounds pretty bad. Can you post the details/link the source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM...llance_program)

I imagine this is what is being referred to. It was a pretty big deal.

Regardless, you started off helpful in the last thread and then closer to release and after your replies have pretty much been snarky and non-helpful. I don't expect you to be the resident Microsoft Support guy, and I understand getting a bit defensive about your company and becoming annoyed, but perhaps you should thoughtfully prove people wrong if you're going to talk about these things at all.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003


beejay posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM...llance_program)

I imagine this is what is being referred to. It was a pretty big deal.

Regardless, you started off helpful in the last thread and then closer to release and after your replies have pretty much been snarky and non-helpful. I don't expect you to be the resident Microsoft Support guy, and I understand getting a bit defensive about your company and becoming annoyed, but perhaps you should thoughtfully prove people wrong if you're going to talk about these things at all.

In his defense people have started posting all sorts of tin foily poo poo copied straight from Reddit.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT BEING A NEO-LIBERAL DEATH CULT APOLOGIST!


The Gunslinger posted:

I can't even make stupid tinfoil hat jokes because ironically Microsoft is a company who has backdoored their own software for governments in the past.

...good? If a government comes with a warrant they should really have access, and I've no problems with that whatsoever.

Magnus Praeda
Jul 18, 2003
The largess in the land.

The Iron Rose posted:

...good? If a government comes with a warrant they should really have access, and I've no problems with that whatsoever.

They didn't have warrants. They didn't even inform Congress they were doing it.

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014



Ah! Cortana stopped responding when I yelled at her through my microphone. I think I may have hurt her feelings.

Anyway, is there a way to get her to set a timer? Tried to cook a pizza for 22 minutes, she just sent me to google.

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Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012



I don't think so (there's a timer part of the alarms app, so it's doubly silly), but I usually just set a reminder for however many minutes from now.

fake edit: Like, you could do "Remind me to take my pizza out of the oven in 22 minutes"

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