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deadking
Apr 13, 2006

Hello? Charlemagne?!


Polegrinder posted:

I like neofolk, but one thing that bothers me is the connection it seems to have to fascism and neo-nazi beliefs. I find a cool band I like, but then I feel like I have to google to see if they are supportive of that ideology. I know it shouldn't bother me so much, and most likely the bands use that imagery for shock value, but it still makes me feel weird when I listen to stuff like Death in June and Darkwood in public. Am I just overreacting, or are they some neofolk bands that really do have those beliefs? BTW, Of the Wand and the moon is another good band.

If you like neofolk and the garbage ideologies of various neofolk artists is too off-putting, I suggest starting with (and maybe stopping with) Rome since Jerome is a left-leaning guy. Flowers from Exile, the album in the OP is probably my favorite, but it's hard not to recommend any of his albums. Passage to Rhodesia, his latest, is also really good.

I've also, I've really been digging Werkraum lately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWDA5GfOdjQ

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Zyklon B Zombie
Feb 13, 2005

Circling Overland

Soiled Meat

I'll agree that a lot of Death in June's newer stuff is crap, but Nada! is a legit amazing album and really unique. Douglas P is a huge piece of poo poo though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZVFY10Jjr0

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



If you like the more dance type stuff on Nada! it's worth checking out Sixth Comm, Patrick Leagas's solo project. The albums A Nothing Life and Content With Blood both have some new versions of songs he did with Death In June as well as new ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNj6eA7pX20
I wouldn't listen to much of his other solo material apart from these two albums though, it's not very good based on what I've heard.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



There's a new Current 93 album coming out soon

quote:

THE MOONS AT YOUR DOOR: the new album from The Final Clock Of Haunted Current 93.

Containing 2 long tracks, “The Moons At Your Door” and “There Is A Graveyard That Dwells In Man", this album has been recorded in Music As Ghost and recorded as Music For Ghosts. With cover artwork by David, the album will be released as a single vinyl LP, a single CD in digipak, and in an edition of 93 signed and numbered copies with 2 x 12” records with the obverse of each record screen-printed with artwork by David; additional Ghosts will also accompany the limited edition.

I'm interested to see what it sounds like, 2 long tracks sounds different from most of the recent stuff he's done.

Dr. Video Games 0081
Jan 19, 2005


I imagine it'll be more oriented toward experimental soundscape stuff like Haunted Waves, Moving Graves but I could be wrong.

Lunsku
May 20, 2006



I've always kind of put In Gowan Ring in the same bin as C93, Death in June and like, though it's very much more straight up folky than those tend to be. It's been a long long while since B'eirth put out anything under the name In Gowan Ring (hell, 13 years since the last album, Hazel Steps Through Weathered Home), but now there's suddenly new album out. Definitely check it out (and the previous ones too), B'eirth at his best makes some beautiful music.

The Serpent and the Dove in Spotify

Set A Candle In The Night from it in Youtube

Dr. Video Games 0081
Jan 19, 2005


That's great to know. The Glinting Spade was a huge album for me back in the day.

deadking
Apr 13, 2006

Hello? Charlemagne?!


My Blood and Sun lp came today. Blood and Sun is good: https://bloodandsun.bandcamp.com/al...ite-storms-fall

Dr. Video Games 0081
Jan 19, 2005


What is it about Soft Black Stars though that lifts us up into an eternal moment?

Dr. Video Games 0081
Jan 19, 2005


David Tibet accused of Satanism: http://www.unsound.pl/news/statemen...ons-of-satanism

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense





Fun Shoe

Anyone listened to the last Blood Axis lp? Haven't paid attention to Michael Moynihan in a while and just realized it existed.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

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Death in Rome does surprisingly good covers of pop songs in archetypal neo-folk style, which I think is brilliant.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Industrial has been totally-not-Nazi approximately since it started, and neofolk is industrialists picking up guitars. An incoherent ramble I wrote on the subject (and part 2) that was inexplicably well-received. A much better one by someone else from 1995.

Quite a lot of it is people being unable to believe that their friends really believe that. Not really really, especially when it's blatant. “We actually don’t mean it, really. … oh OK, that guy meant it. And yes I suppose we can’t actually declare him not one of us, even if we hate him. Well, if most of us hate him. Many of us. Some of us.” Schrödinger’s Nazi.

tl;dr the quest for really nice footwear leading to dark political places. Also edgelordery.

Obviously the answer is to write mopey acoustic guitar early Leonard Cohen with social justice warrior lyrics. Social Justice Neofolk could be the new apocalypse!

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Future Days
Oct 25, 2013

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I heard there's a point where you realize all C93 albums are tied together/make sense. I'm still trying to get there; Tibet's a loving prolific writer.
On a related note, I wear a DIJ whiphand shirt unironically and I listen to whatever crap Doug P. throws at me for the same reason I listen to Judas Priest and Erasure: White, uncircumcised gay cocks.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



divabot posted:

Industrial has been totally-not-Nazi approximately since it started

That's certainly true of a small number of industrial acts but not even remotely true of "industrial" as a whole, neither the founders of the genre nor most of the more well known or noteworthy contributors have any kind of "totally-not-Nazi" poo poo going on. Boyd Rice does of course, but major acts like Throbbing Gristle, Coil, Einsturzende Neubauten, Nurse With Wound, Test Dept, etc. really have/had nothing like that, nor did any of the major acts of later waves like Skinny Puppy or NIN. I hardly think Boyd Rice defines the genre.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Earwicker posted:

That's certainly true of a small number of industrial acts but not even remotely true of "industrial" as a whole, neither the founders of the genre nor most of the more well known or noteworthy contributors have any kind of "totally-not-Nazi" poo poo going on. Boyd Rice does of course, but major acts like Throbbing Gristle, Coil, Einsturzende Neubauten, Nurse With Wound, Test Dept, etc. really have/had nothing like that, nor did any of the major acts of later waves like Skinny Puppy or NIN. I hardly think Boyd Rice defines the genre.

The link I gave in the article (let alone my own two links) answers this question with nuance. If you go back and read them, I think you'll find the question addressed in vexed detail.

I think you're failing to address that any blatant naziing at all in a genre is gonna be a problem.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



That guy would be more credible if he didn't say things like "Violence is inevitably authoritarian and repressive: it is the forceable destruction of another person's freedom, even if only their freedom not to suffer pain." and call Test Dept. "thugs of the new left".

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



divabot posted:

The link I gave in the article (let alone my own two links) answers this question with nuance. If you go back and read them, I think you'll find the question addressed in vexed detail.

It really doesn't though because it seems to ignore the rather large number of industrial artists that don't use any kind of Nazi imagery at all and certainly don't have any kind of "totally not Nazi" routine going on.

I tried reading your piece and found it to be rather silly. Bands like Laibach used totalitarian imagery as a reaction to their own totalitarian government, not because of "footwear". It's also kind of hard to take seriously a piece of writing that uses terms like "edgelordery" and "trololol"

quote:

I think you're failing to address that any blatant naziing at all in a genre is gonna be a problem.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, there are blatant nazi's and or blatant racists in just about every genre of music that exists. There are some genres where they are more prominent than others of course but I don't think industrial is really one of them. The reason it comes up with neofolk is because there's a lot more of that going on including some of the most well known and influential acts associated with the genre, which remains kind of a niche thing. Industrial is substantially broader.

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Future Days
Oct 25, 2013

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Earwicker posted:

I'm not sure what you mean by this, there are blatant nazi's and or blatant racists in just about every genre of music that exists. There are some genres where they are more prominent than others of course but I don't think industrial is really one of them. The reason it comes up with neofolk is because there's a lot more of that going on including some of the most well known and influential acts associated with the genre, which remains kind of a niche thing. Industrial is substantially broader.

I think it's hilarious that the antifas protest outside DIJ's venues because of Douglas' blatant eurocentrism but don't do it outside a Morrisey concert even though the man himself is a bigger racist douche than most neofolk artists. vOv

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Future Days posted:

I think it's hilarious that the antifas protest outside DIJ's venues because of Douglas' blatant eurocentrism but don't do it outside a Morrisey concert even though the man himself is a bigger racist douche than most neofolk artists. vOv

because antifas are not broadly anti-racist in every possible context, they are specifically antifascist, and they latch on to DiJ because of his use of symbols explicitly associated with actual fascist organizations

morrissey is certainly a racist and an idiot but he's not a fascist

Earwicker fucked around with this message at Nov 8, 2015 around 17:44

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

Douglas P is just a big ol' troll. But I guess what he's doing actually works since he has people protesting him.

ASSASSINS!
Jan 2, 2009


didn't read the thread, but i love death in june and sucking white, uncircumcised penises. heil hitelr.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUPK4zaQl4

ASSASSINS!
Jan 2, 2009


Earwicker posted:

It really doesn't though because it seems to ignore the rather large number of industrial artists that don't use any kind of Nazi imagery at all and certainly don't have any kind of "totally not Nazi" routine going on.

I tried reading your piece and found it to be rather silly. Bands like Laibach used totalitarian imagery as a reaction to their own totalitarian government, not because of "footwear". It's also kind of hard to take seriously a piece of writing that uses terms like "edgelordery" and "trololol"


I'm not sure what you mean by this, there are blatant nazi's and or blatant racists in just about every genre of music that exists. There are some genres where they are more prominent than others of course but I don't think industrial is really one of them. The reason it comes up with neofolk is because there's a lot more of that going on including some of the most well known and influential acts associated with the genre, which remains kind of a niche thing. Industrial is substantially broader.
no, industrial music especially in its more noise oriented forms, has always flirted with fascist or racialist themes since the very beginning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQM3ZSKJ9VM

the "underground" of the industrial scene has and still does deal heavily with these sort of themes, just take a look at any genocide organ, grey wolves or von thronstahl album. industrial is basically right behind oi and black metal when it comes to scenes that full of nazis.

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loga mira
Feb 16, 2011

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE NAZIS?

Where I grew up any local band concrt was full of nazis. Why does this matter at all sdfsdfa/

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Well, poo poo, just found out John Murphy died. That's about him as Death In June member, but he did a ridiculous amount more than that. He was an old Australian punk rock guy who branched out into weird poo poo and playing with all manner of bands. A stupendously important figure in Australian indie rock.

On the neofolkisch side, he played with DIJ and Boyd Rice ... I saw both in 1995, at a show where DIJ and NON played with the same lineup, of Douglas, Boyd and John. Excellent show. Boyd only did a little of his "stupid person's idea of a smart person" lyrics. It rocked.

(Support was Black Lung, i.e. David Thrussell of Snog playing ambient techno. I literally didn't realise he'd started until 20-30 mins into his set.)

Dr. Video Games 0081
Jan 19, 2005


Future Days posted:

I heard there's a point where you realize all C93 albums are tied together/make sense. I'm still trying to get there; Tibet's a loving prolific writer.

Starting with, I'd say probably Of Ruine many of the major C93 albums have similar themes but different imagery. Particularly regret over Tibet's past, feeling separated from God, and longing for union with Him. Separation from God occurs at some point in childhood. So in Of Ruine there's the "I have not understood" in the Cloud of Unkowing which becomes "finally I have understood" in the climax of Dormition and Dominion. In All the Pretty Little Horses there's the "inmost night" which blots out the "inmost light." On more recent albums images like the Black Ships or the Baalstorm are the agents that separate Tibet from God and bring about the desire for re-union. For instance on Baalstorm check out the lyrics to December 1971 where Tibet imagines himself back in his childhood "with the storm so far in front of me."

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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So I just discovered Death In Rome. Holy poo poo, this is amazing.

das crikstar
Dec 11, 2015

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Death in June is really perfect for reading/studying/final semester of college. Very mellow, dreamy, yet intense. In fact I plan to listen to Di6 nonstop until graduation ceremony.

deadking
Apr 13, 2006

Hello? Charlemagne?!


Is anyone going to see Rome in Aarschot on March 5th? I'm in Utrecht around then and I'm debating making the trip down.

My Man Mollari
Apr 28, 2011

Everybody's cute! Even me. But in purple, I'm stunning!

It took me way too long to really get into Death in June. His style and lyrics both grooved with me, but his presentation didn't. A lot of what initially took me aback was my inability to figure out his politics.

I'm glad we have a Neofolk thread now. Jerome Reuter (Rome) has been one of my favorite artists for a while now. Mack Murphy and the Inmates, one of his previous groups, performed a lot of songs that were essentially rougher versions of Rome songs. They're a good listen if you want to experience neofolk transplanted to a different genre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O8YoeLyTMg

das crikstar
Dec 11, 2015

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divabot posted:

So I just discovered Death In Rome. Holy poo poo, this is amazing.

As cool as that is, it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to strum an acoustic guitar and sing a cover melody in a baritone, with bits of light percussion here and there.
But it's totally cool to breathe a completely different direction into a weird pop song..which is what they're going for and really neat!

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A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Death in Rome aren't a very good gimmick, but they did do a funny cover of Total War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weRaIqzJvbg

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.


MisterPlastic posted:

As cool as that is, it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to strum an acoustic guitar and sing a cover melody in a baritone, with bits of light percussion here and there.

neofolk.txt

Future Days
Oct 25, 2013

The Taurus didn't offer much for drivers craving the sport sedan experience. That changed with the 1989 debut of the Ford Taurus SHO (for Super High Output), a Q-ship of the finest order that offered up a high-revving Yamaha-designed V-6 engine and a tight sport suspension.

New stuff by ROME sounds great.

Also, there should be a neofolk.txt thread in D&D because

Das Butterbrot
Dec 2, 2005
Lecker.

Quick question because I have no idea how to categorize / explain this kind of music to my friends/acquaintances, but are projects like Wardruna and Forndom Neofolk? If not, what are they (other than freaking awesome)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbgvgk50e94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY-6GovWzhQ

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Das Butterbrot posted:

Quick question because I have no idea how to categorize / explain this kind of music to my friends/acquaintances, but are projects like Wardruna and Forndom Neofolk? If not, what are they (other than freaking awesome)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbgvgk50e94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY-6GovWzhQ

they're really just folk or acoustic with pagan themes, the people in them are coming from different backgrounds(metal in Trelldom's case, not too familiar with Forndorm) to most of the neofolk dudes(who mostly came from the industrial or punk scenes originally), and they're not really doing the reverbed guitar with spoken vocals thing either. Of course it gets a bit complicated because some neofolk people have done more traditional folk projects as well, but in those cases you still have people from the same scenes and bands involved.

God Of Paradise
Jan 23, 2012
You know, I'd be less worried about my 16 year old daughter dating a successful 40 year old cartoonist than dating a 16 year old loser.

I mean, Jesus, kid, at least date a motherfucker with abortion money and house to have sex at where your mother and I don't have to hear it. Also, if he treats her poorly, boom, that asshole's gonna catch a statch charge.

Please, John K. Date my daughter... Save her from dating smelly dropouts who wanna-be Soundcloud rappers.


In my opinion the best neo folk song is Black Ships Ate The Sky.

Zyklon B Zombie
Feb 13, 2005

Circling Overland

Soiled Meat

I just picked up Of the Wand and the Moon's album The Lone Descent, and I can't believe I haven't listened to these guys before. I love the western sounding twangy bass and trumpets that were my favorite parts about older Death in June stuff. Sunspot might be one of my favorite neofolk songs right now.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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A wild on-topic comment appears! David Tibet and Youth are doing an album as Hypnopazūzu, coming out next month. Here's a breathless writeup, with a track from the album.

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May 25, 2010



Soiled Meat

divabot posted:

A wild on-topic comment appears! David Tibet and Youth are doing an album as Hypnopazūzu, coming out next month. Here's a breathless writeup, with a track from the album.

I really like that sample track.

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