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gohmak posted:That the Chinese space program is antiquated and in need of good ol' Murican advise? I wonder if this movie will do well in China , since it makes Chinese government, particularly their space agency look really good. It was because they were so generous as to reveal their top secret rocket in an effort to help rescue an American astronaut that helped save Watley. Onboard Ares 5 the astronaut next to Martinez was Asian, and it made me wonder if he was a Taikonaut representing this multinational effort. I think the events of the film should have changed Ares 5's mission to establish a Watleyville potato plantation in the event of future emergencies. You never know how long your vacation on Mars might be!
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MisterBibs posted:Niche genre movie loses out to popular, mainstream movies. News at eleven. (You should like Genesys, if for no reason than it being FR's partner in the "Did badly domestically, rear end saved by foreign markets" category.) I'm ribbing Groovelord Neato over that, not doing the self-deprecating thing here. The book is basically like that. Something goes well->something predictably blows up->Watney sciences his way out of it to keep right on the knife's edge between success and failure. Most of it didn't need to be belabored. By the time he was on his way to Schiaparelli crater lots of other poo poo was going down Earth-side and on the Ares 4 already so most of that was trimmed for balance/pacing reasons. They probably could've used even more travelogue-type sequences there, though, because those shots were amazing.
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broken clock opsec posted:I'm ribbing Groovelord Neato over that, not doing the self-deprecating thing here. I did a rough estimate of his journey to the crater, and it would be like driving from the Florida Keyes to the northern tip of Maine, only very slowly and having to stop all the drat time. How long did it take him? A month? Two months?
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Panfilo posted:I did a rough estimate of his journey to the crater, and it would be like driving from the Florida Keyes to the northern tip of Maine, only very slowly and having to stop all the drat time. How long did it take him? A month? Two months? I remember it being like 55-60 days, but I'd have to look again.
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Panfilo posted:...and it made me wonder if he was a Taikonaut representing this multinational effort He was. There were 2 reasons the Chinese donated their booster: First was so the entire world could see China saving America and the second was to make NASA add a taikonaut to a future Ares mission.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:25
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Panfilo posted:
The NASA guys say he can eat what he has. The problem is he can't grow more.
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Oct 3, 2015 00:42
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MorgaineDax posted:The NASA guys say he can eat what he has. The problem is he can't grow more. Right. Not only did the plants die, his "fertilizer" died too. The other potatoes wouldn't have necessary nitrogen and minerals to sustain growth I assume. I know Watley was rationing to stretch out his food as long as possible. I was wondering how many calories a day he was likely consuming. I figure an average healthy adult man consumes 2500 calories a day, but it doesn't take just zero calories to kill you eventually. For instance, being reduced to 800 calories would be hard for him to make it for such a long time, particularly because he was very active the entire time which would make the situation worse. "The Martian diet"
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Panfilo posted:Right. Not only did the plants die, his "fertilizer" died too. The other potatoes wouldn't have necessary nitrogen and minerals to sustain growth I assume. The problem was that he only had a few unprocessed potatoes to start with (and he only had those because NASA wanted the crew to actually prepare a meal together during Thanksgiving) and only a little earth soil carrying growth critical microbes and he used it all. The decompression and freezing killed both the potatoes and the microbes.
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gohmak posted:I wish they wouldn't have left out the power drill killing Pathfinder, the rover flipping and the dust storm he had to traverse on his way to Ares IV MAV. That's disappointing to hear. Obviously the loss of contact is dependent on the tension in the dust storm because they can't warn him, so that takes a good amount of tension out of the plot, and the rover flip is one of the few points in the book where I was like WTF MUST READ NEXT CHAPTER NOW.
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I enjoyed the movie, apart from the omissions (which have to happen when cutting a long story down the 2 hours) it was incredibly faithful to the book. Definitely think it would work better having read the book, or reading the book after to understand details of things like why he couldn't grow more potatoes. The one big change from the book is the tone, as others have said you never really get a chance to feel the full tension of Watneys situation. I would have liked to see them keep the frying of Pathfinder even if it happens later on, and have a few minutes where Watney is making the journey out of contact with Earth. For that time he is without communications the film could have avoided showing Earth of Hermes, making the audience feel the disconnect.
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Why was the lander from a mission that wasn't going to happen for years sitting there waiting for him?
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UZR IS BULLSHIT posted:Why was the lander from a mission that wasn't going to happen for years sitting there waiting for him? They send them in advance of the mission to save time, money, resources, and reduce weight. It's actually a smart idea.
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It also has to spend a lot of time creating fuel on Mars (instead of bringing it) so that it's good to go when the astronauts arrive.
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Senjuro posted:Saw the movie last night and now I get to be one those guys that tells everyone that the book was better. The things that made the book popular, the in depth science and engineering details and the clever and creative problem solving, are almost completely gone. The constant feeling that Mark has to keep using every bit of ingenuity in him to keep on surviving is just not there. I'd only recommend the movie if you think you can enjoy the same story but without those elements in it. Also the movie spends a much larger percentage of time with the Earth characters than the book does which really undermines the strong sense of isolation you're supposed to feel when it focuses on Mars. this movie could be bad and it'd be still better than the book. this is like the easiest "the movie is better" situation in history.
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Panfilo posted:I know Watley was rationing to stretch out his food as long as possible. I was wondering how many calories a day he was likely consuming. I figure an average healthy adult man consumes 2500 calories a day ...
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Nelson Mandingo posted:They send them in advance of the mission to save time, money, resources, and reduce weight. It's actually a smart idea. It's also an insurance policy for the astronauts. If there was an issue with the ascent vehicle arriving, it won't strand the astronauts. They can plan the final manned portion at the end when everything else has worked. Panfilo fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Oct 3, 2015 |
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fondue posted:You can eat a lot less than that and be fine. Source: I eat 1600 calories a day and do just fine. How much walking around in space suits are you doing on a daily basis?
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Senor Tron posted:How much walking around in space suits are you doing on a daily basis? You would be surprised! (none)
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"No. I'm not going to turn the beat around. I refuse to do it." Fantastic movie all around, scientific nitpicking be damned. I especially thought that Sean Bean & Pals sitting at a table discussing the Council of Elrond was a nice script touch. Ya done good, Ridley Scott. You too, Damon. If any of you are planning on going to see this, see it in 3D if possible. The Martian landscape and horizon scenes were really well done.
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Senor Tron posted:How much walking around in space suits are you doing on a daily basis? At a third of his earth weight 
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Come on HBO. It's time for a KSR Mars tv series.
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Panfilo posted:I wonder if this movie will do well in China , since it makes Chinese government, particularly their space agency look really good. The main question of the film, given that it's a fairly clear example of utopian sci-fi, is what sort of utopia it's promoting. And that's where the nerd stuff should be taken quite seriously: the movie actually is about mutinous space pirates. The 'lol so wacky' reaction eclipses the fact that it's quite literally what's going on. So the movie's rather explicitly about nerds, modeling themselves after Tony Stark and the multiculti crews from Lord Of The Rings & Avengers - but who are Sauron and HYDRA in this analogy?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So the movie's rather explicitly about nerds, modeling themselves after Tony Stark and the multiculti crews from Lord Of The Rings & Avengers - but who are Sauron and HYDRA in this analogy? Mars and Space?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The main question of the film, given that it's a fairly clear example of utopian sci-fi, is what sort of utopia it's promoting.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The main question of the film, given that it's a fairly clear example of utopian sci-fi, is what sort of utopia it's promoting. I'm going to guess "the military-industrial complex". 1. The only mention of the military I can recall is that they will court-marshall the captain for being a mutinous space pirate. 2. That Hermes looks expensive as balls. The budget for that has to have come from somewhere. 3. Relations between the US and China seem way, way better than they are now. Neither side really seems to give any credence to keeping technological secrets from the other. In this case, a peace dividend could be expected that might explain point two. 4. Turbo nerd trivia, the space shuttle was massively crippled by requirements the military added in return for money. If it could have been funded fully without the defense department's involvement, it could have been more efficient. A utopia envisioned by NASA would presumably include some sort of revenge for that.
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Captain Magic posted:Mars and Space? Mars is Mordor. Hydra is NASA (the Nazgul) attempting to prevent the Ares III crew (the eagles) from rescuing Watney (Frodo) in a desolate landscape.
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I'm going to go see this again Thursday. It was so good. I think my only complaints were that I would have liked more scenes like the one where Watley is listening, terrified, to the dust storm after the hab blows up. And maybe that Donald Glover's character was just a bit too nerdprecious.
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Powered Descent posted:What's the hivemind of this thread think? Is the 3D worth it? Ribley Scott, filmed in 3D, probably worf it. I just saw it the 3D was pretty unobtrusive but real good for the opening scenese.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:And maybe that Donald Glover's character was just a bit too nerdprecious. Yeah, a bit, but I did love him taking a sip of old coffee, then grabbing a trash can to spit into, before remembering it was mesh. just a simple, well-executed gag.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The main question of the film, given that it's a fairly clear example of utopian sci-fi, is what sort of utopia it's promoting. Did you miss Watley telling the audience the moral of the story at the end?
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Coffee And Pie posted:Yeah, a bit, but I did love him taking a sip of old coffee, then grabbing a trash can to spit into, before remembering it was mesh. just a simple, well-executed gag. Oh, definitely.
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gohmak posted:To be fair the light it was attached to beeped and the sound was from the perspective of the ships atmo pressure before evac. Immersion preserved? Nah they had the sounds of the jets firing in space, the sound of the tether rolling out and stuff like that. There's been two Hollywood space blockbusters that didn't depict sound in space so it was disappointing for this one to do it.
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Arglebargle III posted:Did you miss Watley telling the audience the moral of the story at the end? No, but the moral is a tricky one. "You solve one problem and then the next. You solve enough problems and you get to come home." The movie's not spending 2 hours to tell you that, y'know, problems are bad. The point is the overall attitude of extreme pragmatism - deal with the individual problems, one after the other. Watney concludes that it was this pragmatic philosophy that got him home. But already we're getting into tricky territory. Watney is not really talking about his literal return to Earth but, rather, about the more abstract overcoming of hopelessness. It's a crucial distinction: pragmatism is useful to Watney regardless of whether it 'actually works'. We know full well that any number of things could have gone randomly, uncontrollably wrong during his stay - but that doesn't matter because Watney simply needed a belief to motivate him. This understanding also opens up the possibility that Watney has it wrong - that there's a gap between what he believes and what's actually true. That's where we get into the ideology of the film, because the characters are ultimately pushing for liberal gradualism.
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Really, really enjoyed this one. Also the man is on a planet by himself he can eat all the ketchup he wants.
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sticklefifer posted:That's disappointing to hear. Obviously the loss of contact is dependent on the tension in the dust storm because they can't warn him, so that takes a good amount of tension out of the plot, and the rover flip is one of the few points in the book where I was like WTF MUST READ NEXT CHAPTER NOW. Not really. The tension is already well-established. What you're asking for is for the filmmakers to run up Watney's score.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The main question of the film, given that it's a fairly clear example of utopian sci-fi, is what sort of utopia it's promoting. The bureaucrat head of NASA that continuously hamstrings the real scientists.
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Gotta be real I would not blow probably billions of dollars to rescue a goon on mars
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Anyone else notice the nod to Gravity by having George Clooney not slip away from the tether?that wasn't in the book.
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dangerdoom volvo posted:Gotta be real I would not blow probably billions of dollars to rescue a goon on mars This is a world where NASA's already got funding for five manned mars missions. What's a few billion more at that point.
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gohmak posted:Anyone else notice the nod to Gravity by having George Clooney not slip away from the tether?that wasn't in the book. That could be a not so personal joke between directors or a dick move by meddling Hollywood producers to add. "Hey, you know how in the book, his close friend felt responsible for not doing enough on sol 18 was the one to pilot the mmu to fetch Watney in the stripped out MAV? Yeah how about we switch that to Commander Lewis." "Oh, you know how in the book Watney came up with the cockamamie ironman glove thing that gave the crew the idea to blow the front air lock? Let's have him actually do it. The audiences love Ironman." Either way I rolled my eyes 3 times in a row and I've never done that.
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