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apostateCourier posted:Sorry. Been doing a lot of driving, then Shovel Knight: Plague of Shadows came out and I kinda binged the entire thing. Who else? What are your opinions on Rarity and Chamale?
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Captain Foo posted:it's a one-line case on the current voteleader after being absent and lurky even before then and it's easily walked back on later Also, he "would vote" but doesn't actually vote
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Also, he "would vote" but doesn't actually vote She  also I thought we were avoiding closing the day out too quickly?
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apostateCourier posted:She if you voted lowell right now that'd put him at -3 with a full real-time day to go wtf u talkin about m8
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apostateCourier posted:She Sorry. Answer my other questions.
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I'm more on Ace than either of them, actually. I agree with Rarity there. Though Chamale certainly wouldn't shut up with the "I'm town, I'm town!" stuff. As for Rarity, I'm torn.  I always feel weird voting for people I agree with.Captain Foo posted:if you voted lowell right now that'd put him at -3 with a full real-time day to go Oh, fair enough. rip me not looking at the votefinder ##vote lowell
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Captain Foo posted:if you voted lowell right now that'd put him at -3 with a full real-time day to go Foo has a decent point here. Who else "would" you vote for today?
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Rarity posted:Foo has a decent point here. Who else "would" you vote for today? I'd vote for Ace. Cham too.
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apostateCourier posted:I'm more on Ace than either of them, actually. I agree with Rarity there. Though Chamale certainly wouldn't shut up with the "I'm town, I'm town!" stuff. I'm not clear on what alignment you think Chamale is.
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Eh on a reread I'm pretty sure Cham is town. I don't see scum throwing down double votes willy-nilly.
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Acebuckeye:Acebuckeye13 posted:Generally I know who I'm playing with, so I can judge them by how they talk/act when faced with specific accusations. Obviously, this isn't the case here-I don't know anyone, I don't know how anyone usually acts, and the specifics of the format make it much more difficult to judge who's a bad liar and who isn't. So forgive me if I stay out of the opening discussion, since at this point I can't honestly judge any of it. Started the game off with a whole lot of lurking. Rarity and Lumpen see this as scummy. Acebuckeye13 posted:Now this is how I know to play Mafia: in an exceedingly petty fashion. Ace response to Rarity. Ace’s distrust of Rarity marked for first time, flavor claim made, first vote. Captain Foo posted:##vote ace13 Foo takes exception. Foo’s begins to distrust Ace? Later backs up vote against Ace with: Captain Foo posted:it's an vote dropped on someone who had a little bit of pressure with a flippant explanation + an unneeded flavorclaim Someone Awful! posted:This post is really weird. Someone begins to distrust Ace? Rarity posted:Why did you suddenly feel the need to claim flavour? Ace never answers this. Can we make a good case for the Cheedo role being a Townie role like the other wives? Lumpen posted:LumpenList™ Day 1 Page 10 Acebuckeye13 posted:One of the best action movies ever made, and you haven't seen it? Come on, man. I've seen it like five times and statistically, according to Lumpen, I'm the worst player in here. Ace makes a garbage vote against Kash (Dag - Town). Never expands thought process on this. End D1. Kash lynched, TMM killed in N1 (Valkyrie - Town) by scum, Ernie killed in N1 (most likely killed by SK Hiip). Lumpen is decidedly not cool Ace’s logic afterwards. D2, apostate fingers Hiip as scum. Acebuckeye13 posted:Tomorrow or the day after would be better, since if apostateCourier is right, we're getting rid of a Scumbag, if they're not, apostateCourier is almost certainly scum, so we're basically guaranteed that we're going to get a Scum-aligned player either today or tomorrow. I'm not saying Opop ISN'T Scum, mind you, but I'd rather go for the sure thing right away than taking a chance. We can even make a calender! :v Ace is down to kill Hiip (Buzzard/Serial Killer - Scum) and open to killing Opop (Scum). After Hiip is gunned down by f_v, Ace jumps on the kill Opop train. End D2. Opop (Bullet Farmer/Assasin - Scum) lynched, Lumpen (Capable/Mason - Town) killed by scum. Acebuckeye13 posted:I'm goin' with the War Rig on this one, especially after imgay's last post. Joins the anti-imgay brigade after I reveal my bus driving. Acebuckeye13 posted:Either way, it makes sense to hold off on imgay this round, since we basically have one of two possible results if we wait: Ace continues distrusting imgay, comes up with a solution for dealing with him. Foo asks who Ace wants to lynch for D3, Ace wants to hold off judgement to re-read. Result: Acebuckeye13 posted:Actually, looking back at it I'm thinking Rarity is a pretty strong Scum candidate. Returns to distrusting Rarity. Votes for Rarity. Rarity posted:Ace and Chamale looking like a really likely scumteam. Rarity throws down on Ace for the rest of page 23. Ace responds: Acebuckeye13 posted:Or, you know, you posted them at three in the morning and after getting up and going to class this is the first chance I've had to respond. I don't play Werewolf very often (Last time was back in May) and no, I don't know what a Chain Lynch is, or how it fits into you trying to paint me as Scum. Ace supports votes on Rarity, imgay, and Cham. Acebuckeye13 posted:Here's what my thoughts were- Colonel’s Conclusion: Ace started off weak and unwilling to add much to conversation. hosed up on Kash with many of us but afterwards started posting more rationale with quotes and poo poo. Open to discussion and others' opinions. Has actually voted to kill scum. Probably Town. Lingering questions: Why the gently caress did you claim Cheedo? What can we all conclude from that? Overall, I think we have other people worry about more than Ace at the moment. Apostate, you're next. 
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apostateCourier posted:I'd vote for Ace. Cham too. what's your case for ace, i don't see it
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as can be seen i've taken exception to his posts earlier in the game, but why would you potentially vote him today over someone else?
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Captain Foo posted:as can be seen i've taken exception to his posts earlier in the game, but why would you potentially vote him today over someone else? This coming directly after a big post detailing exactly why Ace is actually pretty towny? I wouldn't now.
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apostateCourier posted:This coming directly after a big post detailing exactly why Ace is actually pretty towny? I wouldn't now. it's possible that you had a different opinion
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Captain Foo posted:it's possible that you had a different opinion Based on an outdated read. Honestly I'm coasting pretty badly and I know it. Rough couple days have sapped my will to play quite a bit.
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Captain Foo posted:having imgay as "defensive" seems like a weird reason to have him in the maxscum slot on your list unless there's something else you want to clarify lowell should respond to this
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apostateCourier posted:Rough couple days have sapped my will to play quite a bit.  hope everything starts turning your way soon
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apostateCourier posted:Based on an outdated read. Honestly I'm coasting pretty badly and I know it. Rough couple days have sapped my will to play quite a bit. I'm really sorry to hear this. Hope you're OK aC.
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Colonel Corazon posted:I'm really sorry to hear this. Hope you're OK aC. Nothing like that, not like nearly every other game I've been in where tragedy strikes  Just really draining days. Lots of driving. A stupid amount of driving.
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Saying what flavor I was at that point in time was, to put it bluntly, a fuckup. Having played in games with roles, not flavors, at the time I thought flavor would take a far more... let's call it open role than it really does-especially since I found this game through the movie thread (I'm a big fan of the movie, if you can't tell ). Were the game to start over again, or were I to play in another game of Mafia over the forums, I'd definitely avoid claiming until it actually became relevant.
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apostateCourier posted:Nothing like that, not like nearly every other game I've been in where tragedy strikes Having just moved to DC for grad school and having to fight through 495 traffic, I can sympathize with this.
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Apostate (AC): Starts out with joke vote on imgay, and the Lumpen. Unvotes. apostateCourier posted:Lumpen's basically the driving force behind this game, until I see how he responds to flips that gets him a pass as far as I'm concerned. AC’s first assessment. Lumpen, TMM, and Ernie are later confirmed Town. Doesn’t have much to say. Lumpen posted:LumpenList™ Day 1 Page 10 AC earns a spot on Lumpen’s suspicion radar but Lumpen doesn’t elaborate. AC doesn’t post. Foo calls AC out for lurking on page 11. Kashuno notices and says: Kashuno posted:This is your first content post of the game. Of the list of people you mention, you only call one of them scum. Despite this, you don't vote for the one scum read you have. apostateCourier posted:I will agree that it was my first content post. I will disagree on your charge of not voting on the grounds that this was me getting some words in on current topics of conversation, plus a thing about Foo. I still have more people to read. apostateCourier posted:
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But looking through page by page I can understand more about the anti-AC angle. There is just much space between responses. However I still am onto Rarity and imgay for scum. Lowell sticks out too but I can't decide why. I must continue my quest: Foo you are next!
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I want to keep in mind that Rarity was the first to vote for LowellDND, while she was the voteleader and wanting to throw suspicion elsewhere. Of the others voting for LowellDND, I consider Someone Awful! fairly trustworthy so far, but ApostateCourier looks suspicious to me and I think Corazon's analysis above is drat good. So that's two suspect people and one probably-Town person voting for LowellDND. I want to hear how well LowellDND defends himself, but at this point I don't consider him a major suspect.
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Chamale posted:I want to keep in mind that Rarity was the first to vote for LowellDND, while she was the voteleader and wanting to throw suspicion elsewhere. Of the others voting for LowellDND, I consider Someone Awful! fairly trustworthy so far, but ApostateCourier looks suspicious to me and I think Corazon's analysis above is drat good. So that's two suspect people and one probably-Town person voting for LowellDND. I want to hear how well LowellDND defends himself, but at this point I don't consider him a major suspect. My analysis isn't as developed as other players (first game), but Apostate and Rarity were both on my suspect list, and following Rarity going lead she switched to me (and seems to have brought Apostate with her). I will completely agree that my vote closed the 2nd day (and was band wagoning as all hell), but it was my understanding that we wanted to stack up some bodies to get some data. In hindsight I probably would have been slower to close that vote, and probably done more analysis earlier on. For day one, I was voting Lumpen until he persuaded me otherwise (pointing out how the mason thing worked etc), and then Kash because he seemed low content. I will note that nine other players agreed with me on that, so while I've made mistakes I've been in a lot of company. At the current time, I do think Rarity is sketchy, and a lot of the current strategy appears to be 'no u' while rallying people to target me after I made note of her sketchiness.
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Foo: Joke votes TMM. Unvotes. Is busy til Monday but unleashes the gates of hell when they have time to post. Unsure of Lumpen’s notstop posting and what it means. Thinks Someone Awful is Town. Encourages people to explain their votes/suspicions. quote:
Foo analysis. Makes good points. Open and analytical. Town. Rarity agrees: Rarity posted:This is a solid and well thought post, I'm liking Foo for town. Foo continues to be critical of Lumpen’s reasoning. Foo calls everyone out. A trend. Acebuckeye gets into a pissing matching with Rarity so Foo votes seriously this time: Captain Foo posted:##vote ace13 But doesn’t explain. LumpenList #1 tags Captain Foo as Suspicious. Foo goes down a list of people: Captain Foo posted:i don't find opop suspicious right now as much as completely inscrutable as i usually find him, and he often ends up on my want-to-lynch lists because I have a very difficult time dealing with him Captain Foo posted:i would agree that ernie is scummy, i would disagree that rarity is scummy Captain Foo posted:i have a neutral read on f_v so far but I would like her (correct me if wrong) to post some actual reads now that we're past contentgaming Kash likes Foo for Town. Foo explains his vote on Ace: Captain Foo posted:he has no content other than a thoroughly garbage vote; we have plenty of new players here that are doing far better. I think that vote was probably the single worst thing i've seen so far in the thread and my gut was to drop a vote on it Captain Foo posted:it's an vote dropped on someone who had a little bit of pressure with a flippant explanation + an unneeded flavorclaim apostateCourier posted:Foo calling me out wins him some points, to be honest. Getting people who haven't been posting back in the game is a Good Thing. AC is cool with Foo. Foo is pretty much open to any good argument for voting. Foo calls Kash out for being aggro with AC and gives AC a chance to post more content. Not swayed by the Kash and doesn’t become one of the idiots voting for Kash (like me). Votes for Opop (scum) at the end of the day.Captain Foo posted:would vote ace, chamale, kash, ernie, ac, opop, or lumpen End D1: Kash lynched (Dag - Town), TMM killed in N1 (Valkyrie - Town) by scum, Ernie killed in N1 (most likely killed by SK Hiip). D2: Consistent with previous vote: Captain Foo posted:##vote opop i don't really care that this is -1 already Lumpen upgrades Foo to trustworthy on his D2 list. Foo votes imgay which leads to imgay’s Max/Cop reveal. Foo is skeptical but unvotes on imgay. Foo looks for dudes who wants Lumpen dead based on who Lumpen was gunning for: Captain Foo posted:of these, TMM, Kash, Ernie, Opop are dead Foo is not cool with Cham and AC. Foo is cool with Someone Awful, me, and f_v. Suspects Rarity a bit. Rarity calls Foo the “towniest” but still only gives Foo a tentative trust. Foo votes Cham. When I ask why Foo still suspects AC: Captain Foo posted:what imgay and lumpen said about 1-shot cop being odd with a real cop unless it's part of a joat rings true Foo votes AC and has existential crisis over the so many ways the scum could be working. Not sure where Foo will finally end up but will probably vote with a good rationale. Colonel’s Conclusion: Consistently open to other’s arguments and readily offers their own rationale. Calls everyone out. Not a fan of lurkers and people who vote/point fingers without reasons. Has been on the right side of the votes. Ready to hear opinions til the last second. Definitely Town. Possibly secretly wants Lumpen to be their dad.
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LowellDND posted:My analysis isn't as developed as other players (first game), but Apostate and Rarity were both on my suspect list, and following Rarity going lead she switched to me (and seems to have brought Apostate with her). I will completely agree that my vote closed the 2nd day (and was band wagoning as all hell), but it was my understanding that we wanted to stack up some bodies to get some data. In hindsight I probably would have been slower to close that vote, and probably done more analysis earlier on. What stood out is sketchy? I just finished a third full thread re-read and Rarity has so many quotes to pull from so I'm curious to see what stuck out to you.
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Chamale: Lumpen goes on as I’ve learned is his way. Cham’s response? Chamale posted:Look how slick he's fooled you! But why, Cham, Lumpen asks? Chamale posted:Aaaaaaah! Rarity is not on board: Rarity posted:Hi, it's great to have you playing Chamale posted:No one else has seemed suspicious to me yet other than the three I named. I see that Lumpen and Kashuno are posting a lot and not doing well to defend themselves, whereas your posting has me thinking that you're probably Town-aligned like me. The other people posting have not drawn my attention in any particular way. I'll point out that it's of course possible some of the other new people are Scum we haven't spotted and they're laying low, but I'm confident that the three I named are Scum. Of course if they kill me to shut me up, that's a flashing neon sign that says I was right, so I don't know how they're going to act. TMM points out logic flaws and Cham is open to criticism. Chamale posted:Killing everyone and everything! Cham is totally fixed on Lumpen being scum. Probably why Lumpen was convinced Cham was scum. These players’ positions on eachother are pretty consistent since D1 (and remember Lumpen was targeted N1 before I swapped them for TMM). AC and Foo criticize Cham’s reasoning. Lumpen tags Cham as Suspicious in LumpenList #1. Someone Awful adds their suspicion towards Cham. Lumpen grows more suspicious but respects the Newbie Code. Rarity points out that it’s strange when Opop’s name first comes up. Cham chimes in agreeably: Chamale posted:We agreed. Opop also seems to have suspicions of Lumpen and Kashuno, and I also suspect both of them, so I'd rather vote for one of them. And onto the Kash trainwreck. We know how this goes.D2: Lumpen posted:##vote Chamale Shut up, Lumpen they are cool and good but everything else Lumpen says is still pretty valid now. Hiip is iced before Cham gets input. Cham is conspicuously absent for awhile. Lumpen puts opop first on the vote list but clearly plans for Cham to be their next vote. Cham misses the lynch for opop (scum). D2: Cham ups their logic game: Chamale posted:He'll hurt us, alright. Doubles down on imgay and reveals their job/flavor as Pregnant Chick/Double Voter which everyone thinks is very unlikely to be scum oriented. Ties their Townieness to flavor which isn’t easy for me to savor. Imgay responds like an idiot: imgay posted:Lol cham you should reread It will be a trend. Cham makes a fair point: Chamale posted:There's the People Eater himself. Someone Awful isn’t quite sure about all this. Cham seems to open up a lot now to other people’s questioning and reasonings. I point out that Cham has good motive to kill Lumpen. Captain Foo posted:of these, TMM, Kash, Ernie, Opop are dead So does Foo. Cham explains: Chamale posted:Big rigs! I didn't understand the Colonel Corazon connection, you're right. The Scum were evidently trying to kill Lumpen two days in a row. imgay, Rarity, Foo, Ace, and myself strongly suspect Cham. Foo votes for Cham but later rescinds. f_v isn’t so sure on Cham and I lose a bit of suspicion too: Colonel Corazon posted:So I keep thinking about how stupid it would be for Cham and the scum to kill Lumpen if Lumpen was the only one pointing a finger at Cham. I appear to make a better defense of Cham than Cham. Cham grabs on to this argument, invokes flavor arguments, and points the finger at Rarity (with much better thought out reasoning than when they started the game). Lowell maybe thinks Cham is scum. Rarity decides Cham is too dumb to be scum. Cham still thinks Rarity is scum: Chamale posted:True. imgay is backed up by the flavour argument which I think is solid, whereas Rarity is going out of her way to ridicule flavour arguments because she can't come up with a flavour defense for herself. Cham isn’t currently voting. Colonel’s Conclusion: Sweet baby Cham is a hot mess. Has a good reason for wanting Lumpen dead but it seems too obvious and sweet baby Cham is setting themselves up as a wonderful target for scum to use to bait the rest of us. Has really hosed up their votes but seems more indecisive and easily redirected than scum. Don’t trust Cham, possibly Scum, but others still stick out more since we know Cham has the double vote and, if not lying, is the pregnant chick from Fury Road (and would be Town-aligned based on the other wives’ reveals). I think I’ve already defended Cham better than Cham has. But Cham really likes Fury Road which is a Good and Correct opinion. So dear sweet baby Cham, for all your effort:  (and remember how this scene ends you possible scum muthafucka)
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imgay posted:You have to look at stuff in context I can sum you up as: Never has a good answer, can't prove poo poo, and has dumb responses. But someone else is still just in front of you: ##vote Rarity I'll skip others for now to analyze Rarity. All these rereads are pointing me to Rarity as a priority lynch and I' rather justify my vote now and finish the rest later.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Please stop posting pictures of Tom Hardy. I can't concentrate on the game. My ultimate deflection strategy.
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That's some pretty solid analysis and I definitely agree with your conclusions so far. Nice work!
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Rarity: Lumpen posts a lot. Many people don’t like it. Rarity is one of them: Rarity posted:This is very tempting. I don't like how he's come out of the gates so hard, he's trying to take control of the game. Could it be for NEFARIOUS PURPOSES hmmmmm Lumpen posted:Rarity, I think this post seems disingenuous. Do you really believe I've done anything to "take control of the game" in my 17 posts? I haven't even advocated any lynches. Playing content game gets people to post and creates something to post about. It encourages a more active game, and that is good for Town. I would love for everyone to get super engaged and come out of the gates hard, although I know it's the weekend. Rarity posted:It's not about pushing for lynches or anything like that. My read on you is based on your assertive tone and extensive flaunting of your mafia experience. This is a newbie heavy game and I think you're trying to get the newbies to fall in line with your way of thinking so you can take the role of town leader. Yes, content game is good and useful but it's early days so relying on it now to drive content looks like a crutch because you want to push the game in the direction you want instead of letting it develop naturally. I also don't like you praising my mafia ability, I never trust flattery. It begins. Rarity votes for Lumpen. It’s still Jokeround maybe so it’s not taken too seriously. Lumpen’s first analysis: Lumpen posted:#1 Rarity, based on her hedgey, hesitant post followed by doubling down to make an opportunistic bandwagon vote with glaringly insincere justification. We find out that Ernie and Kash are town eventually. In the mean time, f_v is not down with Rarity’s vote: fiery_valkyrie posted:Really? This is some serious low hanging fruit. Rarity posted:Content game is best used in anaemic games where you're on D2 or D3 and still nobody's really doing anything and/or loads of people are lurking. That's the point where content game is a really good tool to get people posting or to focus people's reads. Lumpen posted:How many players in this game have posted more than the mod? How many have posted less? I was bored yesterday, and want Mafia action. I want to encourage posting and get the newbies involved. f_v and Lumpen vote Rarity. f_v still not buying Rarity’s arguments. Someone Awful! posted:I dunno, I don't read Lumpen as nervous so much as really really assertive. The way he seems to be trying to control the dialog from the outset has me feeling uncertain. Yes, he's generating content, which is good, but is it helpful content? I haven't really learned anything from content game, personally. It seems like an easy route towards looking like a helpful townie while not actually accomplishing much. Someone indicates trust towards Rarity but is on guard. Lumpen posted:Well, some people do play terribly, do stupid things, and lose the game as Scum, that's true. But it's not bullshit to say to new players "Scum tend to lurk (especially here at SA) because it is the #1 most successful strategy", and to fight against the tide of lurk-enabling (such as piling on active posters), and that's what I'm getting at. Lumpen points this out on Rarity, which becomes a trend in Rarity’s future posts. Foo isn’t buying Lumpen’s argument completely, however. Rarity goes on to disagree with f_v and Lumpen. Ernie points out that Hiip is a shady motherfucker (Ernie ends up being right). Rarity jumps in: Rarity posted:This is a good post that makes a good point. Furthermore, it's making me wonder if Hiipfire and Opop are hiding behind an essential policy lynch to prevent having to make content. But why bring up Opop? Rarity likes Foo for Town (a common, safe opinion). TMM thinks Kash and Rarity are good Scum votes. Kash responds that TMM always says that about him. Rarity latches on: Rarity posted:This post gives me ~*vibes*~, I feel like Kash is trying to make a show of being casual. Rarity ignores TMM’s jab and focuses it on Kash. TMM still puts Rarity as #3 on their hitlist (following Hiip and Kash). Lumpen unvotes Rarity since she’s finally posting content. While f_v and Rarity go back and forth, Rarity increases her support for Lumpen as scum and draws all discussion towards Lumpen’s posting. Lumpen fires back, since Rarity isn’t providing quotes or evidence. This is also a trend with Rarity. As a side note, I notice that Kash’s post: Kashuno posted:Can I invoke Madman's Law (TM) and claim the second vote on me is definitely scum? Ended up being right. Opop was that vote. RIP Kash. Ace pettily votes for Rarity. Slapfight ensues. Lumpen lists Rarity as Super Scum on D1 list. AC isn’t sold on Rarity. Someone isn’t sold either. Kash votes AC and Rarity backs it up (but adds no vote). Rarity posted:Really not liking this explanation. I feel like TM's analysis is faked and lacking considering the amount of their conversation. Rarity doesn’t like TMM’s input on imgay. Rarity posted:All caught up. Still prefer a Lumpen lynch, would be happy with Ace and could be swayed towards TM and maybe Kash. No real strong town reads except Foo Reminder that Lumpen, Kash, and TMM end up innocent. TMM pushes on Rarity’s opinion of imgay: Rarity posted:You're making two different points about two different people and I'm reacting to them as I see them, I can like one and not the other. Answer??? Rarity points out that she likes Ernie’s read as Hiip as scum. Turns out to be right. Hiip as the serial killer is everyone’s problem. Rarity seems cool with Ernie (ends up Town). TMMadman posted:OK, my guess for scum team is now imgay, ernie and Rarity. Would vote any of them today, already voting ernie. TMM willing to kill Rarity. Rarity redirects TMM: Rarity posted:What's your case on Ernie? Feel free to just link it. Lumpen backs off on Rarity and points fingers at Ernie but then brings up Opop. A good and cool forms to kill Opop (Scum) until:Rarity posted:I'd vote Opop if it came down to it but I think there are better lynches out there and enough people to pull them off Lumpen posted:Opop was here today, he just didn't say much of anything Lumpen has solid justification. Foo asks Rarity who would be better than Opop: Rarity posted:People who I think we can realistically get are Lumpen and Kash, both of whom would be better lynches. Lumpen and Kash. Townies. Rarity turns down the heat on Opop. So when the deadline looms? Rarity posted:Doing my bit Well ok. That sure is a reason. Jumps right on board the Kash-killing train. End D1: Kash lynched (Dag - Town), TMM killed in N1 (Valkyrie - Town) by scum, Ernie killed in N1 (most likely killed by SK Hiip). Lumpen was supposed to be killed instead of TMM. Who were Lumpen’s enemies on D1? votefinder posted:Votecount for Day 1 Hiip (Scum), Opop (Scum), Lowell, AC, Kash (Town), Rarity, Cham. I’m thinking it’s more important to remember Lumpen’s D1 enemies going into his N2 death. Lowell, Rarity, and Cham survived to be able to kill him. D2: Lumpen points out Rarity’s defense of Opop and still claims Opop is a scum (rightfully so). Hiip gets mowed down. Rarity goes silent for awhile but I’m confident it’s the timezone difference. Opop restarts and Rarity isn’t around to have her say. Imgay chimes in to ask why Opop is about to get lynched but that’s as good as it gets before Opop dies. Lumpen upgrades Rarity to Suspicious. Then Lumpen gets iced.Lumpen’s enemies? Cham, Rarity, imgay from D2. Lowell can carry over. AC also on Lumpen’s Suspicious list. imgay posted:I copped rarity last night, they are town or Joe, unless my target got bussed. I copped ernie n1 Imgay covers for Rarity. Why? imgay posted:Why not, I felt it was a worthy target Foo is OK with the investigation. Anyways, the ID is invalid if imgay is telling the truth because I bussed imgay and Rarity. Chamale posted:There's the People Eater himself. Cham unloads all of that. Rarity is a suspected scum. Imgay’s role can’t be confirmed. fiery_valkyrie posted:You're not on my list of people I want to vote anymore today. f_v brings up Rarity again. Foo’s analysis of Lumpen’s enemies: Captain Foo posted:of these, TMM, Kash, Ernie, Opop are dead imgay posted:I'm still susp of rarity, I don't like their votes and my inest called in them last night, so my susp haven't changed Imgay suspects Rarity. Acebuckeye13 posted:Actually, looking back at it I'm thinking Rarity is a pretty strong Scum candidate. Ace gives the anti-Rarity argument and votes Rarity. Lowell does as well: LowellDND posted:Yeah, that’s fair. Day 2 was a bit of a shoo-in, as we had 6 votes when I was looking at the thread. LowellDND posted:To me it reads like Rarity is trying to burn out the clock and not respond to accusations so someone else is marked for lead. Rarity returns! And applauds f_v focusing on Opop after Opop’s scum confirmation. Rarity posted:Ok, I've already read ahead so I know all the flips. With that knowledge I like this post from FV. Leaving her vig out of things, here she's bringing focus back on scum when if she'd kept quiet Opop could well have skated by after surviving the previous day. Shits on Ace: Rarity posted:This is even worse than your last post. Have you ever heard of the term 'chain lynch' before and do you get why it's scummy as hell? Rarity on why Lumpen got killed: Rarity posted:This was a really great post from Lumpen that convinced me he was town the first time I saw it. I like the logical analysis here and think it's definitely worth keeping in mind if imgay's upcoming claim ends up being confirmed. It's also potentially the trigger that caused scum to kill him last night, cause besides this I don't see any reason for scum to go for the confirmed mason. Supports me, an obvious Townie: Rarity posted:Town bus driver can be useful if you manage to redirect the NK back onto scum, that's how you should be using it. [quote] imgay posted:I think 1-shot cop pretty weak claim unless they claiming joat, but its wierd since this is supposed to be a more vanillaish game. I've never defended opop, i just didn't read anything said by you guys voting him why he was so votey. Rarity posted:This is a strong indication that imgay's cop claim is legit. imgay claimed on D3 right? I'll find out in due time but if he is pulling a fakeclaim then it's one he's been setting up for a while cause this post clearly comes from the perspective of someone with a cop PR. Rarity somehow supporting imgay but I don’t know how the gently caress it makes sense. Rarity posted:Hi peeps. I've missed tons, i'm town, i'll catch up with the thread when i'm less tried and less drunk. I'll start tomorrow morning and see how much I can crack through before work. AC points out the above quote and how useless and weird it is to point out that she’s town. f_v calls Rarity out on inconsistent reasoning. Cham starts to suspect Rarity. Foo not sure of Rarity either but has bigger fish to fry. Rarity posted:I'm not claiming anything right now. This is some serious role fishing. Rarity votes Cham and ignores other questions. Not much input. Rarity also points out Ace as a second scum pick. Chamale posted:We have no way of knowing who you are, I've shown that my Angharad character gives me the power to double vote, and that's usually a town-aligned power. I am our Angharad, and I believe that imgay is our Max because there are so few possible Town characters so both of these must be in the game, and no one is counterclaiming. I've put my cards on the table, you're hiding something. Oh sweet baby Cham. Rarity starts jabbing at Cham and Ace, focusing everything on them and not herself. Acebuckeye13 posted:Or, you know, you posted them at three in the morning and after getting up and going to class this is the first chance I've had to respond. I don't play Werewolf very often (Last time was back in May) and no, I don't know what a Chain Lynch is, or how it fits into you trying to paint me as Scum. Ace not happy with this poo poo. Rarity responds: Rarity posted:Ok, three points: Rarity posted:Ok, time to summarise. In honour of our fallen buddy I'm presenting my thoughts in the form of a list (sorry about the whole thinking you were scum thing!) Trusts me, Foo, and imgay. No longer on board with f_v. Doubles down on Cham and Ace. AC and lowell don’t seem to be priorities. Ace is not happy with this: Acebuckeye13 posted:I also find it funny that the first thing imgay did after declaring he was a cop was claiming that he'd copped Rarity and she was cool, and the only reason given was that she "Seemed like a worthy target". Is that proof they're working together? You be the judge! And jury, and executioner. Captain Foo posted:lmao you call me the towniest but don't actually put me in the towniest slot lmao My thoughts on this page: Colonel Corazon posted:Based on cham, rarity and imgays opinions of each other we know: Imgay will never give answers. Colonel Corazon posted:So I keep thinking about how stupid it would be for Cham and the scum to kill Lumpen if Lumpen was the only one pointing a finger at Cham. Rarity is gunning for Cham. Pushing the narrative that Cham is scum. This would really benefit Rarity as scum. Imgay deflecting and loosely supporting Rarity. Probably Rarity’s scum pal. Acebuckeye13 posted:That's true, but at the same time it's not as though he's alone in suspecting Rarity and imgay-I'm pretty convinced of it myself. There's still a chance he's scum, but I'd feel much safer going for Rarity at this point since her flipping would help to implicate imgay as well. Someone Awful! posted:Like, is it all just because Rarity defended Opop and Opop flipped scum? I can see that, it just doesn't feel all that strong to me Someone not down with the Rarity bandwagon at this time. Rarity returns to focus on Cham some more and fails to provide much in the way of evidence to dissuade others’ concerns on her standing. Rarity posted:You keep saying this but you realise you're only actually talking about Lumpen and Kash, right? And I was far from the only person to suspect them. What were we thinking!!! Rarity posted:You're forgetting most of D1 when I was tunnelled on Lumpen And shielding Opop. Rarity votes for Lowell. Lowell provides more explanation: LowellDND posted:I like how you voted for me after I voted for you Rarity posted:It's your first game, you don't even know what counts as sketchy yet You don’t know sketchy!!! Cham wonders why Rarity doesn’t offer more details. Rarity posted:I'm keeping quiet cause flavour seems linked to role, you loving idiot Who Rarity Thinks Is Scum: Lumpen (Town) AC Hiip (SK) Kash (Town) Cham Lowell I am probably missing dudes. Colonel’s Conclusion: You didn’t catch my eye until my first reread during N1 so I swapped you and imgay. You support the obvious Townies (me, Foo, and prob f_v). Besides the obvious Townies, you have supported Opop (scum) and imgay (not looking too hot). You saved Opop from a D1 lynch. You and imgay follow others after they vote. You are reactionary and often completely redirect conversations. You focus other players on those who are hostile towards you and your likely allies. You throw shade all over the place but never offer substantial rationales. You are a Proud Mafia Mommy  and you are Scum 
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