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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011



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Doctor Who is returning after a nine-month hibernation with a 12 () episode series plus one Christmas special. What's happening this series? Well, Maisie Williams is making an appearance in some episode, playing an unknown character. The Master is returning for at least one episode this series. River Song will return at Christmas. The Doctor will wear sunglasses on occasion. As has become the standard for TVIV's most popular shows, the thread-per-episode era is a thing of the past. We're using this one until 2016!

The regular series runs weekly from 19 September to 5 December, with a special on Christmas Day:

1) The Magician's Apprentice
2) The Witch's Familiar
3) Under the Lake
4) Before the Flood
5) The Girl Who Died
6) The Woman Who Lived
7) The Zygon Invasion
8) The Zygon Inversion
9) Sleep No More
10) Face the Raven
11) Heaven Sent
12) Hell Bent
13) The Husbands of River Song

The previous thread can be found here. Now for the formalities.

NO SPOILERS
By edict of the moderators, this is a SPOILER-FREE ZONE. Other than backstage stuff (hiring people), DO NOT POST SPOILERS. AT ALL. Even if Queen Elizabeth II, Barack Obama, and Vladimir Putin have a three-way press conference on every channel to reveal life on Mars and also that Martha Jones is a Rutan, DON'T POST IT HERE. If you must post about spoilers, go to the spoiler thread. Episode titles can be spoiler-y, so use discretion when discussing episodes yet to air. For example, 'Hide' doesn't spoil anything, but 'OH poo poo IT'S THE DALEKS' does.

As soon as the episode airs on BBC One, though, the gloves come off. If you're not watching the episode as it is broadcast first on BBC One, do not come into this thread acting like you won't find out Missy is the Master. Even though it won't air in your nation for a few hours, it is a British show after all, and they get the right to talk about the show while the people who pay the licensing fees watch it.

WHERE DO I START?
If you want to start with the revival, you should start with The Eleventh Hour. This doesn't mean to disregard the 9th and 10th Doctor's stories, but it's the easiest way to get caught up. If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, don't shotgun a whole Hartnell or Troughton in one go, or else you'll get complacent. Those 60's episodes are meant to be seen one at a time, and if you only just rented the DVD, wait a few hours between episodes.

The most popular serials for the original series you can jump into are:

First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs
Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World
Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters
Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death
Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios
Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks

WHERE CAN I WATCH DOCTOR WHO ON TELEVISION?

Original Series:
UK - Drama, Horror
USA - Retro TV, some PBS stations, BBC America (Tom Baker era only)
Canada - you're out of luck
Australia - Syfy

Current Series:
UK - BBC One (first run), BBC Three, Watch
USA - BBC America (first run), most PBS stations, Disney XD (Tennant era only)
Canada - Space
Australia - ABC1 (first run), ABC2, BBC UKTV, Syfy

WHERE CAN I STREAM DOCTOR WHO?
Netflix has the current series in its entirety and selected original series episodes. If you're in the United States, Hulu Plus has 413 original series episodes up, and I'm not going to go in-depth about the ones they don't have.

SHOULD I BUY THE DVDs AND BLU RAYS?
Just for the bonus features alone.

A BRIEF GUIDE TO BIG FINISH

There are hundreds, probably thousands of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas released by Big Finish Productions. This is not a post telling you what audio dramas to listen to, because everyone has an opinion that is different from everyone else (some people possibly like Minuet in Hell, but I doubt it). This is a post telling you the basic info on the different series of titles there are. I'm only covering ongoing ranges, since devoting a paragraph to the Stage Plays seems a bit silly. If you're wondering why I'm about to spend a good portion of the OP about audio dramas, you are clearly new to the Doctor Who thread.

Monthly range
Since 1999, Big Finish have released, on a consistent basis, mostly standalone stories featuring the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh (formerly including Eighth) Doctors. Up to 205th(!) release next month.

The Fourth Doctor Adventures
Tom Baker gets his own line of releases.

The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield
Sylvester McCoy plays a supporting role to Bernice Summerfield, a companion introdcued in the Virign New Adventures line of books.

The Eighth Doctor Adventures / Dark Eyes / Doom Coalition
Paul McGann's Doctor also gets his own line. Goons love 'em.

The War Doctor
Holy cow, Big Finish got John Hurt? You bet they did, and the Time War is heard for what might be the only time.

The Tenth Doctor Adventures
In slightly less astounding news, Big Finish got David Tennant and Catherine Tate to reprise their characters. Considering they are both in the prime of their careers, this range may not be regular.

The Companion Chronicles / The Early Adventures
This is important: THESE ARE NOT AUDIO DRAMAS. These are "enhanced audiobooks" for the most part, which means that one person does all the parts while another gives narration, but also contains sound effects and music cues. The Companion Chronicles usually feature just one actor, while the Early Adventures feature small casts.

Spinoffs
There are a ton of these, ranging from good (I, Davros) to who gives a poo poo (anything involving a companion from the audio series).

WHAT ABOUT THE RATINGS OF THE SHOW?
Doctor Who isn't getting cancelled again any time soon, so don't you worry your pretty little head. Here's what I guess the Magician's Apprentice ratings will be after crunching some numbers:

UK: A bunch of people watched it
USA: A bunch of people watched it
Canada: A bunch of people watched it
Australia: A bunch of people watched it

And finally, and I know this is hard to believe, this marks the first time a Doctor Who episode has debuted on 19 September. Less than 36 hours to go!

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Very excited for this, yay!

Edit: Since this will be the Doctor Who thread through to next year, here is the link to my write-ups on my thoughts and feelings on both Big Finish audios AND the actual episodes of the revival, linked since people have asked in the past for these to be easier to find. Some reviews are incredibly short, but everything should be covered in one way or another. Man I write a lot about Doctor Who

Oh yeah, and be warned that most of the television write-ups feature a number of spoilers for future episodes as well, as they were all written months or years after I saw them on original airing. Audio write-ups may also feature references to episodes of the show, both classic and revival.

4th Doctor
The Renaissance Man

5th Doctor
Phantasmagoria | The Land of the Dead | Red Dawn | Winter for the Adept | The Mutant Phase | Loup-Garoux/The Eye of the Scorpion | Primeval | The Church and the Crown | Nekromanteia | Creatures of Beauty | Omega | The Axis of Insanity | The Roof of the World | The Game | Three's a Crowd | The Council of Nicaea | Singularity | The Kingmaker | The Gathering/The Veiled Leopard | Circular Time | Renaissance of the Daleks | Exotron | Son of the Dragon | The Mind's Eye | The Bride of Peladon

6th Doctor
Whispers of Terror | The Marian Conspiracy | The Spectre of Lanyon Moor | The Apocalypse Element | The Holy Terror | Bloodtide | Project: Twilight | The One Doctor | ...ish | The Sandman | Jubilee | Doctor Who and the Pirates | Project: Lazarus | Davros | The Wormery | Arrangements for War | Medicinal Purposes | The Juggernauts | Catch-1782 | Thicker Than Water | Pier Pressure | The Nowhere Place | The Reaping | Year of the Pig | I.D | The Wishing Beast | 100 | The Condemned

7th Doctor
The Fearmonger | The Genocide Machine | The Fires of Vulcan | The Shadow of the Scourge | Dust Breeding | Colditz | The Rapture | Bang-Bang-a-Boom! | The Dark Flame | Project: Lazarus | Flip-Flop | Master | The Harvest | Dreamtime | Unregenerate! | Live 34 | Night Thoughts | The Settling | Red | No Man's Land | Nocturne | Valhalla | Frozen Time

8th Doctor
Televised
TV Movie: The Enemy Within | The Night of the Doctor
Audio Monthly Range
Storm Warning | Sword of Orion | The Stones of Venice | Minuet in Hell | Invaders from Mars | The Chimes of Midnight | Seasons of Fear | Embrace the Darkness | The Time of the Daleks | Neverland | Zagreus | Scherzo/The Creed of Kromon | The Natural History of Fear | The Twilight Kingdom Faithstealer/The Last/Caerdroia/The Next Life | Terror Firma | Scaredy Cat | Other Lives | Time Works | Something Inside | Memory Lane | Absolution | The Girl Who Never Was
Audio 8th Doctor Adventures
Season 1: Blood of the Daleks | The Horror of Glam Rock | Immortal Beloved | Phobos | No More Lies | Human Resources
Season 2: Dead London | Max Warp | Brave New Town | The Skull of Sobek | Grand Theft Cosmos | The Zygon Who Fell to Earth | Sisters of the Flame | The Vengeance of Morbius


The War Doctor
Only the Monstrous | The Day of the Doctor

9th Doctor
Rose | The End of the World | The Unquiet Dead | Aliens of London/World War 3 | Dalek | The Long Game | Father's Day | The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances | Boom Town | Bad Wolf | The Parting of the Ways

10th Doctor
Season 2
The Christmas Invasion | New Earth | Tooth and Claw | School Reunion | The Girl in the Fireplace | Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel | The Idiot's Lantern | The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit | Love and Monsters | Fear Her | Army of Ghosts | Doomsday

Season 3
The Runaway Bride | Smith & Jones | The Shakespeare Code | Gridlock | Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks | The Lazarus Experiment | 42 | Human Nature/The Family of Blood | Utopia | The Sound of Drums | The Last of the Time Lords | Time Crash

Season 4
Voyage of the Damned | Partners in Crime | The Fires of Pompeii | Planet of the Ood | The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky | The Doctor's Daughter | The Unicorn and the Wasp | Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead | Midnight | Turn Left | The Stolen Earth/Journey's End

Year of Specials
The Next Doctor | Planet of the Dead | Waters of Mars | The End of Time

11th Doctor
Season 5
The Eleventh Hour (kinda) | The Beast Below | Victory of the Daleks | Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone | The Vampires of Venice | Amy's Choice | The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood | Vincent and the Doctor | The Lodger | The Pandorica Opens | The Big Bang | A Christmas Carol

Season 6
The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon | The Curse of the Black Spot | The Doctor's Wife | The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People | A Good Man Goes To War | Let's Kill Hitler | Night Terrors | The Girl Who Waited | The God Complex | Closing Time | The Wedding of River Song | The Doctor, The Widow & The Wardrobe

Season 7
Asylum of the Daleks | Dinosaurs on a Spaceship | A Town Called Mercy | The Power of Three | The Angels Take Manhattan | The Snowmen | The Bells of Saint John | The Rings of Akhaten | Cold War | Hide | Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS | The Crimson Horror | Nightmare in Silver | The Name of the Doctor | The Day of the Doctor | The Time of the Doctor

12th Doctor
Season 8
Deep Breath | Into the Dalek | Robot of Sherwood | Listen | Time Heist | The Caretaker | Kill the Moon | Mummy on the Orient Express | Flatline | In the Forest of the Night | Dark Water | Death in Heaven | Last Christmas

Big Finish Specials
The Sirens of Time | The Light at the End | UNIT: Dominion | UNIT: Extinction

Also just for ease of access, here are most of the gifs I've posted over the years in the various threads:

William Hartnell | Patrick Troughton | Jon Pertwee | Tom Baker | Peter Davison | Colin Baker | Sylvester McCoy | Paul McGann | Christopher Eccleston | David Tennant | Matt Smith | Peter Capaldi

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at Dec 20, 2015 around 12:11

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Obligatory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Q0hlu1qt4

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Fans always know better than the creators.


Well, guess we're opening this thread with a confirmation. Jenna Coleman's leaving. It'll be a shame, but I think that she's had a good run.

Plus, leaves the door wide open for Shona to be here next season.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

And because absolutely nobody demanded it...an index of all my reviews. Linked to my Wordpress so those without archives may enjoy.

X X X X X



Third Doctor
Classic Who
Inferno



Fourth Doctor
Classic Who
Robot | The Ark in Space | The Sontaran Experiment | Genesis of the Daleks | Revenge of the Cybermen | Terror of the Zygons | Planet of Evil

Big Finish
Fourth Doctor Adventures
Season One
Destination Nerva | The Renaissance Man | The Wrath of the Iceni | Energy of the Daleks | Trail of the White Worm | The Osiedon Adventure



Fifth Doctor
Big Finish
Main Range
Phantasmagoria | The Land of the Dead | Red Dawn | Winter for the Adept | Loups-Garoux | The Eye of the Scorpion | Primeval | The Mutant Phase | Spare Parts | The Church and the Crown | Nekromanteia | Creatures of Beauty | Omega | The Axis of Insanity | The Roof of the World | The Game | Three's a Crowd | The Council of Nicaea | Singularity | The Kingmaker | The Gathering | Circular Time | Renaissance of the Daleks | Extron/Urban Myths | Son of the Dragon | The Mind's Eye/Mission of the Viyrans

Fifth Doctor Box Set
Psychodrome | Iterations of I



Sixth Doctor
Classic Who
Attack of the Cybermen

Big Finish
Main Range
Whispers of Terror | The Marian Conspiracy | The Spectre of Lanyon Moor | The Holy Terror | Bloodtide | Project: Twilight | The One Doctor | The Apocalypse Element | ...ish] | The Sandman | Jubilee | ...and the Pirates, or the Lass that Lost a Sailor | Project: Lazarus | Davros | The Wormery | Arrangements for War | Medicinal Purposes | The Juggernauts | Catch-1782 | Thicker Than Water | Pier Pressure | The Nowhere Place | The Reaping | Year of the Pig | I.D/Urgent Calls | The Wishing Beast/The Vanity Box | 100

The Last Sixth Doctor Adventure
End of the Line | The Red House | Stage Fright | The Brink of Death



Seventh Doctor
Big Finish
Main Range
The Fearmonger | The Fires of Vulcan | The Genocide Machine | Dust Breeding | Colditz | The Rapture | Bang-Bang-A-Boom! | Project: Lazarus | Flip-Flop | Master | The Harvest | Dreamtime | Unregenerate! | LIVE 34 | Night Thoughts | The Settling | Red | No Man's Land | Nocturne | Valhalla | Frozen Time

New Virgin Adventures
The Shadow of the Scourge | The Dark Flame



Eighth Doctor
Big Finish
Main Range
Storm Warning | Sword of Orion | The Stones of Venice | Minuet in Hell | Invaders from Mars | The Chimes of Midnight | Seasons of Fear | Embrace the Darkness | The Time of the Daleks | Neverland | Zagreus | Scherzo | The Creed of the Kromon | The Natural History of Fear | The Twlight Kingdom | Faith Stealer | The Last | Caerdroia | The Next Life | Terror Firma | Scaredy Cat | Other Lives | Time Works | Something Inside | Memory Lane | Absolution | The Girl Who Never Was

Doom Coalition
Doom Coalition 1

Miscellaneous
Multi-Doctor
The Sirens of Time | The Light at the End

Companion Chronicles
Peri and the Piscon Paradox | Solitaire

Torchwood
The Conspiracy

Jago & Litefoot
The Haunting



Twelfth Doctor
Season 8
Deep Breath | Into the Dalek | Robot of Sherwood | Listen | Time Hiest | The Caretaker | Kill the Moon | Mummy on the Orient Express | Flatline | In the Forst of the Night | Dark Water | Death in Heaven | Last Christmas

Season 9
The Magician's Apprentice | The Witch's Familiar | Under the Lake | Before the Flood | The Girl Who Died | The Woman Who Lived | The Zygon Invasion | The Zygon Inversion | Sleep No More | Face the Raven | Heaven Sent | Hell Bent

CobiWann fucked around with this message at Dec 12, 2015 around 17:05

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012


We've got this thing licked!



CobiWann posted:

Hmmm. New thread. That's weird.

I don't like it.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


CobiWann posted:

Hmmm. New thread. That's weird.

I always drrrreeeeezzzz for the occasion.

BSam
Nov 24, 2012



Just in time. I've just started a brief marathon of the most recent episodes starting from Name of the Doctor. It's a good thing there are no bad episodes after that point. Going to be a great weekend.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Cleretic posted:

Well, guess we're opening this thread with a confirmation. Jenna Coleman's leaving. It'll be a shame, but I think that she's had a good run.

Plus, leaves the door wide open for Shona to be here next season.

I'll miss Clara, but man I would love to see Shona become the new companion.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Jerusalem posted:

I'll miss Clara, but man I would love to see Shona become the new companion.

Shona would be great, but I wouldn't mind Rigsy either. Been a while since the Doctor had a long-term male companion (Turlough?).

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


CobiWann posted:

Shona would be great, but I wouldn't mind Rigsy either. Been a while since the Doctor had a long-term male companion (Turlough?).

Rory

Anyway, so it's 100% agreed (and therefore confirmed) then - Rigsy and Shona for the new male/female companions!

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012


We've got this thing licked!



BSam posted:

Just in time. I've just started a brief marathon of the most recent episodes starting from Name of the Doctor. It's a good thing there are no bad episodes after that point. Going to be a great weekend.

In the Forest of the Night.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


CobiWann posted:

Shona would be great, but I wouldn't mind Rigsy either. Been a while since the Doctor had a long-term male companion (Turlough?).

Rigsy and Shona please.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


The_Doctor posted:

Rigsy and Shona please.

I would be very down for this.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.


Wow. How the hell did I forget about this?

*looks at his arm*

Where did these black slash marks come from?

*remembers Wednesday’s GOP debate*

*draws on his arm again*

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


CobiWann posted:


*remembers Wednesday’s GOP debate*

*draws on his arm again*

I like that Doctor Who villains aren't as transparently evil as Trump.

adhuin
Sep 15, 2008

Rugged and authoritative looking


I like new thread. New threads are cool!

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

The_Doctor posted:

I like that Doctor Who villains aren't as transparently evil as Trump.

I don’t think he’s evil…just egotistical, full of himself, successful, and knows just enough not to know that he knows nothing at all.

Which, as Doctor Who has shown us, can be worse than being evil.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Rat Flavoured Rats
Oct 24, 2005
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-rat_flavoured_rats.gif"><br><font size=+2 color=#2266bc>I'm a little fairy girl<font size=+0> <b>^_^</b></font>

There's a new 6 minute prequel, 'The Doctor's Meditation', up on the Facebook page. No sign of it on the iPlayer yet.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Rat Flavoured Rats posted:

There's a new 6 minute prequel, 'The Doctor's Meditation', up on the Facebook page. No sign of it on the iPlayer yet.

I don't suppose you could link it, because I don't see it anywhere on the Facebook page.

edit: And Google just gives me a bunch of places it was leaked but taken down from.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


It's on the facebook page as of forty-five minutes ago. Not sure why you can't see it.

You're not missing much. It's singularly uninteresting.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Barry Foster posted:

It's on the facebook page as of forty-five minutes ago. Not sure why you can't see it.

You're not missing much. It's singularly uninteresting.

Again, could you link it or something? I see it nowhere on the Facebook page, even under videos the latest videos are a trailer, an interview with Moffat, and something about Lego.

Rat Flavoured Rats
Oct 24, 2005
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-rat_flavoured_rats.gif"><br><font size=+2 color=#2266bc>I'm a little fairy girl<font size=+0> <b>^_^</b></font>

thrawn527 posted:

Again, could you link it or something? I see it nowhere on the Facebook page, even under videos the latest videos are a trailer, an interview with Moffat, and something about Lego.

Here you go, if you can't see it from this link maybe it's country-locked or something?

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Rat Flavoured Rats posted:

Here you go, if you can't see it from this link maybe it's country-locked or something?

Content not found. So yeah, I guess it's country blocked.

Rat Flavoured Rats
Oct 24, 2005
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-rat_flavoured_rats.gif"><br><font size=+2 color=#2266bc>I'm a little fairy girl<font size=+0> <b>^_^</b></font>

thrawn527 posted:

Content not found. So yeah, I guess it's country blocked.

Like Barry Foster said, you're not missing a great deal. It's mostly comedy or ambiguous comments in a manner akin to the previous prequel.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


CaptainYesterday posted:

This is not a post telling you what audio dramas to listen to, because everyone has an opinion that is different from everyone else (some people possibly like Minuet in Hell, but I doubt it).

Oh, you fool. You poor, deluded fool.

Doctor Who : The DiscContinuity Guide posted:

Oh, what fun! McGann's first Big Finish season closes on a big (and long!) story with a great script and the Brigadier on top form. Despite an American and a Canadian in the cast some dodgy accents feature, but with an imaginative setting and some stand-out scenes (Marchosias using Becky-Lee's powers to kill Pargeter, Crane 'testing' the Doctor's memories, the Brigadier's 'collapse'), 'Minuet' is hellishly good. If the 'join' sometimes shows between the story's two authors, it doesn't really matter. It's a shame the (real) Doctor isn't in it more, but it would be a treat to hear Gideon again.

Eddy Wolverson posted:

“Minuet in Hell” is an epic end to McGann’s first season. ... The supporting characters, Pickering and Becky Lee are both excellent, though I’m sure American fans won’t appreciate the over the top accents! Some of the scenes, in particular those featuring both Becky Lee and Charley in the Hellfire club are quite sexual for Doctor Who, though Lear and Russell don’t go as far as John Peel does, for example, in his “Timewyrm: Genesys” novel. Anyhow, I’m certainly not complaining - I think it works very well in the context of the story, but I can see that Big Finish might rub some more traditional fans the wrong way with this kind of thing ... The high point of the season – very nearly first class, but it still feels like there is a little way to go before Big Finish strike gold with their eighth Doctor and Charley combination.

Richard Radcliffe posted:

Paul McGann's last Audio Adventure (until Jan 2002) is the most Thriller like story Big Finish have produced so far. At 130 minutes it also is one of the longest (I think only Holy Terror comes close). But do the Episodes drag? Not at all - there is enough story here for a story twice that length. ... The setting of the story also provides much. The new state of Malebolgia comes across as a warped, slightly futuristic vision of Southern USA. With its over the top, extreme Senator and Evangelist, this is definitely an America of Fiction - at least I hope it is! There is also a fair helping of Buffy the Vampire Slayer thrown in for good measure in the form of Becky Lee - Charleys mate throughout. The demons that appear are also Buffy territory - some wonderful lines uttered here by the main Demon. So much then to digest. So much to take on board for the listener. ... Yet it all comes together very well. It is unlike any Doctor Who story that I can think of. ... Definitely one of the best, and full of wonders for all. 9/10

Simon Catlow posted:


'You're going to cut up my brain - that's not really for my own good, is it?'

Alan W. Lear and Gary Russell's 'Minuet In Hell' marks a significant event in the world of the Big Finish audios for it is the final story of the McGann 'season' 27, and as such it is fitting that this season concludes with a bang. ... The plot of Minuet In Hell is probably one of the most complex ones that Big Finish have attempted, and with a running time of just under two and a half hours (don't let the cover's approximate running time of 130 minutes fool you) it is certainly one of the longest that they've done. In this case the extremely long length of the story is not a problem as the story is so well told and acted that the fact that it lasts so long doesn't matter as it draws the listener so completely into the story that the length doesn't detract from the quality of the story. ... Minuet In Hell is an epic production, which is without doubt one of the best that Big Finish have produced. The quality of the script here is excellent with many of the lines being very memorable and this contributes to the overall excellence that is exhibited here. As the final story in the first season of Paul McGann audios, Minuet In Hell finishes the season on a high note. Out of the four audios in the McGann season, Minuet In Hell is in my opinion the best one.


Every opinion, no matter how incomprehensible, is held by someone.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


The Discontinuity Guide gives a good review to Delta and the Bannermen, clearly not to be trusted

pinacotheca
Oct 19, 2012

Events cast shadows before them, but the huger shadows creep over us unseen.

The Discontinuity Guide also says that episode 13 of Trial of a Timelord is "a masterpiece", and episode 14 achieves "near greatness".

These statements are completely unacceptable and I await a full apology from the authors.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


For Atlantis-Watchers, The Underwater Menace features it again!

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


The DiscContinuity Guide is its own brand of crazy, related only by title to that accursed tome.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


After The War posted:

The DiscContinuity Guide is its own brand of crazy, related only by title to that accursed tome.

Oh right

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005



Episode 14 is really exceptionally good for something that was written in five days with literal lawyers crawling all over it to make sure it didn't look anything like the Holmes/Saward draft. There are many excellent reasons to hate on PipnJane, but that they wrote 30 minutes of vaguely coherent television without any prior warning and prevented a show-killing failure to deliver a full series of episodes; that's worth some little recognition.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Trin Tragula posted:

Episode 14 is really exceptionally good for something that was written in five days with literal lawyers crawling all over it to make sure it didn't look anything like the Holmes/Saward draft. There are many excellent reasons to hate on PipnJane, but that they wrote 30 minutes of vaguely coherent television without any prior warning and prevented a show-killing failure to deliver a full series of episodes; that's worth some little recognition.

Sometimes it’s a near miracle that this blessed franchise, this show, this island, this Doctor Who has managed survive as long as it has.

pinacotheca
Oct 19, 2012

Events cast shadows before them, but the huger shadows creep over us unseen.

I don't think episode 14 is exceptionally good in any respect. Yes, it was done in a few days based on location photos and with no knowledge of the existing script. It's still an unsatisfying conclusion to a season-long mystery. The dialogue is still the usual P&J rubbish. It was crap TV then, it's crap TV now and I genuinely think that (barring some sort of nightmarish archive calamity in the future where the only surviving recorded footage of anything is Trial of a Timelord) it will always be seen as crap TV.

But sure, they knocked it out pretty quickly, although I suspect the final script wouldn't have been much better even if they'd had a couple of months to work on it.

(And if they didn't want to kill the show by failing to deliver a full series of episodes, then they could always have, say, filmed the script they already had for episode 14, despite JNT's reservations.)

Let's not depress ourselves with too much in-depth P & J Baker analysis this close to a new season of the show, though!

FreezingInferno
Jul 15, 2010

THERE.
WILL.
BE.
NO.
BATTLE.
HERE!


You know, of all the bad Doctor Who I have experienced... when I first was going through the McGann audios, I skipped over Minuet In Hell because I had heard such bad things about it.

I think I've seen and heard enough terrible Doctor Who to handle Malebogia and pretty little satin bottoms now.

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook

CobiWann posted:

I don’t think he’s evil…just egotistical, full of himself, successful, and knows just enough not to know that he knows nothing at all.

Which, as Doctor Who has shown us, can be worse than being evil.

Yeah, but there's just... something about him. I don't know. When I look at him there's just this sound in my head...

BSam
Nov 24, 2012



Neddy Seagoon posted:

In the Forest of the Night.

Yup, looking forward to that one.

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

Re: PJ-chat, episode 13 is pretty alright compared to the rest of the Trial on its own, it's just tarnished a fair bit by the next ep. It's not Holmes at his best, to be sure, but it's still basically competent Doctor Who.

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Rochallor
Apr 22, 2010


Delta and the Bannermen is a mostly funny, mostly good serial.

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