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chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Anshu posted:

Does anyone else have anything to say about gen:LOCK? Or am I the only one here who's seen it?

It's been discussed a little upthread.

I saw one episode and bounced off, but other people liked it, apparently.

One massive problem is that the enemies get less characterization than Doctor Hell, which is a pretty big deal for a real robot anime.

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Droyer
Oct 9, 2012



Anshu posted:

Does anyone else have anything to say about gen:LOCK? Or am I the only one here who's seen it?

More like gen:COCK amirite?

Anshu
Jan 9, 2019




chiasaur11 posted:

It's been discussed a little upthread.

I saw one episode and bounced off, but other people liked it, apparently.

One massive problem is that the enemies get less characterization than Doctor Hell, which is a pretty big deal for a real robot anime.

Yeah, I was the person doing the discussing. And I agree with you about that problem - even called it out myself - although hopefully that's going to change whenever the second season eventually comes out.

The Muffinlord
Mar 3, 2007

newbid stupie?

It's not bad but it definitely would have benefitted from a few more episodes. They hinged a lot on that second season that's certainly not happened yet.

Snidhog
Dec 31, 2007


Gen:LOCK was cool, as was the whole consciousness transfer aspect, but +1 for it desperately needing a 2nd season and actually examining who the antagonists are/what they want/etc.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Snidhog posted:

Gen:LOCK was cool, as was the whole consciousness transfer aspect, but +1 for it desperately needing a 2nd season and actually examining who the antagonists are/what they want/etc.

This is honestly a huge problem with every show written by Rooster Teeth. It's fine when Red Vs Blue was a bunch of random sketches with the barest plot to justify new scenarios, but when the later seasons got plot heavy it got dumb real fast and the villains were barely explored.

And then there's RWBY. So I guess it does track that GenLOCK would have the same problem.

Pyronic
Oct 1, 2008

ROYAL RAINWHARRGARBL


Darth Walrus posted:

I am a little surprised that 'what if medieval knights were gigantic futuristic war machines' didn't catch on more in Western genre fiction, though. Outside 40K, obviously.

This is 100% of the reason Power Armor (as a subset of mecha) is a lot more popular in the west.

But yeah gimme Robot Jox any day of the week.

Anshu
Jan 9, 2019




Arcsquad12 posted:

This is honestly a huge problem with every show written by Rooster Teeth. It's fine when Red Vs Blue was a bunch of random sketches with the barest plot to justify new scenarios, but when the later seasons got plot heavy it got dumb real fast and the villains were barely explored.

And then there's RWBY. So I guess it does track that GenLOCK would have the same problem.

RWBY has done quite a bit of exploring the villains' motivations and personalities starting in Volume 4 and running all the way through to the currently-airing Volume 8, so while you could defensibly argue that they took too long to get to it, it is something they have done. And that's all I'll say on the topic, since this is the mecha thread and RWBY is not mecha.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Anshu posted:

RWBY has done quite a bit of exploring the villains' motivations and personalities starting in Volume 4 and running all the way through to the currently-airing Volume 8, so while you could defensibly argue that they took too long to get to it, it is something they have done. And that's all I'll say on the topic, since this is the mecha thread and RWBY is not mecha.

True enough. It just does feel like a recurring issue in RT shows.

Anyhow, I remember a show with a robot called Dan from Thursday. Gun X Sword? I watched a couple episodes and rolled my eyes at the lady whose name was just her breast measurements. Should I pick it back up?

Zero_Tactility
Nov 24, 2007

Look into my eyes.


Snidhog posted:

Gen:LOCK was cool, as was the whole consciousness transfer aspect, but +1 for it desperately needing a 2nd season and actually examining who the antagonists are/what they want/etc.
Absolutely this.

I really like post-human sci-fi bullshit, so I was really interested in Julian's whole situation. But similar to above, they staged a bunch of questions about that without having the time to properly explore them afterward.

Also, I thought the personalized mech designs were lackluster at best. The color-coded generic mechs they had earlier felt more consistent with the setting to me.


Pyronic posted:

This is 100% of the reason Power Armor (as a subset of mecha) is a lot more popular in the west.

But yeah gimme Robot Jox any day of the week.

Pyronic
Oct 1, 2008

ROYAL RAINWHARRGARBL


Arcsquad12 posted:

True enough. It just does feel like a recurring issue in RT shows.

Anyhow, I remember a show with a robot called Dan from Thursday. Gun X Sword? I watched a couple episodes and rolled my eyes at the lady whose name was just her breast measurements. Should I pick it back up?

Gun X Sword is real good and has one of my favorite one-off Vignette episodes in all of anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7RbK7Ekn2U

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012



GunxSword is a show where in retrospect i enjoyed the broad strokes of most episodes and characters, whether "episodic" or main plot, but the experience of watching the show often felt like a slog. still have not put a finger on why though. the dub didn't seem distractingly bad, production quality was definitely middling so battles weren't always engaging, otherwise i guess it suffered from overly-long final arc and how unpleasant and stupid Van was for most of the show? that stuff definitely paid off in the end but getting there wasn't easy.

i also gotta complain about the Original Seven designs because it feels like they designed Dann first and then decided the others should just all share the aesthetic. it works well enough on Dann but blowing it out to six others just leaves you with a bunch of ugly crap. the show otherwise has great varied designs like Eldora/Brownie/Volkein and even minor and one-off designs like the drone knights from the end of the series or the mech they fight at the hotel.

skywalker6705
Mar 16, 2006

"I can't fit my meat into my new shorts!"

Does anyone remember who it was that maintained the original Eureka Seven thread back when it was airing. Dude totally brought me around to seeing that show differently and I like it a lot more because of those conversations, but the thread is long dead and I haven't been on SA in like 10 years so I completely forgot.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





skywalker6705 posted:

Does anyone remember who it was that maintained the original Eureka Seven thread back when it was airing. Dude totally brought me around to seeing that show differently and I like it a lot more because of those conversations, but the thread is long dead and I haven't been on SA in like 10 years so I completely forgot.

Thread (needs archives): https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2101783
Was started by Zoolooman

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007


Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952





Arcsquad12 posted:

I just read this whole thread in about two days so now it's 3 am and I'm wondering why you don't see more western properties digging into mecha for shows. They're well represented in video games and tabletop with Battletech and 40K titans but in film and television you're options are incredibly limited if you don't care for Transformers.

Pacific Rim The Black is kind of a turn off for me because it looks like the Godzilla Planet of the Monsters anime movies and those sucked. Uprising was lame.

First off, The Black is far, far, superior to the Godzilla anime. Don't let visual similarities put you off.

Next, we've had some amazing 40K fan video in recent years.

Power armor is like a small mech, right ? This video is by one artist. Concept, modeling, animation, and especially sound design. No, we aren't expected to know what's really going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXEYksoE6c

And this has titans in it, those definitely are mechs. An Imperator-class counts as whatever it wants to. An artist took the audio book of Helsreach and animated it. The style evolves as he goes through it, but it started good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKMdHfOC7VQ

The really, really good news is that both of those artists now work for Games Workshop Animation. The Helsreach creator is doing a Blood Angels series. The Astartes creator... they should just give him as much money, drugs, and equipment as he needs and let him do whatever the hell he wants.

And there's more, GW is getting into animation and they're doing it by pulling in the top fan talent. It's a brilliant move, and a rare one for any IP holder go outside for creative talent.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/10/introducing-the-next-wave-of-warhammer-animations/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/18/hammer-and-bolter-spectacular-new-screenshots-from-the-animated-anthology/

skywalker6705
Mar 16, 2006

"I can't fit my meat into my new shorts!"


I knew it. I tried an archives search but it's so drat old I figured in the decade since it maybe got purged. Thanks.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





mllaneza posted:

First off, The Black is far, far, superior to the Godzilla anime. Don't let visual similarities put you off.

Next, we've had some amazing 40K fan video in recent years.

Power armor is like a small mech, right ? This video is by one artist. Concept, modeling, animation, and especially sound design. No, we aren't expected to know what's really going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXEYksoE6c

And this has titans in it, those definitely are mechs. An Imperator-class counts as whatever it wants to. An artist took the audio book of Helsreach and animated it. The style evolves as he goes through it, but it started good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKMdHfOC7VQ

The really, really good news is that both of those artists now work for Games Workshop Animation. The Helsreach creator is doing a Blood Angels series. The Astartes creator... they should just give him as much money, drugs, and equipment as he needs and let him do whatever the hell he wants.

And there's more, GW is getting into animation and they're doing it by pulling in the top fan talent. It's a brilliant move, and a rare one for any IP holder go outside for creative talent.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/10/introducing-the-next-wave-of-warhammer-animations/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/18/hammer-and-bolter-spectacular-new-screenshots-from-the-animated-anthology/

Games Workshop leans way, way too far into lionizing their fascist xenophobic Empire of Man for me to recommend their products to anyone at this point. The people who remembered it was satire are long gone from the company.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007



Midjack posted:

Games Workshop leans way, way too far into lionizing their fascist xenophobic Empire of Man for me to recommend their products to anyone at this point. The people who remembered it was satire are long gone from the company.

Yeah, pretty much any time I hear about GW these days it is either them being horrible money-grubbing bastards or actively housing literal Nazis.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007


Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952





ImpAtom posted:

Yeah, pretty much any time I hear about GW these days it is either them being horrible money-grubbing bastards or actively housing literal Nazis.

They told off the chuds in the fan base; get along or GTFO.

Definitely still moneygrubbing though.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Yeah a couple years ago they had a change of management and last year they did a massive purge and kicked a lot of their lovely fans to the curb during the Floyd protests. They're still grossly over expensive with their products but I do respect them trying to clean up their act. The best of their Black Library extended universe stuff treats the Imperium as a horrible, horrible place and only the worst bits of fluff still openly embrace the fascism. Most of their middling bolter porn novels just stick to violent nihilism typical of military SF rather than saying "the space nazis are right".

They do need to do more stuff with Titans and Knights to get my mecha vibes going. Titanicus is the peak, followed by Helsreach but there actually aren't many stories that focus heavily on the God Machines.

Arcsquad12 fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Mar 19, 2021

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Midjack posted:

Games Workshop leans way, way too far into lionizing their fascist xenophobic Empire of Man for me to recommend their products to anyone at this point. The people who remembered it was satire are long gone from the company.

It was never a satire. It was always just dumb. 40k is and always has been intentionally dumb and ridiculously over the top. The worshippers of the god of blood and skulls have giant robots called the Lord of Skulls that is full of blood and skulls, It has a cannon in the crotch that fires boiling blood and its right arm is a cannon that shoots giant skulls that explode into shrapnel and the shrapnel is flaming skulls.



40k kicks rear end.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007


i will always love 40k for the fact that there is no mystical power to be had from using skulls as tools or building materials. humans in 40k just really, really like skulls and believe that literally any object is improved by their inclusion.

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting





I really don't like 40K

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012




Gripweed posted:

It was never a satire. It was always just dumb. 40k is and always has been intentionally dumb and ridiculously over the top. The worshippers of the god of blood and skulls have giant robots called the Lord of Skulls that is full of blood and skulls, It has a cannon in the crotch that fires boiling blood and its right arm is a cannon that shoots giant skulls that explode into shrapnel and the shrapnel is flaming skulls.



40k kicks rear end.

Early 40K had extensive cross-pollination with 2000AD - many of the key personalities during its development were either 2000AD writers or friends of 2000AD writers, and that magazine always revolved around satire through goofy sci-fi excess. The Thoughts For The Day in the early editions of the rulebook are a dark mockery of fascist thought straight out of Judge Dredd or Nemesis the Warlock.

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting





Should be noted that 2000 AD, Judge Dredd 40K and many other works of the time were all born in England during the reign rule of Margaret Thatcher, and were a reaction to, and mockery of, her hardcore right wing stances.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





Gripweed posted:

It was never a satire. It was always just dumb. 40k is and always has been intentionally dumb and ridiculously over the top. The worshippers of the god of blood and skulls have giant robots called the Lord of Skulls that is full of blood and skulls, It has a cannon in the crotch that fires boiling blood and its right arm is a cannon that shoots giant skulls that explode into shrapnel and the shrapnel is flaming skulls.



40k kicks rear end.

The first edition released back in 1987 that was more a RPG with miniatures rules than a miniatures game very much was satire, and even some of the stuff from 2e like the infamous character named after Margaret Thatcher fell into that though late 2e was starting to take itself too seriously and it just went downhill from there. I'm glad to hear GW is trying to get the Nazis out but as long as their hero empire is a bunch of racists with skulls out the rear end they're always going to be highly suspect.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





Midjack posted:

The first edition released back in 1987 that was more a RPG with miniatures rules than a miniatures game very much was satire, and even some of the stuff from 2e like the infamous character named after Margaret Thatcher fell into that though late 2e was starting to take itself too seriously and it just went downhill from there. I'm glad to hear GW is trying to get the Nazis out but as long as their hero empire is a bunch of racists with skulls out the rear end they're always going to be highly suspect.

Well, "hero".

(Depending on the author and the story, the exact number of quotation marks varies.)

For the last few years, they've been running the Regimental Standard, an in-universe propaganda newsletter that's basically "it's funny because the Imperium is terrible and constantly lies to try to try to cover up its failures."

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Midjack posted:

The first edition released back in 1987 that was more a RPG with miniatures rules than a miniatures game very much was satire, and even some of the stuff from 2e like the infamous character named after Margaret Thatcher fell into that though late 2e was starting to take itself too seriously and it just went downhill from there. I'm glad to hear GW is trying to get the Nazis out but as long as their hero empire is a bunch of racists with skulls out the rear end they're always going to be highly suspect.

It seems weird to say that 40k started going downhill after Rogue Trader since Rogue Trader was barely anything. Some incoherent fluff and ancient metal models. Hell, Ghaghkull being named after Margaret Thatcher is just a fan theory, the actual writers have denied it.

And 40k stuff doesn't really depict the Imperium as a hero empire. It falls into thinking Space Marines are just the coolest thing a little too often, but the Imperium itself is pretty much always depicted as a monstrous organization that destroys human life on an unimaginable scale.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


How do you have a character named Mag Uruk Thracka whose nickname is "The Iron Ork" and not think he's a Thatcher pun?

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Arcsquad12 posted:

How do you have a character named Mag Uruk Thracka whose nickname is "The Iron Ork" and not think he's a Thatcher pun?

Yeah it was never subtle and any "oh it's absolutely definitely not a thatcher reference" is almost assuredly an attempt to avoid being hassled.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007


Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952





Arcsquad12 posted:

They do need to do more stuff with Titans and Knights to get my mecha vibes going. Titanicus is the peak, followed by Helsreach but there actually aren't many stories that focus heavily on the God Machines.

The 30K era has some. Titandeath is a massive engine war at the gates of Sol System. Mortis will be the 5th Siege of Terra book and is due soon. That'll be about Legio Mortis, who reportedly were dicks even before they turned traitor.

free hubcaps
Oct 12, 2009



i skimmed through one of the vifam ovas and it had like, ten seconds of a vifam throwing a log at something and no other mech action at all

catchy op tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGwMXGT0gs

GorfZaplen
Jan 20, 2012



Sounds great. Vifams mech action was never the focus anyway. I'll probably use those as some post surgery recovery watching

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine


Kinda like how Go Shogun: The Time Etranger doesn't feature the titular robot(or any robots for that matter) at all, had to take some enormous balls to make something like that as the movie tie-in for a toyetic Super Robot series

Willo567
Feb 5, 2015

Idolhood is realized in the face of death

drrockso20 posted:

Kinda like how Go Shogun: The Time Etranger doesn't feature the titular robot(or any robots for that matter) at all, had to take some enormous balls to make something like that as the movie tie-in for a toyetic Super Robot series

I'm pretty sure the guy who wrote Goshogun and Time Etranger (Takeshi Shudo) went on to write the first series on Pokemon, and planned to have it end with Pikachu leading a revolt against humanity, with Meowth as his ambassador.

He also wrote Minky Momo, which had (spoilers) Momo being killed by a toy truck in response to toy sponsors pulling their support for the show

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!



Fallen Rib

Amazed at the end of Getter Robo Armageddon like bro I guess we have no moon, a second sun where Jupiter used to be, and no Kuiper belt now, feels like people should be more upset

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007


yes, but there is also getter emperor, which is somehow inspiring and not the terrifying inevitable end of the universe.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

yes, but there is also getter emperor, which is somehow inspiring and not the terrifying inevitable end of the universe.

Getter Emperor's depiction really varied by series in the original saga. Sometimes it was a symbol of hope and interconnectedness, sometimes it was the doom of the universe.

Even in Arc, though, it was on humanity's side. It's just that speaks... less than entirely well of humanity.

Droyer
Oct 9, 2012



chiasaur11 posted:

Getter Emperor's depiction really varied by series in the original saga. Sometimes it was a symbol of hope and interconnectedness, sometimes it was the doom of the universe.

Emperor has only been the second. I assume in the first one you're referring to the Go manga, but Emperor never shows up in it.

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Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Marx Headroom posted:

Amazed at the end of Getter Robo Armageddon like bro I guess we have no moon, a second sun where Jupiter used to be, and no Kuiper belt now, feels like people should be more upset

I mean, the alternative is "everyone got taken over/eaten/murdered by horrific shapeshifting space monsters", so I guess it counts as a win.

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