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Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Fans always know better than the creators.


Rochallor posted:

I irrationally despise the VWORP VWORP. It's the least accurate onomatopoeia since SNAP-HISS for lightsaber.

The TARDIS is more of 'KSSSSHWOOOOO', yeah.

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And More
Jun 19, 2013

How far, Doctor?
How long have you lived?


I believe the official onomatopoetic term for it is wheezing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S1RHWp-who

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

Rochallor posted:

I irrationally despise the VWORP VWORP. It's the least accurate onomatopoeia since SNAP-HISS for lightsaber.

DWM actually changed it for a while, but got a load of complaints, so they went back to VWORP VWORP

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY


Davros1 posted:

DWM actually changed it for a while, but got a load of complaints, so they went back to VWORP VWORP

What did they change it too?

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Rrrrrrreposting!



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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

CaptainYesterday posted:

This year's Christmas special will be shown in US cinemas on the 28th and 29th of December. I still don't get why they do it this way - I'd be more inclined to go if I hadn't seen the episode days earlier, and in the comforts of my home with a pause and rewind button.

People planning on going to the cinema screening will just do something else on xmas day.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

So I hurt my knee this weekend. While waiting for Fallout 4 to drop Monday night/Tuesday morning, I went on a slight binge...

Planet of Evil, Pyramids of Mars, The Android Invasion, back-to-back-to-back.

Is there such a thing as too much Tom Baker?

Is there such a thing as too much Philip Hinchcliffe?

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Yes, because you watched The Android Invasion

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007
I'm a huge piece of shit #MAGA chud that thinks Donald Trump is good. But I'm also so completely stupid that I think I'm just a rational thinker who uses common sense to call it like it is and really, you're the racist for talking about it. I probably should just fuck off to Stormfront.

Just watched part 1 of the Zygon Invasion. After some good episodes it's back to forgettable fluff. Part 1 had some of the most heavy-handed liberal spin I've ever heard on this show, treating on mass immigration to the U.K., the supposedly unfounded fear of lost benefits from said immigration, etc. Worse than that, it was just a bad episode. The two episodes with Arya Stark were fun at least.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Fans always know better than the creators.


CobiWann posted:

So I hurt my knee this weekend. While waiting for Fallout 4 to drop Monday night/Tuesday morning, I went on a slight binge...

Planet of Evil, Pyramids of Mars, The Android Invasion, back-to-back-to-back.

Is there such a thing as too much Tom Baker?

Is there such a thing as too much Philip Hinchcliffe?

I'm putting my foot down and not buying Fallout 4 until somebody mods in either Fallout 3's dialog system or homosexuality, but I'm still vaguely following the game, so I have spent way too long interrogating the list of player names that actually get voiced by the game. Mainly because it's a lovely list that doesn't include a lot of really common names, but also because in its myriad references to other sci-fi properties they've made it quite clear that they ignored Doctor Who.

In terms of Doctors that actually got their names into the list, the only surnames in there are Baker, McCoy, and of course Smith. But unfortunately for Seven, the only first name that's not in there is 'Sylvester'. Most unforgivably, though, is that 'Doctor' isn't even there, which is just a massive what-the-hell on all levels.

'Quatermass' is there, though, weirdly. So there's at least a bit of BBC representation among the Han Solos and Weyland Yutanis.

Attitude Indicator
Apr 3, 2009


what?

cargohills
Apr 17, 2014



LLCoolJD posted:

the most heavy-handed liberal spin I've ever heard on this show

lol

Cleretic posted:

homosexuality

That's in the game already, I think.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010

Fans always know better than the creators.


cargohills posted:

That's in the game already, I think.

Specifically I want a mod to make it so that my character isn't a straight married parent, because none of the characters I usually make in these sorts of games are people I can justify as being in a straight marriage and starting a family. I'm honestly pretty disappointed in Bethesda that they've decided that this is the direction they wanted to go, because it really hinders the whole 'your character is your own, you make them and choose everything they do' when the very start of the game mandates that every single one of these characters start as a very specific kind of person.

The quickest and simplest mod I can imagine will come along to fix this is the inevitable one to make it a same-sex marriage, which will at least work for one of my usual three (if not well).

Stayne Falls
Aug 11, 2007
Everything was beautiful

Extreeeemely vague non-spoilers for the season finale here, but I read something online from Capaldi:

Peter Capaldi posted:

The whole episode’s quite big. It’s huge, actually – but also there’s a sadness, a romance, and a tragedy to Episode 12. It’s just so romantic. It’s very effective. And I loved all the stuff on one particular set. I was very excited. It looks so modern – a Kubrick-y kind of vibe. It was very nice. We’re in a very interesting place, because we’re competing with bigger shows, frankly. Most American shows have four times the budget per episode that we have, but that’s what we’re up against. We’re competing with Game of Thrones… This is traditional for Doctor Who, but it goes to show what this amazing production team can achieve."

Question for Echoplex is how much interaction do you actually have with the cast? It must be awesome to hear this kind of approbation from the star of the show, right?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Cleretic posted:

Specifically I want a mod to make it so that my character isn't a straight married parent, because none of the characters I usually make in these sorts of games are people I can justify as being in a straight marriage and starting a family. I'm honestly pretty disappointed in Bethesda that they've decided that this is the direction they wanted to go, because it really hinders the whole 'your character is your own, you make them and choose everything they do' when the very start of the game mandates that every single one of these characters start as a very specific kind of person.

The quickest and simplest mod I can imagine will come along to fix this is the inevitable one to make it a same-sex marriage, which will at least work for one of my usual three (if not well).

You could always assume your wife/husband is just your beard and pick up the game anyway.

I see your point, though. While I’m enjoying the hell out of the game so far (37 hours played since Tuesday, have barely touched the main questline), it feels a lot more confined in terms of character development. It seems a lot more console friendly with the dialogue system and perk trees, and I never considered the same-sex protagonist angle…

Still a good game though. Makes me proud to be an American in terms of “I really need to go to Boston and walk the Freedom Trail someday.”

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

Fancy.


Rochallor posted:

I irrationally despise the VWORP VWORP. It's the least accurate onomatopoeia since SNAP-HISS for lightsaber.

"SNAP-HISS" was the onomatopoeia Tim Zahn came up with specifically for Luke's green lighstabre from ROTJ (which has a different activating noise to the other lightsabres in the original trilogy) but then it started getting used to describe all of them.

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway


Wheat Loaf posted:

"SNAP-HISS" was the onomatopoeia Tim Zahn came up with specifically for Luke's green lighstabre from ROTJ (which has a different activating noise to the other lightsabres in the original trilogy) but then it started getting used to describe all of them.



so it's really an onomatopoeia for the average star wars eu writer's lack of creativity

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

My whole life is a dark room.
One big, dark room.


Rochallor posted:

I irrationally despise the VWORP VWORP. It's the least accurate onomatopoeia since SNAP-HISS for lightsaber.

Whssssr would be better, but there's also no good onamotopoeia for dragging keys across the inside of a piano through a distortion filter, so here we are.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Chokes McGee posted:

Whssssr would be better, but there's also no good onamotopoeia for dragging keys across the inside of a piano through a distortion filter, so here we are.

WOM

Rochallor
Apr 22, 2010


Wheat Loaf posted:

"SNAP-HISS" was the onomatopoeia Tim Zahn came up with specifically for Luke's green lighstabre from ROTJ (which has a different activating noise to the other lightsabres in the original trilogy) but then it started getting used to describe all of them.



Huh. I never noticed that the green lightsaber had different sounds before. All I ever heard was the "fast turn on" of the blue saber and the "slow turn on" of the red one.

Chokes McGee posted:

Whssssr would be better, but there's also no good onamotopoeia for dragging keys across the inside of a piano through a distortion filter, so here we are.

I think wheezing and groaning is a spot on description, but there's no good word for that, yeah. Fwhhhhhhhh?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Davros1 posted:

DWM actually changed it for a while, but got a load of complaints, so they went back to VWORP VWORP

The BBC subtitles for the current series even use that sound. I had them on for the last episode and the TARDIS sound was done as [VWORP VWORP].

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


LLCoolJD posted:

Just watched part 1 of the Zygon Invasion. After some good episodes it's back to forgettable fluff. Part 1 had some of the most heavy-handed liberal spin I've ever heard on this show, treating on mass immigration to the U.K., the supposedly unfounded fear of lost benefits from said immigration, etc. Worse than that, it was just a bad episode. The two episodes with Arya Stark were fun at least.

The good news is that The Zygon Inversion is better. The bad news is that it doesn't make The Zygon Invasion any better.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor


Y'all crazy. VWORP VWORP has been part of Doctor Who longer than the term "Time Lord" and (I think) even the concept of regeneration - I'm at work, so I can't check that one. I've always loved it as an example of the way different iterations of Doctor Who blend into each other and stick around. Everything is important to someone, even those goofy 60s comics. (Link also includes The Land of Happy Endings, which everyone should read.)

EDIT - That's awesome about it being used in the captions. Maybe John and Gillian will show up next.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

I am in no way a zealot about cycling!

Cycling helmets are ABSOLUTE HARAM!


Jerusalem posted:

The good news is that The Zygon Inversion is better. The bad news is that it doesn't make The Zygon Invasion any better.

They should replace the political compass with a watch of The Zygon Invasion.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

My whole life is a dark room.
One big, dark room.


MrL_JaKiri posted:

They should replace the political compass with a watch of The Zygon Invasion.

I thought the UK was a signee of the Geneva Convention?

I actually like the episode but couldn't resist

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?




Short Synopsis: Ace wants to go large in Ibiza but winds up in a lovely family reunion instead.

Long Synopsis: The Doctor brings Ace to Ibiza to let her hair down and enjoy herself after a particularly traumatic event. A new club with a Biblical gimmick is all the rage, but the "Angels" who run it have ulterior motives. Twists and turns abound, not a one of which have any lasting impact or meaning.

What's Good:
  • The one bit where the Doctor explains "The Great Tribulation" to Ace who proceeds to mispronounce it as,"The Great Titillation" later on.

  • The brief moment where the Doctor quietly tells Ace why the death of Kurtz in Colditz affected her so deeply. It's quiet, reserved and utterly in contrast to the rest of the audio, which is very much a good thing.

What's Not:

  • The setting. I'm not one to say there are particular settings that Doctor Who CAN'T do, but there are surely plenty that should be avoided unless there is an AMAZING story to be told. The drug and alcohol fueled excesses of Ibiza are surely one of them, and as a backdrop for this story it feels completely out of place for something like Doctor Who. Why would the Doctor bring Ace to this place of all places? How is a hedonistic pleasure island a suitable place for Ace to get over her trauma? Particularly Ace, a character who has never shown any penchant for drugs, alcohol, dance music or even really people her own age? The decadent, even desperate locale just feels completely out of place - and stuffing the show into this setting really does come across as an embarrassing effort to feel topical or modern. Characters drink up large, take ecstasy and PCP (seriously!) and do their best to gently caress everything that moves. And yet what this comes across more like than anything else is a bizarre version of the holiday camp visit from Delta and the Bannermen, one of my least favorite Doctor Who stories of all time.

  • The acting. Sylvester McCoy is a fine actor, and he really nails the quiet or cunning moments where the 7th Doctor manipulates or smoothly overturns the plans/schemes of some villain or monster. Where he generally falls flat is when it comes for heavy emotional outbursts, they usually come across more like he's shouting to cover up a flat script or a disinterest/inability in conveying the emotion required. There is a LOT of shouting in this story from the Doctor, and McCoy sounds bored for most of it. It generally comes out of nowhere, characters are talking away when suddenly the Doctor just starts bellowing or screaming out for Ace like she'd about to be hit by a train or something. Meanwhile, Sophie Aldred should have been given a script that allowed her to sink her teeth into a young woman's attempts to come to terms with recent traumatic events. Instead she comes across as unusually bratty and sullen, alternating with moments where she whoops it up in clubs and sounds for all the world like a 40-year-old woman struggling to sound like a mid-20s woman throwing herself with reckless, thoughtless, joyful abandon into dancing. The supporting actors aren't much better, none of them are able to elevate the material they're given - the seemingly bipolar young drug addict wouldn't be out of place in a Reefer-Madness level PSA, the traumatized "Angels" have to explain the way they're feeling because it sure as hell doesn't come across emotionally in their performances. Plus the usual supposed "This changes EVERYTHING!" moment typical to Joseph Lidster stories not only fails to have any impact or meaning through the writing, but also in the performances of the two actors who are supposed to be reeling from the life-changing revelations that have been made.

  • The "twists". Joseph "Misery Porn" Lidster has become a name synonymous in Doctor Who audios with both needlessly "mature" character/plot "developments" AND pointless twists that go nowhere and have no impact on anything outside of the story he writes them in... and sometimes not even in that story! This is no exception, every twist or turn that comes in this story feels either pointless, needlessly dark or both. One big "cliffhanger" moment involves the "shock" revelation that a character whom the Doctor liked and trusted is actually the true villainous mastermind behind all the evil scheming.... and then in the very next episode reverts back to the same likable, nice person who is now suddenly shocked and appalled by what is happening. The "twist" was seemingly only there to get a gasp, followed by being immediately undone. The background of the "Angels" sees the dominant, "evil" role switch back and forth several times (sometimes in the same episode!) as first one and then the other reveals they're REALLY the ones secretly behind everything. The ending is especially galling, similar to the later story 100 where once the story is all wrapped up and the Doctor has departed and everything is done.... TWIST! It turns out the bad guy was just pretending to be defeated and now they're doing their evil scheme again and everybody is going to suffer and nobody can do anything about it the end no moral! But probably the worst offender of all is in the baffling and ultimately pointless decision to reveal that Ace has a brother. With all the impact that the revelations from the later The Reaping and Terror Firma had (none), it is explained that Ace's mother slept around so their father grabbed up his newborn son and left the 4-year-old Ace behind to go start a new life somewhere else. Years later he got sick and revealed the truth to the son (Lidster also has to throw in the father dying before the estranged son could make peace with him ) who has been trying to find Ace ever since, only to finally run into her completely by accident on Ibiza. After a bizarre scene where Ace openly explains she is a time-traveler and he just takes this completely at face value, Ace flies into a rage and refuses to have anything to with him. Then they apparently make up at the end of the story at which point this newly discovered brother says,"Well anyway you go do your thing I guess and I'll do mine, whatever " and they just go their separate ways. Unless something changes in the post 100 audios that I haven't listened to yet, I believe this is the last time we ever actually see Ace's "brother" outside of maybe one or two brief references Ace makes in later audios that amount to,"Yeah I have a brother ". The inclusion of his subplot has no impact, no meaning, provides no enrichment or building of Ace's character. It seems to be there simply for Lidster's love of retconning the pasts of characters/events in Doctor Who for no reason other than he can (ala the AWFUL reveal of the Doctor/Master past in Master).

Final Thoughts:

The Rapture is really bad. REALLY bad. As a direct follow-up to Colditz it is ESPECIALLY bad. The setting is embarrassing for a Doctor Who story, almost as embarrassing as the attempts to get into the mindset of the youthful characters or to see the now middle-aged Sophie Aldred have to try to play her younger self in a setting that Ace probably would have had zero interest in anyway. McCoy shouts his way through the embarrassing dialogue in the hopes of hiding how bad it is, making various leaps in logic and being stymied by out-of-character outbursts from Ace that feel completely detached from her usual personality even when you take into consideration the trauma of her time in Colditz. The twists and turns are present purely for the sake of being twists and turns, and have absolutely no impact on anything. The ending in particular is the usual awful Joseph Lidster trash of making it appear that the bad guy got away with everything and is now unleashing his evil unimpeded with the Doctor none the wiser. Just.... this is just an awful story.

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2015 around 23:19

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.


1. Jerusalem is right. This story sucks. Sucks. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

2. Ace mentions her brother to Hex during Night Thoughts, but outside of that I don't think he's ever mentioned or brought up again.

3. I actually enjoyed the soundtrack and the DJ (played by Tony Blackburn). The "drug crash" at the end of the second episode was the high point for the entire story.

4. See #1.

Rochallor
Apr 22, 2010


Jerusalem posted:

middle-aged Sophie Aldred have to try to play her younger self in a setting that Ace probably would have had zero interest in anyway

I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong with having actors play characters much younger than themselves (that's basically Big Finish's whole business model), especially when Sophie Aldred is so good at it. You're right though, that Ace would have no reason at all to want to go to Ibiza. This story really is a turd.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


CobiWann posted:

The "drug crash" at the end of the second episode was the high point for the entire story.

That is actually the only remotely interesting part of the entire story, I have to admit. I think the issue I had there is that the dreamy-surreal atmosphere somewhat echoes the framing used earlier where multiple characters have distinct conversations that blend in together to explain the plot. That earlier section really smacked of the writer trying a little too hard to be clever, though kudos for at least trying something different with the audio format.

So far the only Lidster story I can remember hearing where the actor was able to pull off his attempts at misery porn (and do so in a way that ended up being surprisingly inspiring!) was Janet Fielding in The Gathering.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Jerusalem posted:

So far the only Lidster story I can remember hearing where the actor was able to pull off his attempts at misery porn (and do so in a way that ended up being surprisingly inspiring!) was Janet Fielding in The Gathering.

Well, she is quite stellar.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible


You know, if they had managed to work in a plot about cyberspace and only had McCoy appear at the beginning and end, this would have been the perfect Virgin New Adventure.

echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style


Stayne Falls posted:

Extreeeemely vague non-spoilers for the season finale here, but I read something online from Capaldi:


Question for Echoplex is how much interaction do you actually have with the cast? It must be awesome to hear this kind of approbation from the star of the show, right?

I remember hearing him shout "BUT WHAT BUTTONS AM I SUPPOSED TO PRESS" so I don't know if that counts.

It's a bit mixed, normally as the graphic designer you tend not to go near set when they're actually shooting on it, but on DW it was almost a case of us painting the sets while they're rehearsing on them, it's so tightly paced, so you do overhear things. Alex Kingston was really lovely about some of our sets (and particularly the graphics, yay). Some of the actors had specific requests for graphics-based props - Jenna was great in terms of thinking of things her character should have, meanings and references and the like (which goes against the opinion I read on here a lot about how she wasn't that bothered about the show). The best feedback was usually when I did things like the invites for her leaving do or the wrap party

I was trying to think of what set he meant - and if it's the one I think it is then that's nice because that was definitely a scrum to make that set and I wasn't that happy about the bits I did. But there's a lot of great stuff in 12.

I did A Midsummer's Night Dream right after DW, which was shot in the DW studios with all the same crew, and that was produced/written by RTD and he is, without doubt, the nicest man in television. Really good feedback, very kind, and actually a great aesthetic eye (which is rare with producers).

Pocky In My Pocket
Jan 27, 2005

Giant robots shouldn't fight!



echoplex posted:

Jenna was great in terms of thinking of things her character should have, meanings and references and the like (which goes against the opinion I read on here a lot about how she wasn't that bothered about the show).

Can you think of/name examples because this sounds lovely :3

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


I don't know if this predates your time or not, but if it was Jenna Coleman's idea to make the Doctor's contact picture on her phone a stick insect then she's a goddamn genius

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Echoplex, were you serious about joining the Secret Santa? I don't have a response from you yet if so.

echoplex
Mar 5, 2008

Stainless Style


I'm always serious.

Little_wh0re posted:

Can you think of/name examples because this sounds lovely :3

Not yet - still yet to be aired (and probably won't be seen as is often the case)

echoplex fucked around with this message at Nov 13, 2015 around 11:03

Linear Zoetrope
Nov 28, 2011

A hero must cook

Jerusalem posted:

I don't know if this predates your time or not, but if it was Jenna Coleman's idea to make the Doctor's contact picture on her phone a stick insect then she's a goddamn genius

I don't get it.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Oh yeah…happy birthday to Paul McGann!

(he’s a very pretty, pretty man)

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

Ask me about my calm and reasonable opinions on cycling!

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Not in that photo

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Jsor posted:

I don't get it.

In season 8 she'd make fun of him for looking like a stick insect, all long-limbs and skinny. In one episode she gets a call from him and that image comes up on her phone screen.

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