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Hal Incandenza posted:OK yeah I just saw that. IIRC it was mostly just his claim. Also I found him not interacting with me very suspect so when he started interacting with me and the game I felt better about him. I'd have to reread to get everything though, it was a while ago at this point.
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Opopanax posted:I feel like I've made lots, but my brain is still in vacation mode so maybe it's only clear to me. I have no power on my own, I'm vanilla and I would just pick a target for Sec to cop. I guess I confused things by saying I was a buddy cop earlier, I misspoke there This really feels like Opop realizing he hosed up and rewriting a narrative. First he says he was a buddy cop, then he says he wasn't really a buddy cop but we know he has SOME sort of buddy role but earlier he said being a buddy cop was his buddy boon. He definitely contradicts himself (well I think he does, his wording is so all over the place it is hard to even be sure) and then sort of drops it. Also BK, I would assume Buddyguard only comes into effect if Opop is shot by vig or NK, I don't think you would die if he were lynched, that would be more of a lovers role.
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Rarity posted:Anyway, I guess after the N1 flip I might as well claim. Here is flipped town buddycop Rarity describing her role. SHE was a buddy cop and sent her results to her buddy Asiina. Opop says no no, I don't have a buddy cop role (after saying he had a buddy cop role) but then he describes the buddy cop role as what he does. He's not making any sense, probably because he can't keep his story straight.
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Sep 21, 2015 00:52
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Hal Incandenza posted:This really feels like Opop realizing he hosed up and rewriting a narrative. First he says he was a buddy cop, then he says he wasn't really a buddy cop but we know he has SOME sort of buddy role but earlier he said being a buddy cop was his buddy boon. He definitely contradicts himself (well I think he does, his wording is so all over the place it is hard to even be sure) and then sort of drops it. It says I will die in place of him, either by kill or execution. Amoeba uses execute for lynch. I could PM him about it I guess.
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Sep 21, 2015 01:37
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BottleKnight posted:It says I will die in place of him, either by kill or execution. Amoeba uses execute for lynch. I could PM him about it I guess. Yeah that sounds like you would die either way, that's rough.
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Sep 21, 2015 02:06
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Hal Incandenza posted:Here is flipped town buddycop Rarity describing her role. SHE was a buddy cop and sent her results to her buddy Asiina. Opop says no no, I don't have a buddy cop role (after saying he had a buddy cop role) but then he describes the buddy cop role as what he does. He's not making any sense, probably because he can't keep his story straight. If you want to discuss someone not knowing what role they have... Hal Incandenza posted:No idea what Gym Buddy would be though. Hal Incandenza posted:Haha, I take that back! I was Gym Buddies with LutR so I was spotting her and watched her every night.  Regarding Opop, they muddied the poo poo out of it, but got it right overall: PR is "Town-aligned Vanilla," buddy boon is "Buddy Cop," as seen here: Amoeba102 posted:Section 31, Town-aligned Vanilla, Buddy Cop, has been unfriended Day 1. in this case, I suspect that Section 31 got that boon from a third person in the chain. Opop ---[BCop results]--> Section 31 ---[BCop results]--> Third Person (we'll never know who)
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Sep 21, 2015 05:59
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Alehkhs posted:If you want to discuss someone not knowing what role they have... Actually smartass I knew what role I had I just forgot it was called Gym Buddy. I had no questions about how my role worked. I disagree, Opop did not get it right at all.
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Sep 21, 2015 06:06
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From what Opop has described, his role should be given to him as Town-Aligned Vanilla, Buddy Cop But at various times he claims different things before finally going, well no I am vanilla, I didn't mean to imply I was a buddy cop because in his mind buddy cop is the one who gets results or something, but that doesn't jibe with his PM, or with Asiina's flip (Rarity's recipient of her buddy copping) which listed Asiina as Victory Buddy. Despite what Opop is trying to say (that he's now vanilla because his buddy is dead) he should still know he IS a buddy cop, it's what supposedly is right there in his role PM.
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Sep 21, 2015 06:12
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Opop described the role as "he tells section 31 who to cop", Rarity described it as "I cop someone and Asiina gets the results". It's a subtle but meaningful difference and makes me think Opop was making his up.
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Sep 21, 2015 06:14
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Hal Incandenza posted:Actually smartass I knew what role I had I just forgot it was called Gym Buddy. I had no questions about how my role worked. Also to go back to this point (which I assume you are making in reference to what I said about BK), it's a far cry from forgetting the flavor name of your role to BK having the same role as the one that was used to save him in the most significant event of the game and not making the connection to his own role and how it worked.
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Sep 21, 2015 06:17
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Hal Incandenza posted:Also to go back to this point (which I assume you are making in reference to what I said about BK), it's a far cry from forgetting the flavor name of your role to BK having the same role as the one that was used to save him in the most significant event of the game and not making the connection to his own role and how it worked. that was a pretty serious tactical error by me but I just read my role PM wrong. It's why I don't fault you for forgetting your name! It's actually the same thing, just different contexts.
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Sep 21, 2015 06:23
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Votecount for Day 4  MMM Whatchya Say (1): BottleKnight Hal Incandenza (0): BottleKnight, Not Voting (6): Alehkhs, Birdstrike, Hal Incandenza, MMM Whatchya Say, Opopanax, PodimaWith 7 alive, it's 4 votes to lynch. The current deadline is September 21st, 2015 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 16 hours, 34 minutes.
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Sep 21, 2015 11:27
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Hal Incandenza posted:From what Opop has described, his role should be given to him as Town-Aligned Vanilla, Buddy Cop  yeah. I'm not though
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Sep 21, 2015 13:44
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Opopanax posted:
Ok what is your buddy role?
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Sep 21, 2015 14:34
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What are all the claims at this point? We have town reads on Hal and alehkhs leaving podima, opop, BottleKnight and birdstrike right? Bottleknights buddy guard claim seems legit to me also I like his solving stuff. Town read here. Opop I think is scum, but I guess that's not an option right now. Podima seems fine to me. Birdstrike I've mostly been passing based on doc claim but that might be good to look at again.
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Sep 21, 2015 16:32
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It is possible I misunderstood the buddy cop thing completely.
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Sep 21, 2015 17:04
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Opopanax posted:It is possible I misunderstood the buddy cop thing completely. So... Hal Incandenza posted:Ok what is your buddy role? A nice, clear answer would be great.
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Sep 21, 2015 20:50
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I am a buddycop, I just read things properly and the fact that I'm also VT threw so me, so I kinda missed it
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Sep 21, 2015 21:00
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I've been thinking about this. LUTR prodded Hal to post more D1 instead of being useless. Hal, instead of ignoring this and continuing to play like Hal does, actually posted quite a bit and the prod was successful. People even commented that it was not Hal-like behavior (MMM? I'm not doing a full reread). So now that we know LUTR is scum, I think that, for sure, that interaction was forced, fake content for scum. What reason would scum LUTR have to prod players D1? It was a scum-to-scum interaction. ##vote Hal
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Sep 21, 2015 21:07
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Idk the way LUTR was talking to me I think she just doesn't Hals play style. I think Hal is a bad lead. A better direction would be the non copped players opop and birdstrike.
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Sep 21, 2015 21:12
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Although I don't really have anything for birdstrike, I think opop is the top priority buddy guard stuff or not. ##vote opop
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Sep 21, 2015 21:13
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I mean really, opop lies as scum all the time. In the last amoeba game I think he was the only one who lied. Lemme dig through his post history while this game has my attention.
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Sep 21, 2015 21:15
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I always lie, except for right now
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Sep 21, 2015 21:15
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Although I don't really have anything for birdstrike, I think opop is the top priority buddy guard stuff or not. I would happily die for your lynch I guess??
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Sep 21, 2015 21:16
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If you're protecting a bad guy you can't win and stay alive bk.
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Sep 21, 2015 21:17
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:If you're protecting a bad guy you can't win and stay alive bk. I know, I know. and I've been terrible at finding scum this game but I've been trying and honestly if the setup allows town to be bodyguards for a scum then that sucks anyways! but yeah lynching me (well, opop, and probably then me) isn't a terrible idea.
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Sep 21, 2015 21:18
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But also if you're scum MMM this is a beautiful opportunity for you to do a chain lynch, get 4 townies dead and win the game. Honestly.
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Sep 21, 2015 21:19
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Yeah, why exactly am I a top priority, MMM? You didn't really mention me until you decided I was scum, but I don't think you've said why yet.
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Sep 21, 2015 21:20
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I've mentioned you being scum before I'm pretty sure! It's top priority because if we let you slip by for too long you just can't be killed, assuming bk is accurately describing his role
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Sep 21, 2015 21:22
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Idk the way LUTR was talking to me I think she just doesn't Hals play style. I think Hal is a bad lead. Wait, what's this about?
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Sep 21, 2015 21:23
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I just went through LUTR's history and she never mentions Hal to you
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Sep 21, 2015 21:43
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She said something about Hal being a trash player and I don't think that's related to her alignment
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Sep 21, 2015 21:43
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Opopanax posted:I just went through LUTR's history and she never mentions Hal to you Oh it must have just been to the thread in general
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Sep 21, 2015 21:44
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Have you claimed, MMM? I kind of feel like we're at that point in the game, and you're being squirrelly
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Sep 21, 2015 21:45
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I'm VT
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Sep 21, 2015 21:51
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Sep 21, 2015 21:53
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And nothing else that needs saying.
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Sep 21, 2015 21:56
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:And nothing else that needs saying. read: 'buddykiller' 
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BottleKnight posted:I've been thinking about this. LUTR prodded Hal to post more D1 instead of being useless. Hal, instead of ignoring this and continuing to play like Hal does, actually posted quite a bit and the prod was successful. People even commented that it was not Hal-like behavior (MMM? I'm not doing a full reread). So now that we know LUTR is scum, I think that, for sure, that interaction was forced, fake content for scum. What reason would scum LUTR have to prod players D1? It was a scum-to-scum interaction. That's like the flimsiest reason to vote a cleared person I've ever seen. So you are back to thinking I lied about being 1-shot BP? Why would I not just say vanilla or something that actually sounded useful then? Why claim something testable? Why would I need LutR to prompt me in the thread instead of a scumdoc? I could have just come in and post. Also why would she have to be so mean? Stop forcing your narrative onto me
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