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oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

yes to big daddy, no to sting

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oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

daniel bryan barely had a run on top at all in WWE and it's nearly impossible to measure his impact on business as it was a transitional period for their business model. he's got the resume in the ring, though

i think CIMA is the most interesting of the new candidates because he propped DG up on his back for an incredibly long time and almost single handedly established it as the #2 promotion in japan but i'm sure not quite quinten has actual numbers there and cares about this much more deeply than i do

oatgan fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Sep 14, 2015

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

influence beyond wrestling is meaningless unless you're brock lesnar

also batista has no influence beyond wrestling

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

Daniel Bryan posted:

Here's an article on Edge done last year: http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/123-other-wrestling/39060-2014-hall-of-fame-candidate-profile-adam-qedgeq-copeland

But it omits drawing. Which is probably what his candidacy hinges on, since apparently voters don't see him as strong enough otherwise. Someone is going to have to dig and present them before it matters.

iirc it's wrestlers that overwhelmingly vote for edge

EugeneJ posted:

Candidates sorted by ****+ matches

United States/Canada

AJ Styles - 55
Edge - 47
Daniel Bryan - 35
Randy Orton - 35
CM Punk - 21
Sting - 16
Brock Lesnar - 14
Big Show - 6
Curt Hennig - 5
Ultimate Warrior - 2
Junkyard Dog - 1
Sgt. Slaughter - 0
Ivan Koloff - 0

Japan

Akira Taue - 81
Jun Akiyama - 58
Shinsuke Nakamura - 34
Yuji Nagata - 18
Hiroyoshi Tenzan - 15
Minoru Suzuki - 14
Satoshi Kojima - 14
CIMA - 6
George Gordienko - 0
Volk Han - 0
Mashiko Kimura - 0
Kiyoshi Tamura - 0
Ben Sharpe - 0
Mike Sharpe - 0
man this list is barely complete

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

it's also thought by many that angle went in way too early

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

a bunch of cruiserweights who bounced in the mid-00's when NJPW was horribly run

Minoru Tanaka is still really good and props up absolutely boring Wrestle-1 cards (like TNA's Bound For Glory). Otani is running Zero1 I think but i don't know the last time i saw him wrestle

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

nakamura will get in easily if he keeps going at this rate for a couple more years and especially if he gets another run with the world title that doesn't tank business

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

he vacated the WWE and IC titles REFUSING to put anybody over in the process and wouldn't even let Sheamus pin him without a banana peel distraction at Wrestlemania

he also won the PWG world title on his last match on the company instead of letting Chris Hero put someone new over with his very long title run

loving politician daniel bryan

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

i'm not shocked shinsuke is in but it feels so early

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

for anybody reading this without an observer subscription this is really how dave presented his data:

WRESTLING OBSERVER HALL OF FAME BALLOTING RESULTS Votes needed for induction into the Hall of Fame: U.S. and Cana modern (234); U.S. and Canada historical (135); Japan (99); Mexico (92); Rest of the World (131); Europe (71). PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2014
PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2014 BROCK LESNAR 297 76% 56% Junkyard Dog 112 29% 16% SHINSUKE NAKAMURA 120 73% ---- L.A. Park 44 29% 24% PERRO AGUAYO JR. 110 72% ---- Otto Wanz 34 29% 25% THE ASSASSINS (Hamilton/Renesto) 147 65% 48% Tim “Mr. Wrestling” Woods 64 28% 24% IVAN KOLOFF 237 61% 48% Dr. Wagner Jr. 41 27% 24% CARLOS COLON 132 60% 56% Domenic DeNucci 58 27% 21% Gene Okerlund 226 58% 36% June Byers 59 26% 14% Jim Crockett Sr. 129 57% 44% Larry Matysik 58 26% 16% Los Misioneros de la Muerte 86 56% 36% Akira Taue 42 26% 16% Villano III 85 56% 33% John Tolos 57 25% 13% Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan 209 54% ---- Billy Joyce 29 25% 27% Mike & Ben Sharpe 89 54% 46% Cowboy Bob Ellis 55 24% ---- Cien Caras 83 54% 54% Horst Hoffman 28 24% 23% Volk Han 86 52% 51% Sgt. Slaughter 91 23% 22% Bill Apter 204 52% 42% Cima 38 23% ---- Sting 197 51% 33% Yuji Nagata 38 23% 37% Gary Hart 192 49% 33% C.M. Punk 85 22% 19% Jerry Jarrett 187 48% 44% Masahiko Kimura 37 22% 23% Edge 173 44% 36% Kiyoshi Tamura 37 22% 23% Stanley Weston 98 44% 31% Von Brauners w/Saul Weingeroff 50 22% 10% PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2014 PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2014 Rollerball Mark Rocco 50 42% 32% Ultimo Guerrero 32 21% 24% Howard Finkel 164 42% 29% Kendo Nagasaki 23 20% 15% Karloff Lagarde 62 41% 48% Jim Crockett Jr. 77 20% 23% Big Daddy 48 41% 43% Kinji Shibuya 40 18% 14% Blue Panther 61 40% 28% Dave Brown 71 18% 13% Jackie Pallo 47 40% 27% George Gordienko 29 18% 25% Ricky Starr 46 39% ---- George Scott 68 17% 19% Enrique Torres 84 37% 25% Brute Bernard & Skull Murphy 37 17% 12% Mark Lewin 80 37% 38% Pepper Gomez 37 16% 10% Johnny “Wrestling II” Walker 80 36% 21% Rocky Johnson 35 16% ---- Minoru Suzuki 59 36% 22% Jim Breaks 19 16% 14% Jimmy Hart 139 36% 36% Dick Hutton 34 15% 13% Red Bastien 79 35% 34% Randy Orton 59 15% ---- Johnny Saint 41 35% 29% Spyros Arion 32 15% 15% Jun Akiyama 55 33% 29% Ultimate Warrior 52 13% 20% Killer Karl Kox 73 33% 32% Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Satoshi Kojima 19 12% 17% Los Brazos 50 33% 16% Vampiro 19 12% 11% Don Owen 129 33% 30% Ron Wright 25 11% ---- Huracan Ramirez 47 31% 27% Mario Milano 25 11% 11% Curt Hennig 115 30% 23% Johnny Barend 23 11% 10% Less than 10% of the votes from the region and dropped from next year’s ballot: Bob Geigel, Big Show, A.J. Styles, Hector Garza Dropped from next year’s ballot due to the 15 year/50% rule: Nobody Added to the ballot next year: Caristico, Kerry Von Erich, Fishman, Bearcat Wright, Pedro Morales Will be dropped after next year if not inducted or 50%: Cien Caras, Villano III, Volk Han, Blue Panther

TOP AMONG DIFFERENT VOTING GROUPS REPORTERS HISTORIANS FORMER WRESTLERS ACTIVE WRESTLERS 1. The Assassins 1. Volk Han 1. Cien Caras 1. Jim Crockett Sr. 2. Bryan Danielson 2. Ivan Koloff 2. Mike & Ben Sharpe 2. Carlos Colon 3. Shinsuke Nakamura 3. Brock Lesnar 3. Bill Apter 3. The Assassins 4. Stanley Weston 4. Shinsuke Nakamura 4. Gene Okerlund 4. Perro Aguayo Jr. 5. Perro Aguayo Jr. 5. Gary Hart 5. John Tolos 5. Rollerball Mark Rocco 6. Brock Lesnar 6. Enrique Torres 6. George Gordienko 6. Johnny Saint 7. Jim Crockett Sr. 7. Los Misioneros de la Muerte 7. Shinsuke Nakamura 7. Gary Hart 8. Gene Okerlund 8. Jerry Jarrett 8. Curt Hennig 8. Shinsuke Nakamura 9. Carlos Colon 9. Villano III 9. Ricki Starr 9. Brock Lesnar 10. Villano III 10. Perro Aguayo Jr. 10. Red Bastien 10. Villano III 11. Mike & Ben Sharpe 11. Karloff Lagarde 11. Jim Crockett Sr. 11. Dr. Wagner Jr. 12. Ivan Koloff 12. Blue Panther 12. Ivan Koloff 12. Johnny “Wrestling II” Walker 13. Cien Caras 13. Bill Apter 13. Don Owen 13. Sting 14. Edge 14. Carlos Colon 14. Killer Karl Kox 14. Gene Okerlund 15. Big Daddy 15. Mark Lewin 15. Carlos Colon 15. Bill Apter REPORTERS HISTORIANS FORMER WRESTLERS ACTIVE WRESTLERS 16. Los Misioneros de la Muerte 16. Don Owen 16. Edge 16. Howard Finkel 17. Sting 17. Sting 17. Domenic DeNucci 17. Yuji Nagata 18. Jerry Jarrett 18. Bryan Danielson 18. Mark Lewin 18. Akira Taue 19. Howard Finkel 19. Los Brazos 19. Jerry Jarrett 19. Ron Wright 20. Minoru Suzuki 20. Cien Caras 20. Johnny “Wrestling II” Walker 20. Jimmy Hart 21. Blue Panther 21. Howard Finkel 21. Perro Aguayo Jr. 21. Curt Hennig 22. Jimmy Hart 22. The Assassins 22. Los Brazos 22. Ivan Koloff 23. Volk Han 23. Jackie Pallo 23. Los Misioneros de la Muerte 23. June Byers 24. Bill Apter 24. Jimmy Hart 24. The Assassins 24. Von Brauners w/Saul Weingeroff 25. L.A. Park 25. Gene Okerlund 25. Jun Akiyama 25. Cowboy Bob Ellis 26. Ultimo Guerrero 26. Stanley Weston 26. Brute Bernard & Skull Murphy 26. Tim “Mr. Wrestling” Woods 27. Red Bastien 27. L.A. Park 27. Larry Matysik 27. Junkyard Dog 28. June Byers 28. June Byers 28. Rollerball Mark Rocco 28. Jerry Jarrett 29. Kiyoshi Tamura 29. Jim Crockett Sr. 29. Brock Lesnar 29. Edge 30. Don Owen 30. Killer Karl Kox 30. Sting 30. Sgt. Slaughter

i pay money for this

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

Alain Post posted:

Brock is kind of silly at this stage too IMO. Burn down the HOF. by which I mean Dave's house.

save the tapes

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

also lmao AJ got kicked off the ballot for a second time

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oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

criticism aside the eddie quinn and perrito bios are good reads

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