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DeusExMachinima posted:OK, one thing that's bothering me is that we're told Rudi feeds prisoners to his dogs. But the guy we see him dragging is speaking German and looks pretty Aryan? I guess he could be a deserter but that brings up the question of why anyone would desert from the Wehrmacht when the war's going so well for them, particularly a cushy guard job way behind the front lines. Suspected traitors or "You have failed me for the last time" I'm guessing.
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Sep 9, 2015 16:13
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That'd certainly add another layer to the insanity and now that I think about it that's the most logical explanation. The Den is a research base not a prison or frontline stockade that POWs would naturally end up at. Although I'm probably putting more thought into this than MachineGames did.
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DeusExMachinima posted:OK, one thing that's bothering me is that we're told Rudi feeds prisoners to his dogs. But the guy we see him dragging is speaking German and looks pretty Aryan? I guess he could be a deserter but that brings up the question of why anyone would desert from the Wehrmacht when the war's going so well for them, particularly a cushy guard job way behind the front lines. Nazis killed a lot of Germans, too. Also, don't forget how heavily the Kreisau Circle factors into Wolfenstein; Wolfenstein has the actual native German resistance be a pretty big deal and so it's quite possible it's one of them.
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Sep 9, 2015 17:25
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Or a communist, a recently caught/exposed Jew, a priest, mentally ill, an alcoholic, Party member fallen from grace... Nazis killed a lot of people.
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Sep 9, 2015 17:36
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Yeah, with a regime like that people are going to start ratting on one another to settle personal scores. Not to mention there's still, y'know, actual criminals.
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Sep 9, 2015 17:58
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Part of this Castle Wolfenstein is also being used as an insane asylum, isn't it?
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Sep 9, 2015 18:05
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Alright what am I missing here. Why are those pipes so sharp.
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Sep 9, 2015 18:49
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hard counter posted:Alright what am I missing here. BJ exudes a knifing aura that turns things into suitable knives by his presence.
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Sep 9, 2015 18:57
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hard counter posted:Alright what am I missing here. They're not. BJ's that strong.
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Sep 9, 2015 18:59
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Night10194 posted:BJ exudes a knifing aura that turns things into suitable knives by his presence. Anya, no! Blind Sally posted:They're not. BJ's that strong. Good enough for me. Looking forward to this lp.
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Sep 9, 2015 19:15
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hard counter posted:Alright what am I missing here. BJ can kill at will, that's all it really is. Like someone said, if he had a spoon in the pit with him the game would be about him somehow tearing the castle down with that same spoon.
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Sep 9, 2015 22:38
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Lazyfire posted:BJ can kill at will, that's all it really is. Like someone said, if he had a spoon in the pit with him the game would be about him somehow tearing the castle down with that same spoon. We'd get a melee kill where he gouges the enemy's eyes out. Irony. Finished the TNO LP. That was a hell of a ride.
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Sep 9, 2015 23:01
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hard counter posted:Alright what am I missing here. It's like that scene in Chronicles of Riddick where he says he's gonna kill a guy with his tea cup, and then he actually does it.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:10
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Lazyfire posted:BJ can kill at will, that's all it really is. Like someone said, if he had a spoon in the pit with him the game would be about him somehow tearing the castle down with that same spoon. To be fair, there are quite a few ways to kill people with a spoon.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:14
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Why on Earth would any think its a good idea to send BJ on an undercover mission
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Sep 10, 2015 04:01
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1stGear posted:Why on Earth would any think its a good idea to send BJ on an undercover mission It usually works out in the end. After hundreds die.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:03
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1stGear posted:Why on Earth would any think its a good idea to send BJ on an undercover mission
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Sep 10, 2015 04:11
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1stGear posted:Why on Earth would any think its a good idea to send BJ on an undercover mission That's easy. It's not so he has to deal with Stealth, but rather it's to put him into a position such that when his cover is eventually blown, he is surrounded by Nazi's, and thus it matters not which direction he goes, Nazis will die! 
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Sep 10, 2015 04:21
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I dunno, how many witnesses does BJ usually leave? Someone badly misunderstanding that number could mistake him for a stealth god.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:22
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1stGear posted:Why on Earth would any think its a good idea to send BJ on an undercover mission BJ being stealthy is a marching band covered in fireworks. It's a stealth mission for everyone else while BJ Blazkowicz draws the attention of every Nazi in a 17 mile radius.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:40
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1stGear posted:Why on Earth would any think its a good idea to send BJ on an undercover mission When you don't expect it to stay undercover because you're up against a colorful and exotic roster of supernatural monsters, mad scientists and their creations, and possibly an ancient civilization that destroyed itself. For such situations, BJ is precisely the man you want to send.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:50
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It will always be funny to me that BJ is a spy. And not some kind of secret weapons project.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:52
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paragon1 posted:It will always be funny to me that BJ is a spy. And not some kind of secret weapons project. He is. The War Department wanted to see if they could implant a masonry block into a man's jaw. They succeeded.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:53
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:He is. The War Department wanted to see if they could implant a masonry block into a man's jaw. They succeeded. The allies had to counter the Nazi insane wartime superweapons with one of their own!
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Sep 10, 2015 05:12
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I think with Bj it's more that he looks suitably aryan enough to get him past the front lines. The point is that other people do the spying, he's more infiltration and extraction.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:17
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With respect to BJ being a spy, I remember the old adage: 'If nobody's left, nobody saw you'.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:48
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paragon1 posted:It will always be funny to me that BJ is a spy. And not some kind of secret weapons project. They just tell him that because they think telling him he's a cheap reusable blockbuster bomb will hurt his feelings.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:42
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Samovar posted:With respect to BJ being a spy, I remember the old adage: 'If nobody's left, nobody saw you'. The James Bond school of stealth.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:43
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DeusExMachinima posted:OK, one thing that's bothering me is that we're told Rudi feeds prisoners to his dogs. But the guy we see him dragging is speaking German and looks pretty Aryan? I guess he could be a deserter but that brings up the question of why anyone would desert from the Wehrmacht when the war's going so well for them, particularly a cushy guard job way behind the front lines. Well, they have excavations going on underneath the castle according to the radio call we overheard. And, I may be wrong, but I seem to remember the Nazi's being all about "Why dig this hole/build this plane/mill this bullet when we can make someone else do it at gunpoint? I'd imagine that situation could lead to quite a few possibilities for prisoners to end up in the dungeons.
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Sep 10, 2015 10:47
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Who was the artist in charge of character design, Tom of Finland? Not complaining, mind.
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 Some more sneaking around and seeing Rudi being mean to people followed by our first combat section in almost an hour and a half. Something I want to point out about the stealth in this game is that it is only slightly different from TNO, but different enough that people who were Stealth Experts in TNO (I got caught maybe twice in my LP, and at least once was on purpose) had some trouble with this game. There's a pretty simple reason why. Most of the stealth sections in the game require way more patience and more accounting of enemy positions than in TNO. In TNO you could cap someone inches away from another guy and so long as no one was looking your way the surviving Nazi would just walk around like nothing happened. In TOB that poo poo is incredibly rare. Enemies take greater notice of bodies, and will sound the alarm if you kill someone too close to them. Additionally, an enemy later in the game is not stealth killable and will be in a number of the later sections, making it more of a stealth puzzle or game of cat and mouse than it was in TNO. On top of all this, the game changes how the commanders patrol. Often you'll have a commander with a great deal of range that is an easy kill and then a commander seemingly hidden away somewhere or patrolling a very specific area. Altogether, this means having to sneak way more, plan out your route and keep track of the stealth-resistant enemies if you want to be able to get through a stealth area without raising an alarm. Personally, I welcome the change. The Subway mission of TNO had a stealth section where you could, with a little aiming skill and some good timing, hit both commanders in an area without moving a step. Good luck pulling that off here. Additionally, there are a few areas where it is completely possible to pass right by the commanders without killing them. It's something I don't take advantage of, but something you can do nonetheless. The only real downside to the new structure is that some areas are basically going to be near forced combat zones. There are a couple places later in the game that I just can't figure out how to sneak past them, and so I get spotted and I often feel like I need to run right for the commanders to end the fight I just started. Still, the reviews complaining about how the stealth was worse seemingly mistake "adding challenge" for "making it worse."
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Lazyfire posted:
I, uh... think you forgot to cut a thing that you meant to cut.  It's right at the beginning. And very funny.
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RickVoid posted:I, uh... think you forgot to cut a thing that you meant to cut. Yeah, I thought about cutting that but it was way too funny because I got so in the habit of saying I was playing Wolfenstein the New Order that literally every time I've started an episode I'm mentally saying "Don't say New Order. Don't say New Order." To the point where I believe the next episode starts off with me explaining I have trouble with it. As such, I've decided to just leave in mistakes like that instead of cutting them just so I have a record of how often I mess up. Edit: I actually missed cuts like this in three or so episodes of TNO and had to YouTube edit them away. If people don't find it as entertaining as I do I'll cut it out without having to re-upload. Lazyfire fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Sep 12, 2015 |
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Something for the Plaid Cymru voters in the audience: the powerfully Welsh Wesley is always referred to as "the Englishman" by the Nazis. Also, you should pay more attention to your best friend Rattty.
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Lazyfire posted:Yeah, I thought about cutting that but it was way too funny because I got so in the habit of saying I was playing Wolfenstein the New Order that literally every time I've started an episode I'm mentally saying "Don't say New Order. Don't say New Order." To the point where I believe the next episode starts off with me explaining I have trouble with it. As such, I've decided to just leave in mistakes like that instead of cutting them just so I have a record of how often I mess up. I figured it was probably something like that. You left yourself some time to cut it, though, so I figured I'd point it out in case you just forgot. I'm disappointed to hear we'll get less of the somewhat disturbing commentary from inside BJ's head. That "She said it was carried through the blood" bit felt particularly melancholy, and resonated with me as my Grandmother has dementia. Not sure what's worse, knowing that I will likely go through it, and my kids will have to deal with it (and their own kids will have to deal with them), or that I can already see the earliest stages in my Dad. 
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RickVoid posted:I figured it was probably something like that. You left yourself some time to cut it, though, so I figured I'd point it out in case you just forgot. I generally leave myself a clear editing mark and take down a note when I have to redo an intro or something, but I missed the mark this time and while reviewing the video I decided to keep it. Also, Jesus Christ I'm glad neither my or my wife's family have signs of dementia, it's such a terrifying prospect.
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Lazyfire posted:Also, Jesus Christ I'm glad neither my or my wife's family have signs of dementia, it's such a terrifying prospect. Don't worry, your brain will probably find its own unique and interesting way to go insane as it ages past its use-by date 
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Don't they have treatments for dementia? I could swear I read that they had ways of holding it off.
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Sep 12, 2015 01:59
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That isn't the first Nightmare bed, I think. There was one back in the intro chapter. Under the Gondola leading up to Castle Wolfentsein.
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CommissarMega posted:Don't they have treatments for dementia? I could swear I read that they had ways of holding it off. There are ways to treat some of the symptoms to lessen their effect, but that's about it. It depends a bit on exactly what is causing your brain to degrade, however in general the best you can do is minimize the effects and slow the progress a bit.
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Samovar posted:Well... there's definitely nothing REMOTELY homoerotic about that menu screen there. Not sure if you're joking but to go ahead and get the  out of the way it is a direct reference to one of the old box arts: Also looking forward to the rest of the LP Lazyfire. The Old Blood owns just as much as The New Order 
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