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DoctorWhat posted:On no goddamn planet is 3+4 better than 1+2, because after the 5-minute mark 4 is terrible and makes 3 worse in retrospect. 1 and 2 may not be a perfect execution of the two-parter mandate but they're certainly the more enjoyable 90 minutes.
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DoctorWhat posted:On no goddamn planet is 3+4 better than 1+2, because after the 5-minute mark 4 is terrible and makes 3 worse in retrospect. 1 and 2 may not be a perfect execution of the two-parter mandate but they're certainly the more enjoyable 90 minutes. Except this one and I'll fight you I will 4 was flawed, but it was flawed in less fundamental ways than 1+2.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:32 |
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Clouseau posted:You should read RTD's Writer's Tale. To my recollection, a large part of it is him panicking over missed deadlines. That's RTD though, he's the nadir of this phenomenon
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:34 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Except this one and I'll fight you I will This. 4 wasn't the best conclusion, but it was satisfying and had some wonderful moments. 1+2 would have worked better if each had an extra 15 minutes of running time. Not to add any more content, but just to let the episodes breathe a little and allow us to soak up the plot. 3+4 had less going on, but that worked in their favor.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:02 |
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HD DAD posted:This. 4 wasn't the best conclusion, but it was satisfying and had some wonderful moments. I'd have cut the plane stuff. It was time-filling bollocks.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:07 |
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Gaz-L posted:Really? That and the misdirect of the Doctor and Mel having to find a fill-in for the Earth entry are my favourite parts. (You're meant to think Mel's going to perform, because if anyone in thread doesn't know, Bonnie is an ex-musical theatre star,.) Fair enough. It didn't really work for me.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:14 |
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Stabbatical posted:I'd have cut the plane stuff. It was time-filling bollocks. Yeah, it was bad. Have Missy take over Coal Hill as the new headmaster, hijinks ensue, and boom you have Clara and Missy meeting right off the bat.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:18 |
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HD DAD posted:Yeah, it was bad. Have Missy take over Coal Hill as the new headmaster, hijinks ensue, and boom you have Clara and Missy meeting right off the bat. Not like being shrunk has stopped Ian before.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 21:03 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That's RTD though, he's the nadir of this phenomenon "Ah, balls, can't finish this episode, gonna go down Canal Street instead". And then he cranks out Midnight in like, four days, while full of cold, and it's one of the best Doctor Who episodes of the revival.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 22:26 |
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Picklepuss posted:Complete with tissue-compressed little Ian Chesterton in her desk. But how will he escape without tiny Hartnell?
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 23:35 |
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After The War posted:But how will he escape without tiny Hartnell? Karate chop to the shoulder of a goon with his back turned, obviously!
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 01:52 |
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After The War posted:But how will he escape without tiny Hartnell? Remember, Ian killed what was basically a planet-controlling god by throwing a rock at it. I'm sure he could take care of a fifty foot tall Time Lord without breaking a sweat.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 05:01 |
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FreezingInferno posted:Seven with Jo? Oh man, I think I need to hear that. Was it any good? Quoting this because I got your Secret Santa present today! Thank you very much! I already own The Hand of Fear, so I'm going to re-gift it to my best friend whose five year old son is already into the show and loved The Ark in Space. What's the worst that could happen? But I do NOT own The Sun Makers and was actually going to buy it tomorrow! More Tom Baker! More I say!
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 05:04 |
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CobiWann posted:More Tom Baker! More I say! And now you know how generations of Doctor Who fans feel ALL the time!
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 06:16 |
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CobiWann posted:
Thread motto here.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 07:19 |
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Bicyclops posted:Thread motto here. I think the Brig has had enough
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 07:43 |
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Rhyno posted:I think the Brig has had enough He is surprising him with his tab from the local pub.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 07:57 |
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Jerusalem posted:And now you know how generations of Doctor Who fans feel ALL the time! Seriously, as I approach middle age there are two things I kick myself for all the time. One of them is wishing I had watched more classic Who in my younger days.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 14:05 |
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CobiWann posted:Quoting this because I got your Secret Santa present today! Thank you very much! Hooray! That got there pretty quick. This is amusing because originally I got Planet Of Evil and The Hand Of Fear, and then like an hour later I see a post from you all like "gee the Planet of Evil DVD features are interesting" and I was like SHITSHITSHITCANCELCANCELCANCEL I took a chance on Hand of Fear since I didn't think it was one many people really owned, but hey! I indirectly am bringing the joy of Tom Baker to a little kid! That's sweet. Enjoy the Sun Makers, it's a good one.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 14:06 |
Prisoners of the Sun has the most wooden acting I've ever heard
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FreezingInferno posted:I took a chance on Hand of Fear since I didn't think it was one many people really owned, but hey! I indirectly am bringing the joy of Tom Baker to a little kid! That's sweet. Enjoy the Sun Makers, it's a good one.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 20:58 |
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bobkatt013 posted:People might as its Sarah Jane's last one in the classic series and she is the most recognizable "old" companion. Also Eldrad. Who simply must live. EDIT - Back-to-back this with Robots of Death for the Bob and Phil Polite Threat Extravaganza.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 21:10 |
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Jerusalem posted:Karate chop to the shoulder of a goon with his back turned, obviously! Just be careful in case they're a myrka. Karate is ineffective against them. After The War posted:Also Eldrad. Who simply must live. "And now, Doctor, I have an audience with my king. KING?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
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Rhyno posted:I think the Brig has had enough This picture never gets old. "He's behind me. He's behind me, isn't he? Bloody hell."
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Chokes McGee posted:This picture never gets old. Why can't he change into Pertwee
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 23:21 |
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Short Synopsis: A nasty, squalid little story to be avoided. Long Synopsis: The 5th Doctor rushes Peri and Erimem to the planet Talderun to escape a run-in with the authorities. Cannibals, nudity, attempted rape, and torture all contribute to a bad story with a lovely, needlessly bleak atmosphere and a poor resolution. What's Good:
What's Not:
Final Thoughts: Nekromanteia is awful. It's really, really bad. It isn't fetishistic at least, or at least I didn't think so, but it features very uncomfortable sexual content that feels completely out of place for the world of Doctor Who. Its attempts to be "adult" and "mature" fall flat and feel jammed in to the story to absolutely no benefit. The characters are all terrible, nasty people who do horrible things without a second thought, with some of them being richly rewarded for doing just that. The story is half-baked and not thought through at all, with multiple elements going nowhere, being forgotten or just casually dismissed. The whole thing feels nasty and squalid, a lovely little "dark" story that more than anything made me embarrassed to be listening (the Peri bathing in oils scene) or very uncomfortable (the Erimem "rape"). I rarely suggest anybody avoid listening to a story because I always feel everybody should watch/listen to shows and decide for themselves... but I can only give my highest recommendation that you forget this story exists and don't ever put yourself through the misfortune of having to listen to it. It's a bad story. It's bad. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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You honestly could replace all of those words with "Nekromanteia is loving awful" repeated over and over again, there's honestly nothing more that needs saying. People poo poo on Minuet in Hell but that's a different sort of bad which means that's its a fun listen to laugh at it, plus it has the Brigadier and that's an obvious plus. Nekromanteia is just unfiltered poo poo with nothing good about it. Usually bad stories have some weird people on the internet that defend them: I'm pretty sure I've never seen a good word said about Nekromanteia... e: On the topic of good Big Finish stuff that I missed earlier: the first Big Finishes I ever listened to were the three 1963 ones (my big sis bought me them for christmas, lord only knows where they found them from) and they're a good introduction to Big Finish stuff if you ignore the fact that they are full price. They're stories that you could listen to without any knowledge of Big Finish stuff because they were produced as an additional 50th anniversary thing, and therefore they went a lot closer to the TV show than a lot of Big Finish stories do especially with the seventh Doctor one. My favourite one of the three is The Assassination Games because I'm a sucker for that sort of story (plus it has the Counter Measures folk in it!) but that isn't the one on sale - although Fanfare for the Common Men is pretty good as well. IceAgeComing fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Jerusalem posted:
To anyone thinking, "Nah, surely it can't be that bad." It is. Hands down the worst BF Who story. Avoid it. If you listen to it, you will hate yourself for doing so.
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 00:25 |
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I legit thought about making the write-up be purely,"This is poo poo." Minuet in Hell is really bad, but it's really bad in a listenable way, even if that is purely because you're constantly going,"What the gently caress am I listening to? " Nekromanteia is just awful, and not even in a car-crash way.
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 00:25 |
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I believe I've read that Peter Davison was so upset with "Nekromanteia" that he asked Big Finish never to let the guy who wrote it do another Doctor Who script for them. Also, if I recall correctly, the attempted rapist character gets the happiest ending out of the entire cast.
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After The War posted:Also Eldrad. Who simply must live. He CREATED THIS WORLDDDDD
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Wheat Loaf posted:I believe I've read that Peter Davison was so upset with "Nekromanteia" that he asked Big Finish never to let the guy who wrote it do another Doctor Who script for them. I would like to kiss Peter Wheat Loaf posted:Also, if I recall correctly, the attempted rapist character gets the happiest ending out of the entire cast. Yep, which outside of being distasteful makes zero sense since they've already established there is a strict hierarchy and seniority system that MUST be followed AND (in a single late throwaway line) that the character is of an "inferior" bloodline and by the rules of their society is automatically blocked from this kind of progression. It's just a terrible story.
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Jerusalem posted:I would like to kiss Peter Don't worry It's alright to kiss Peter
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I just want to say. I'm glad she's dead.
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 01:34 |
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I listened to Minuet in Hell last year while going through some 8 audios. I heard so much about how bad it is but... I kind of liked it? To be honest, I don't remember much of the plot - I guess it wasn't that memorable - but it felt so weird, surreal and I guess... kinky(?) in a way that it did grab enough of my attention to keep listening to it. I didn't find it unbearable like some of the goons, although it did sound unlike any Who story I heard before. Although I only had a chance to listen to maybe a dozen BF stories so I don't really have that much to compare it to. TL;DR: I did not hate Minuet in Hell. Ask me anything.
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 01:38 |
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I don't think anyone legit HATES Minuet, it's more like The Room or Plan 9 From Outer Space or The Pumaman. It's awful, but in a fun way.
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 02:18 |
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Minuet in Hell is a story you would hear on an audio version of MST3K. Nekromanteia is a story Mary Whitehouse would have legitimate grievances about.
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 02:48 |
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Minuet is funny bad; it's just the incoherency of the plot, the goofily bad American accents, and that weird sense that BF were trying to cobble this lunacy together into something, and then gave up half-way. It's passively "bad" - the attempts at drama are undercut by the absurdity of the story, and the hammy acting. But it's enjoyable enough to listen through. Nekromanteia...nthing everything else everyone has said. It's actively bad - listening to it leaves a bad taste in the mouth - it's audio grody. Jerusalem posted:[*] Sex and violence. I'm always torn when it comes to this type of thing in Doctor Who - I'd like to think there isn't ANY theme that can't be explored in an interesting way by a good writer. But the writing here is not good, and the overabundance of violence coupled with the extraordinarily distasteful sexual elements feel horribly out of place, present purely for their shock value. Sex has always been a difficult theme for Who to handle really. The closest it get to being handled okay in the audios, seems to be the Benny Summerfield stuff, but even then they drop the ball more times than not. Saying that though, even the episode in which a pansexual orgy happens (certainly one of the more episodes) is handled with more maturity than Torchwood.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Sex has always been a difficult theme for Who to handle really.
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 06:25 |
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In all seriousness, I think the best handle they ever got on it was season one of the revival. Outside of The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances which was a very fun way of looking at things, there's also that great bit in Aliens of London where they show up 12 months later instead of 12 hours and Jackie calls the policeman around. Rose attempts to explain their relationship (He's a traveler, and I'm his traveling companion) and he cuts straight to the chase with,"Your 'companion'.... is this a sexual thing?" It struck me as a very realistic question to ask (19-year-old girl disappears for a year with a middle aged stranger), it was handled in an appropriate fashion, and it allowed the Doctor and Rose to very quickly puncture the idea. The handling of sex (when it came up) in the years that followed wasn't the greatest, and forget about goddamn Torchwood, but I think RTD got it right in that first season.
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