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Industrial has been totally-not-Nazi approximately since it started, and neofolk is industrialists picking up guitars. An incoherent ramble I wrote on the subject (and part 2) that was inexplicably well-received. A much better one by someone else from 1995. Quite a lot of it is people being unable to believe that their friends really believe that. Not really really, especially when it's blatant. “We actually don’t mean it, really. … oh OK, that guy meant it. And yes I suppose we can’t actually declare him not one of us, even if we hate him. Well, if most of us hate him. Many of us. Some of us.” Schrödinger’s Nazi. tl;dr the quest for really nice footwear leading to dark political places. Also edgelordery. Obviously the answer is to write mopey acoustic guitar early Leonard Cohen with social justice warrior lyrics. Social Justice Neofolk could be the new apocalypse! divabot fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Nov 7, 2015 |
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Earwicker posted:That's certainly true of a small number of industrial acts but not even remotely true of "industrial" as a whole, neither the founders of the genre nor most of the more well known or noteworthy contributors have any kind of "totally-not-Nazi" poo poo going on. Boyd Rice does of course, but major acts like Throbbing Gristle, Coil, Einsturzende Neubauten, Nurse With Wound, Test Dept, etc. really have/had nothing like that, nor did any of the major acts of later waves like Skinny Puppy or NIN. I hardly think Boyd Rice defines the genre. The link I gave in the article (let alone my own two links) answers this question with nuance. If you go back and read them, I think you'll find the question addressed in vexed detail. I think you're failing to address that any blatant naziing at all in a genre is gonna be a problem.
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Nov 8, 2015 08:34
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Well, poo poo, just found out John Murphy died. That's about him as Death In June member, but he did a ridiculous amount more than that. He was an old Australian punk rock guy who branched out into weird poo poo and playing with all manner of bands. A stupendously important figure in Australian indie rock. On the neofolkisch side, he played with DIJ and Boyd Rice ... I saw both in 1995, at a show where DIJ and NON played with the same lineup, of Douglas, Boyd and John. Excellent show. Boyd only did a little of his "stupid person's idea of a smart person" lyrics. It rocked. (Support was Black Lung, i.e. David Thrussell of Snog playing ambient techno. I literally didn't realise he'd started until 20-30 mins into his set.)
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Nov 29, 2015 22:55
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So I just discovered Death In Rome. Holy poo poo, this is amazing.
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Jan 24, 2016 11:34
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A wild on-topic comment appears! David Tibet and Youth are doing an album as Hypnopazūzu, coming out next month. Here's a breathless writeup, with a track from the album.
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Hitting the Bandcamp new releases pile hard, and amused how much I'm seeing the "neofolk" tag on records that are not from this sphere in any manner whatsoever. They seem to think it means "folky but, uh, hipper". I wonder when anyone will tell them. Or if they'll give a poo poo. c.f. this (actually a metal singer going country) or this (which manages to have the tags "neofolk" and "trip hop" on the same record). Perhaps we could just tag everything "witch house".
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Aug 27, 2016 18:33
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Earwicker posted:that second one actually sounds halfway decent so i agree it probably doesn't deserve to be smeared as "neofolk" right off the bat, but maybe if you read the lyrics it turns out they're totally not nazis ftfy we shall see
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Aug 27, 2016 21:20
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Earwicker posted:i'm surprised there's not a filk thread here that's Death In Rome 
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Aug 27, 2016 23:47
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Lengthy Dangerous Minds interview with David Tibet and Youth over their new album
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Sep 18, 2016 14:31
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deadking posted:There's a new Rome album out and it's great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kHooQCMIS8. the only comment: quote:Germany is in a special state as far as the true state of Deutschland. ixnay on the otallynay-otnay-azisnay
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Sep 22, 2016 06:58
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So I went to write this evening's Rocknerd post and called a lot of people Nazis. I'm sure this will make me even more friends. I did tell everyone to buy Death In Rome's album, though.
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Nov 2, 2016 23:57
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It's the most vexed issue about this stuff and there's no point in pretending it isn't. This Karl Blake post is rather pissed off and strident on the topic, but you can't say he doesn't know what he's talking about. Just been playing the new Disjecta Membra. They used to play with this lot a lot more, but have lately taken a pile of political positions stridently opposed, which is good. I wouldn't bother if I didn't like the stuff. Also, that Death In Rome shakycam has excellent sound and is worth playing at people and waiting for them to work out what it is.
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