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That was pretty cool.
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Sep 19, 2015 20:31
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just_a_guy posted:That is making me want it to be Saturday again. So... Excellent job. (Although I would rather a standalone to open the season Yeah, I'd like some kind of pure entertainment blockbuster opener before the dark and moody Plot Arc Two-Parter, like the prologue to a James Bond film. Theme for this series is looking like it'll be being haunted by (possibly unexpected results of) past actions; the Doctor abandoned Davros and possibly played a part in setting him on the path to create the Daleks, there's spoilers for later in the series declaring the return of past villains and faces we've seen before. I don't know where people are getting "mess" from, there was nothing really confusing or out of nowhere, but it did feel to me like not a lot actually happened; possibly Moffat's lost his touch at pacing two-parters and the interesting stuff will all be next week.
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Sep 19, 2015 20:41
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happyhippy posted:Havent watched it yet, please don't tell me this is going to be this season's overall plot question. It was rhetorical, the Doctor is indeed implying that he is partially responsible for who Davros became.
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Sep 19, 2015 21:13
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The Doctor [brandishing eggwhisk]: EXTERMINATE!
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Sep 19, 2015 23:17
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One bit of dialogue I thought fell really flat was Davros going "compassion is wrong". I could see like, compassion is weak, compassion is worthless, something like that, but "wrong" sounds like Moffat was wracking his brain trying to think of a word and settled on that.
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Sep 20, 2015 00:00
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They had teleport rays and escaped, or the whole thing is staged for the Doctor's benefit and his subsequent trip back to kill young Davros is playing into old Davros's hands somehow. That's my theory nobody else claim it.
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Sep 20, 2015 02:23
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Gimnbo posted:My brother decided to join me since I was watching TV, and I never watch TV. It was his first episode of Doctor Who and I'm pretty sure it will be his last.
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Sep 20, 2015 05:50
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There isn't really any minutiae of canon in the episode, I don't once remember thinking "I wish I watched the old shows because I don't have any context for this". The closest anyone's going to come to that is Davros showing up with no introduction but Davros is one of those cultural osmosis things everyone knows about, like Darth Vader or Klingons or Vodka Martini Shaken Not Stirred.
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Sep 20, 2015 14:25
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Why does the Doctor, when experiencing extreme emotion, not calmly do a coldly logical and intelligent thing, like most people do in the real world?
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Sep 20, 2015 16:33
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Burkion posted:Yep that's what I asked. You're not twisting the meaning of my words at all. It kind of looks like he would, given the end of this last episode. Anyway he's killed children before.
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Sep 20, 2015 16:48
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The Doctor only kills evil children, he definitely wouldn't kill the creator of the Daleks!
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Sep 20, 2015 17:02
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After he saw her he played Pretty Woman
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Sep 20, 2015 19:32
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armoredgorilla posted:I suspect the Doctor went to Skarro again for a reason and we'll find out next episode. He said in the 6 minute prequel that he was looking for a bookshop.
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Sep 21, 2015 03:56
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I can't remember the last time there was a space bar in the show. The space Orient Express maybe.
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Sep 21, 2015 12:48
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I think people have gotten used to single episodes, surely every cliffhanger before wasn't greeted with "well they're OBVIOUSLY going to survive this  "
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Sep 21, 2015 22:39
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docbeard posted:Well this cliffhanger isn't really "Clara and Missy, who have access to Chekhov's Teleport that we just saw fifteen minutes ago and which the dialogue made a specific point of describing, appear to have been disintegrated! Oh no!" so much as it's "The Doctor appears to be about to murder a child and possibly wreck all of history," which I think falls firmly into your second category. The Tardis got blown up as well, and it looked more convincing than in Journey's End. I'm sort of wondering if the teleporting was a red herring and Missy and Clara really did get murdered, and the Doctor travelling back to Kid Davros is an attempt to change it. That being the case I'd guess that Davros will spend some time next episode trying to tempt the Doctor into evil, ultimately trying to get him to go back and murder him as a child (why? Who nose) then the Doctor will go back and save Kid Davros instead, perhaps saying "I'm the Doctor! And I save people!" as he does, making it so somehow Clara and Missy will be alive again but causing some kind of time event as a result of changing the past that will cause the series-long story arc.
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Sep 22, 2015 03:09
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PriorMarcus posted:No it didn't. In Journey's end the entire interior was set alight, they blew out the windows on a practical model and everyone had time to react as the TARDIS was destroyed. Here, a single large gun shot it once and the screen faded to white with a Video CoPilot effect explosion, no one reacted for very long and that was it. In Journey's End the light came on and it vworped and faded, which the Daleks and the Doctor himself took as proof it had been destroyed instead of vworping away. In this episode there was a bright light and sparks with no visible vworping. It looked more like it had been destroyed.
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Sep 22, 2015 20:21
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That's the thing with "Moffat needs to go," I've never seen anyone follow that statement up with "and be replaced by:"
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Sep 23, 2015 06:07
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If you need to find the Doctor, who do you call to help you if not his best friend who he goes places with all the time?
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Sep 23, 2015 13:32
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Rewatching it, there's a glaring flaw in the bit where Missy opens the airlock. Clara is completely wrong, they wouldn't get sucked out if they were in space. They would get blown out.
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Sep 23, 2015 15:54
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docbeard posted:Eleven's entire storyline was, broadly, about the Doctor dealing with both his immortal legend and his personal mortality, in much the same way that Twelve's appears to be about the Doctor's identity and character. I don't mind this, in fact, I like it quite a lot, but I see how it could be tedious for some. .
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Sep 25, 2015 19:51
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The main character can change to a new actor when he gets killed. jesus. Classic Moffat rear end-pull.
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Sep 26, 2015 15:15
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Kikka posted:someone smarter than me should try to explain if theres any symbolical/analytical reason to use those hand things. if there isn't any the only reasons are "pun" and "something to .gif". Possibly evil hands pulling you into darkness could be a literalisation of Davros trying to make the Doctor turn evil but that seems a bit of a stretch. E: oh, or actually, the Doctor abandoned Young Davros to be pulled into darkness, the disembodied hands symbolising that there was no specific will behind how Davros turned out, the only will involved was the Doctor choosing to not save him. Also they're creepy. 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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Sep 26, 2015 15:27
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The sonic screwdriver unquestionably represents a dick, see Day Of The Doctor when they compared them. So the Doctor giving his screwdriver to Davros represents his shame at what he's done, throwing away his manhood, as well as being a commentary on the paedophilia scandal that has forever tainted the British entertainment industry.
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Sep 26, 2015 18:55
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The episode is going to have to really suck to bring me down from the Master pushing Clara in the hole.
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Sep 26, 2015 19:54
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Rookie mistake, Doctor. How could you not have predicted that Davros's chair would be full of snakes.
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Sep 26, 2015 19:58
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The Return Of Oswin Oswald
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Sep 26, 2015 20:07
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YES THE DAVROS LAUGH
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Sep 26, 2015 20:19
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Well the Tardis thing was an rear end-pull but the rest was pretty cool.
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Sep 26, 2015 20:35
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They say he's the creator of the Daleks, he appears in a Dalek-looking contraption and he refers to the Daleks as his children. He then spends the following half-hour chatting with the Doctor revealing all kinds of stuff about his character. Someone who's never seen an episode of Doctor Who before could watch that episode and then describe Davros in a way that passes the "don't describe their job or role within the story" Mr Plinkett Star Wars Review test.
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Sep 27, 2015 17:49
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Davros was emotionally engaging, in the sense that his writing and performance made me experience multiple emotions.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:08
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I guess the idea was the the Daleks wouldn't grow old and useless any more like the blobs down in the sewers? I'm not sure what they really hoped to gain from siphoning regeneration energy exactly, but wanting to be immortal is pretty universal I suppose.
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Sep 27, 2015 18:34
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Megaspel posted:He made the choice to give them the energy, knowing it would unleash a zombie horde. Is the Doctor the Judge and Executioner suddenly? He didn't know for sure they were going to steal the energy until they did it.
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Sep 27, 2015 20:33
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Plus it's cool because "have pity" is what Davros said to the Doctor in that one episode where the Doctor blew up Skaro.
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Sep 27, 2015 21:51
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Just imagine what could have been!
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Sep 27, 2015 22:39
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I kind of thought of regeneration energy as being something that's basically always ticking away in the background, allowing time lords to live for hundreds of years without aging, then there's a big rush of it when something deadly happens. So Matt Smithy had some regeneration energy left, enough to keep him ticking over for a few centuries, but he didn't have enough to actually grow a whole new face or whatever. I think David Tennant used a bit of regeneration energy to boot up the Tardis when it got stranded in a parallel universe and said "that's a year off my life" or something.
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Sep 27, 2015 23:49
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quote:Why would a summons from Davros lead to the Doctor's devil may care actions in the 12th century? Damned it I could explain it, because The Witch's Familiar sure doesn't.
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Sep 28, 2015 00:10
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Yeah the last thing I'm expecting Moffat to do is play a prophecy about a mighty warrior straight and expose the dark truth behind the Doctor leaving Gallifrey, any more than he was really going to give the Doctor a real name or rewrite Genesis Of The Daleks
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docbeard posted:I wish he didn't rely on the mythology so much, and I wish everything didn't have to be some massive epic that spans centuries and galaxies One of the things I loved about the last finale was that the stakes were basically the Master wanting a friend, instead of Daleks making a special bomb which blows up all the universes or whatever. In fact one thing I like about Moffat's tenure in general is that the bad guys are bad guys and not cosmos-conquering ultimate threats of ultimate death- see Davros in Moffat's hands compared to RTD's
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