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I'm a huge fan of Westerns - I think that Once Upon A Time In The West is the best of the genre. In 1968 Sergio Leone followed up the "Man With No Name" trilogy with this movie, starting fresh with a new cast and plot. I think this was the best film Sergio Leone ever directed: From the music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6BQKFs3-VM To the banter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwwCTBZOCQ To the backstory and climax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwb3P0fuM1c To the original ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5kaDcdzj2w & even the U.S. ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mMd6D1Gw1g Enophos fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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There was a mostly fantastic Western thread where a lot of this got covered, but it was years ago. I would never write off anybody who said OUATITW is their favorite Western, but it's sort of a "greatest hits" in many ways, incorporating bits and pieces from other movies and assuming you, the viewer, have seen these things yourself. It's still great, but things like say, Henry Fonda's character probably carry more impact if you've seen stuff like say, My Darling Clementine or Ox-Bow Incident first. I think the same of John Wayne too: The Searchers and True Grit are great, but they're better if you know about stuff like Stagecoach or Rio Grande first. The trouble with "what's the best Western" discussions is that they often begin and end with Leone (or sometimes Eastwood), as if to say "well, those are the best so we needn't care about anybody else." I love those movies, but I think people owe it to themselves to at least check out some Westerns by the other two Sergios--I'm referring to Corbucci and Sollima--first. Corbucci's gotten a little more visibility since people now have heard about Django thanks to Tarantino's movie (this was what I posted about Django five years ago), but Sollima is still less well known. When I think of Sollima, The Big Gundown tends to come to mind first. While I'll always prefer the Italian Westerns (I have a soft spot for the first Sabata, myself), I used to just summarily write off the non-revisionist American Westerns entirely. But I think people should at least watch some to understand what everything since has been in response to, and for my money's worth the epitome of the classic American Westerns is Shane. Daryl Surat fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 04:03
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High Noon is really Hitchcock in a Western setting, but I absolutely love how well the film slowly escalates tension. None of Sergio's goofy Westerns have ever impacted me as much as High Noon.
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Aug 14, 2015 04:52
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The Searchers is the best Western of all-time, hell it may just be the best movie of all-time. Once Upon A Time in the West is top 5 though.
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Aug 14, 2015 05:05
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I know there are better Westerns, but my personal favorites are The Outlaw Josey Wales and High Plains Drifter, especially the latter for the locations and score.
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Aug 14, 2015 05:59
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Unforgiven, hands down. "I was building a house...". I miss Gene Hackman and it's a shame he retired in 2004.
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Kill White Comanche, gently caress The Outlaw Josey Wales, Marry The Searchers. e: I keep flipping on that worst, but really White Comanche has zero redeeming qualities so it might as well eat it. Mulva fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 07:00
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For a Few Dollars More often gets overlooked because of its successors, but it honestly might be my favorite Leone. Lee Van Cleef in top form. The Big Gundown is pretty awesome too. Also, the Wild Bunch has gotta be in any top 5 bullet3 fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 07:47
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I guess people aren't saying The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly just because that's a given right? And you know what? In some ways it's very very stupid, but dammit, I can't help but love Tombstone. Kurt Russel and Val Kilmer being awesome, Sam Elliot doing his Sam Elliot thing all over the place, Charlton loving Heston out of goddamn nowhere, and Billy Zane being a ridiculous fop of an actor. How can you not love this movie???
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Aug 14, 2015 08:50
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The Proposition, Unforgiven, and Josey Wales are all really good. But I just don't see an argument for the best Western to be anything other than OUATITW
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Ensign_Ricky posted:I guess people aren't saying The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly just because that's a given right? I'll say it. It's this one. Honorable mention goes to Unforgiven and Once Upon A Time In The West. I also like Pale Rider as far as westerns with a supernatural twist go. He makes them literally paint the town red, how awesome is that?
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Aug 14, 2015 10:47
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I've only watched a criminally small number of Westerns, but Silverado's appropriately wacky, yet excellent cast makes it one of my favourites.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:I guess people aren't saying The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly just because that's a given right? I know this is a super unoriginal opinion, but the music by itself makes that film loving amazing.
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THE BAR posted:I've only watched a criminally small number of Westerns, but Silverado's appropriately wacky, yet excellent cast makes it one of my favourites. Silverado's one of my guilty pleasures. Sure it's nothing special in terms of movie critic cred but it's eminently watchable.
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TheJoker138 posted:I'll say it. It's this one. Honorable mention goes to Unforgiven and Once Upon A Time In The West. I also like Pale Rider as far as westerns with a supernatural twist go. He makes them literally paint the town red, how awesome is that? You're thinking of High Plains Drifter.
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I love Eastwood as much as the next guy, but nobody's really talking about Wayne here. Aside from The Searchers(Best Western ever made), Wayne made a ton of Westerns that are all incredibly watchable and entertaining. Stagecoach, The Man that Shot Liberty Valance, Rio Bravo, Rio Grande, Fort Apache, True Grit, El Dorado, and plenty more. And I'm sorry to keep harping on The Searchers, but its required viewing for anyone who's excited about Tarantino's The Hateful Eight. Vistavision was kind of a precursor to 70mm, and The Hateful Eight is the first film in a long while to be shot in 70mm. Martin Scorsese said in an interview that is on The Searchers blu ray that he thinks of Vistavision as the best film format ever for cinema.
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Yojimbo I can't help but go with "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly", because honestly it's just a well done film that's fun to watch. I also really like "Stagecoach" a whole lot. Since I'm sure this thread could easily turn into a list of the same films over and over, I'll throw something a little different out there: Tears of the Black Tiger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saTKuN5bc68  The movie is such an interesting spin on the western genre, and contains so much great eye candy. If you're a fan of westerns (or even if you're not), it's worth checking out. zandert33 fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Pretty sure it's Seven Samurai, which coincidentally is also the best movie ever made. It's like the Citizen Kane of cinema.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:And you know what? In some ways it's very very stupid, but dammit, I can't help but love Tombstone. Kurt Russel and Val Kilmer being awesome, Sam Elliot doing his Sam Elliot thing all over the place, Charlton loving Heston out of goddamn nowhere, and Billy Zane being a ridiculous fop of an actor. How can you not love this movie???
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The answer is Dead Man.
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I thought I loved everything Mel Brooks has produced, but rewatching Blazing Saddles has left me a bit lukewarm on it.. The jokes are there, but it's all so slow and stilted, even. When the jokes get good, they're brilliant, but sometimes they're addled with dead air, and it's not the kind that lets the joke settle.
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Slugworth posted:It won't be a popular opinion in this thread, but I am right there with you. It may not be the best crafted western, but if I could only watch one for the rest of my life? Tombstone. I'm your huckleberry. I still have no idea what that means!
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zandert33 posted:Tears of the Black Tiger this movie is loving incredible even if it drags a bit like, just visually it is just ridiculous but do you know if there's a copy available that isn't really washed out? i've seen it only twice and the second time i saw it, it seriously looked 10x worse simply because those beautiful pastel colors were just wiped out
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All those westerns are goo, and you shoudl watch them all, but the best is actually Jeremiah Johnson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzjN8YJt55g North-West is still West.
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Fereydun posted:this movie is loving incredible even if it drags a bit I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the UK release is the best version. The Thai release doesn't have English subs, and the US release is crap. The DVD is PAL and Region 2, so you'd have to be able to deal with that.
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THE BAR posted:I thought I loved everything Mel Brooks has produced, but rewatching Blazing Saddles has left me a bit lukewarm on it.. The jokes are there, but it's all so slow and stilted, even.
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MonsieurChoc posted:All those westerns are goo, and you shoudl watch them all, but the best is actually Jeremiah Johnson. Jeremiah Johnson is a weird movie. It's just the nicest movie about a cannibalistic serial killer. The scenery is breathtaking, the guy's real name was Liver Eating Johnson, the Indians are treated respectfully and (for the most part) as real people, except when they random attack the hero and are (presumably) eaten. It's a very left-leaning, east coast liberal take on an absolutely brutal story. There's a section of the movie that feels like an after school special. To add a movie to the list, I'll go with Bad Company, an early Jeff Bridges movie. It sets up a lot of presumptions and then brutally beats the tar out of them. The movie is dirty (and in dirt, not raunch) desperate and lean. The ending comes out of nowhere but makes perfect sense once it hits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZrcqIvvB_0
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The Searchers is so overrated, Stagecoach is better on every level and arguably more influential. I recently watched The Shooting which is a stunning 60's existential western by Monte Hellman starring Jack Nicholson and Warren Oates, I urge everyone to check it out.
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HP Hovercraft posted:The Searchers is so overrated, Stagecoach is better on every level and arguably more influential. Agreed, I was so disappointed when I finally saw The Searchers.
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If you have a big t.v. and you watch The Searchers on blu ray, the opening shot should be enough to make it one of the best Westerns of all time. If you're into cinematography and ridiculously beautiful landscapes, then you will love The Searchers. There's thirty or forty more reasons to love The Searchers but I will save them for whenever someone tries to poo poo on it. Be warned!
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I don't have much to contribute here, and I guess technically this isn't a movie, but every time my friend visits he says I have to watch Lonesome Dove and it's the best thing ever. Is he right?
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:You're thinking of High Plains Drifter. poo poo you're right. Got my "Clint Eastwood is a ghost cowboy" movies mixed up.
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TheJoker138 posted:poo poo you're right. Got my "Clint Eastwood is a ghost cowboy" movies mixed up. It's okay, Pale Rider is also really loving good and worth mentioning. No ghosts in it though.
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High Plains Drifter has already been name-checked so I'm going to be the terrible person who suggests The Quick and The Dead because Sharon Stone as a cowgirl...
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Pablo Bluth posted:High Plains Drifter has already been name-checked so I'm going to be the terrible person who suggests The Quick and The Dead because Sharon Stone as a cowgirl... The Quick and the Dead is what happens when you make a superhero movie in a Western setting and it owns.
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zandert33 posted:I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the UK release is the best version. The Thai release doesn't have English subs, and the US release is crap. The DVD is PAL and Region 2, so you'd have to be able to deal with that. the difference is quite drastic- it's truly a huge loss if there's no readily available version that managed to keep those beautiful colors  
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hobbez posted:I don't have much to contribute here, and I guess technically this isn't a movie, but every time my friend visits he says I have to watch Lonesome Dove and it's the best thing ever. Is he right? The miniseries is good. The book, in fact, is the best thing ever.
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hobbez posted:I don't have much to contribute here, and I guess technically this isn't a movie, but every time my friend visits he says I have to watch Lonesome Dove and it's the best thing ever. Is he right? It's really, really good. Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duvall have some great back and forth, and while the effects can look a little cheesy in 2015, the story is still engaging and should definitely be watched at least once. I've got the book, the DVD, and soon the Blu-ray, I like Lonesome Dove that much.
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My favorites are The Searchers, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The Good The Bad & The Ugly, Unforgiven, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, and Django Unchained. Not an original list but I don't care. Honorable mention goes to My Darling Clementine,The Grand Duel, High Plains Drifter, and while it debatably is not a western I liked The Beguiled. Honestly I don't get the love for the original Django. Just seems like a bad imitation of Leone to me, and the whole giant machine gun made the shootouts kind of boring to watch. The imagery of Django dragging a coffin around is cool though I guess. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Anybody ever see the Japanese version of Unforgiven? I heard it's almost a scene-for-scene remake of the original.
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