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Omi-Polari posted:Your mistake is thinking that the death of the right is inevitable. I don't think so. this is true, we are still living in the age of reagan and this is reflected in the platforms of both parties. the GOP has pulled everything to the right over the past several decades. however, the strategies that they used to achieve this are not sustainable, and it's a reasonable assumption that this coalition is breaking irreversibly this will not be the death of the "right," but it will be the death of movement conservatism, which was electorally viable for a time but that time is coming to an end, first at the national level. there will still be something that comes up to oppose the "leftist" democratic party but the question is what that party will look like and who their constituents will be baw has issued a correction as of 09:28 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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At this point there is no way out but through for the GOP. They will double down on all the racism and other insanity for ever. And why wouldn't they? They don't actually need to win anything more, it is sufficient that they keep government locked down and ineffective.
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Mr. Wynand posted:At this point there is no way out but through for the GOP. They will double down on all the racism and other insanity for ever. And why wouldn't they? They don't actually need to win anything more, it is sufficient that they keep government locked down and ineffective. Why would you need to win anything more when you already own most of the government? 
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The GOP isn't going anywhere until gerrymandering is abolished, that's the only viable path they have to a House majority If gerrymandering were abolished, election day made a federal holiday, and/or Puerto Rico or DC were to become a state, then the GOP would be done for.
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Trump is going to make the GOP entirely irrelevant, at least if he sticks out this next year and a half of the ridiculous campaign process.
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:The GOP isn't going anywhere until gerrymandering is abolished, that's the only viable path they have to a House majority And that's why none of that will ever happen. 
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:The GOP isn't going anywhere until gerrymandering is abolished, that's the only viable path they have to a House majority Even without gerrymandering they'll continue to hold undue power thanks to the Senate. The GOP won't change until they are unable to significantly influence the Legislative Branch for several elections. Though if the Democrats take the Presidency for another term or two it may light at least a pilot light under them to change, what with losing control of both the Gyges has issued a correction as of 20:17 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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the most important thing that a GOP candidate can do to win back the presidency is to emulate David Cameron's image, ie. looking like a liberal to liberals and a conservative to conservatives of course, when that candidate is president they'll be firmly entrenched in the arms of capital, but at least they'll have sorted out the image problem that, or Trump wins and they don't fix a thing
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The more I read this thread the more convinced I become that we're going to have a Republican president in 2016, and it will be either Bush or Walker. Please tell me why I'm wrong 
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Harrow posted:The more I read this thread the more convinced I become that we're going to have a Republican president in 2016, and it will be either Bush or Walker. you're wrong and dumb
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Harrow posted:The more I read this thread the more convinced I become that we're going to have a Republican president in 2016, and it will be either Bush or Walker. You are wrong, it's going to be The Donald. Trump 2016: 
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Harrow posted:The more I read this thread the more convinced I become that we're going to have a Republican president in 2016, and it will be either Bush or Walker. Which ever one wins the Conservative Thunderdome enters the General Election beaten up and having spent a fortune. Meanwhile Clinton and Bernie will be having pleasant discussions over tea at the Democratic Debates while spending minimally on anything other than building GOTV machines and donor lists. Or to put it another way, while the Republicans are busy having a Highlander Gathering because there can be only one, the Democrats have instead decided to go with the Voltron concept and are merely deciding who shall form the head.
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:The GOP isn't going anywhere until gerrymandering is abolished, that's the only viable path they have to a House majority There are a lot of states that by law allow you to take paid time off to go vote.
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Holyshoot posted:There are a lot of states that by law allow you to take paid time off to go vote. Even if your employer allows you to take that time, lots and lots of people work more than half of the provided time away from their precinct. I get a paid hour to vote, however if I had to leave my job, go to my precinct, vote, and return that would take more than 1 hour. Taking an hour at the beginning or end of the day would work, but that's probably not always a realistic option. Legally mandated paid time for voting is good, but an actual federal holiday is better. Ideally it'd just be by mail voting everywhere, but it is nice to get paid to vote every election.
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Harrow posted:The more I read this thread the more convinced I become that we're going to have a Republican president in 2016, and it will be either Bush or Walker. not enough white people left in america assuming clinton doesn't completely screw the pooch on gotv
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Donald Trump will drop out before the end of the year because this is about promoting his brand and becoming more famous, not actually being President. Bernie will win Iowa and New Hampshire, but lose South Carolina and everything after that. Right after South Carolina, Hillary will pivot to a more "centrist" position on everything and will start the hippie kicking to prove how much of a Very Serious Person she is. She will find issues that she can use to scold the left and prove that she is "electable". By this point Bush will lead in the Republican polls, and will be spun by the media as a more moderate and level-headed Republican that can find common ground with Democrats (because gridlock is the problem, not terrible policies promoted by terrible people). The race will be Clinton vs. Bush, will be the lowest turnout Presidential election in American history, and Bush will win. The loss will be blamed on Bernie supporters staying home and will be used to make the Democratic Party even more neoliberal.
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City of Tampa posted:By this point Bush will lead in the Republican polls, and will be spun by the media as a more moderate and level-headed Republican that can find common ground with Democrats (because gridlock is the problem, not terrible policies promoted by terrible people). Bush is falling in the polls, though. I think at this point the realistic establishment option is probably Rubio (or if the Kochs keep pushing, Walker, maybe).
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Gregoriev posted:Bush is falling in the polls, though. I think at this point the realistic establishment option is probably Rubio (or if the Kochs keep pushing, Walker, maybe). Bush is the Mitt Romney of 2016. He won't poll great during the primary because the batshit crazy base doesn't think he's extreme enough, but the money in the GOP likes him so they will force him through and the Republican voters will fall in line like good little soldiers. Walker is dumb as a rock, and has corruption all around him. Rubio is the wrong race for Republicans, especially combined with his former support for immigration reform.
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City of Tampa posted:Donald Trump will drop out before the end of the year because this is about promoting his brand and becoming more famous, not actually being President. Hillary wins Iowa, Bernie wins New Hampshire and a couple more contests in liberal strongholds on Super Tuesday. Hillary still takes the nomination in a walk. The Republican primary comes down to Bush, Walker, and Cruz as the last three standing with Cruz taking the eventual role of 00 Huckabee/08 Santorum in this contest. General Election turnout is up from 2012 and Hillary wins big in the EC. The loss will be blamed on picking yet another establishment type who has betrayed Conservatism and 2020 is set to be even more exciting as the Republican blood ritual begins in earnest.
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City of Tampa posted:Donald Trump will drop out before the end of the year because this is about promoting his brand and becoming more famous, not actually being President. This nigga predicts the future
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Gyges posted:Hillary wins Iowa, Bernie wins New Hampshire and a couple more contests in liberal strongholds on Super Tuesday. Hillary still takes the nomination in a walk. Wait no this one, this is the one.
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City of Tampa posted:Bush is the Mitt Romney of 2016. He won't poll great during the primary because the batshit crazy base doesn't think he's extreme enough, but the money in the GOP likes him so they will force him through and the Republican voters will fall in line like good little soldiers. I don't know, I think 2012 is fundamentally different from 2016 in that there was the one Great White Hope that was Mitt Romney, and a bunch of wannabes that had their turn at the wheel because the base really didn't want Mitt at all. This time there's no preordained establishment favorite, even if Bush is out-fundraising the others right now. Walker and Rubio each have their own bases of establishment support (Walker is the Kochs by proxy obviously, and Rubio is those who want to grab the Hispanic demo instead of pretending the demographic shift isn't going to lock them out of the Senate/Presidency in the next 10 years), and I don't think any of them will cave as long as that sweet sweet PAC money is flowing in. Bush really isn't a sure thing, as much as Clinton v Bush sounds inevitable. Also, Rubio is Cuban, that's practically white to Republicans as far as their support for the embargo and a lot of other conservative policies is concerned. e: mastershakeman posted:The only real prediction is that one of Rubio/Cruz/Jindal/Fiorina/Carson gets picked as VP because the Republican party will assume that's the only way to get minority votes Most likely Fiorina, they're really hammering hard on PP this election cycle and I imagine they think a woman will help them sell that message better.
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Gregoriev posted:Most likely Fiorina, they're really hammering hard on PP this election cycle and I imagine they think a woman will help them sell that message better. I'd say Rubio is the front runner choice for any candidate other than Jeb!, unless Jeb! is no longer a Florida resident. Fiorina is a weak choice for any candidate as she is only good for attacking Hillary, which she doesn't need to be on the ticket to do.
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i like how you concede victories to bernies, but assume he is incapable of more 450 days away from election day. it truly must be a fluke
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stoutfish posted:i like how you concede victories to bernies, but assume he is incapable of more 450 days away from election day. Structurally the primary is working very hard against him and his best chance of winning is Hillary bowing out. Regardless of how hard Bernie swings the Socialist Hammer, the machine is going to win.
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cyber punk is finally real please grind my skull into dust big money - you
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stoutfish posted:masturbating to the tune of inevitability in a puddle of your own mental illness i see I wish Bernie could win, but I just don't see it happening. Sorry.
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My roommate told me that while he agreed with me that the republican party is shackled at the ankle to the insane religious right, he thinks they can very easily unshackle themselves at any time and just have a normal party without having to rely on the crazy vote. They just don't want to right now. I was kinda WHAT, but then I remembered he considers himself conservative. Gyges posted:I wish Bernie could win, but I just don't see it happening. Sorry. Well not with THAT attitude, it won't.
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For me at least, the funniest thing in all of this is how hard Christie fell from grace. A couple years ago, he was the man who would restore the GOP to office, now he's not even mentioned as a serious contender. Closing a bridge is one hell of a way to go down.
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Gyges posted:I wish Bernie could win, but I just don't see it happening. Sorry. you'll be the first up the wall when you get the opportunity to vote for him in the general
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Adventure Pigeon posted:For me at least, the funniest thing in all of this is how hard Christie fell from grace. A couple years ago, he was the man who would restore the GOP to office, now he's not even mentioned as a serious contender. Closing a bridge is one hell of a way to go down. Don't be silly, being an immeasurable rear end to an opponent could never sink an Republican. He's got no hope because he didn't spit in Obama's face when the President came to help out with Hurricane Sandy. It's the one time Christie was nice that's come back to bite him in the rear end.
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