SirSamVimes posted:

Confirming that there was a lot of posts while I was asleep dang

Podima posted:

It's a pressure vote to wake him up - he posted a lot of great reads during Mad Max, but has been weirdly quiet this game so far.

Kumbamontu posted:

This is a really strange post and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. You spent the time to case two people and then... voted someone else. Do you think Colonel is scum or is this just a lurker prod? nevermind you answered this already


Do you think putting a single vote on someone 2 days out from deadline is actually pressure enough to get someone to post? Because this seems like posturing to me. I don't think you actually care about that person posting and you instead just wanted to throw out cases on people and not tie a vote to either of them. Especially the first few words of the first quote - "That should be good for now" - it reads like you're just trying to fit in by throwing some light suspicion on people without following up on it by hedging hard and voting someone with no content. Dislike.

Someone Awful! posted:

I agree that it seems weird that Gabriel Pope didn't make any alignment calls/votes in his last posts; I especially feel like the point he made on me was a bit forced (though obviously I have some bias there, lolol). I feel like his posts are basically throwing softball reads out there in the hope that one of them sticks/gathers steam rather than actually scum-hunting?

##vote gabriel pope

Gabriel Pope posted:

Kashuno is trying way too hard, but he seems confident in his convictions. I find Hermetic's opportunism a lot more eyebrow-raising:

Kashuno jumped on the Biaga vote ASAP, but Heremetic waited for it to conveniently build up some steam before joining in, then tries to stoke things up again when the fire starts to die down. With the weirdest, craziest theory I've ever seen, no less, then backpedaling when it's pointed out how crazy it is.

Hermetic posted:

Hi Someone Awful!

It's less the defeatism being scummy, but the tone of it. Like he's feigning defeatism and trying to get us to back off. He has an attitude of "Go ahead and lynch me...BUT YOU'LL BE SORRY!" It feels a tad off to me.

I do agree that there are better candidates, though keeping me on your scumdar isn't the worst idea. My lack of posting and appearance of bandwagoning is a bit scummy, I admit.

Kumbamontu posted:

Evidence is demonstrably not everything in mafia - persuasion is. You don't have to be right, you just need to convince others that you're right. Looking for hard evidence that someone is scum is going to be an uphill battle, because everything is subjective.

As people have already stated, looking for a "viable option" this early reeks of trying to take advantage of someone's blunder instead of actually hunting scum. Gut calls are perfectly fine D1 - even if you're wrong, you can get people to respond to your prods and accusations in order to better gauge their alignment. You're coming across as even more defeatist than Biaga is here. This, combined with your tinfoil theory and Podima's analysis of your sheepishness, leads me to believe you are scum.

##vote Hermetic

Kashuno posted:

I disagree

##vote Biaga

TMMadman posted:

This is an opportunistic vote.

##vote Kash

Kashuno posted:

nah

TMMadman posted:

More like people seem to be in a real hurry to jump on a new guy for what basically amounts to awkwardness.

He's got one thing right, Kash is scum.

Nth Doctor posted:

Kash, you went from a vote on Biaga being weird to voting him yourself in just over an hour and you've stuck to your guns ever since. This is why I agree with TMM that your vote seems opportunistic. The only waver you've had was this morning:

Furthermore you got a direct accusation of being bros with Pope and you did the same thing you blame Biaga for:

You aren't answering the charge here. You're just at TMM.
##vote Kashuno

Kashuno posted:

TMM seems town right now. He does this every game, and in fact the only time he doesn't make a d1 scum read on me is when he's scum.

Kashuno posted:

Do people just not read in this game or?????

Kashuno posted:

Colonel, how would it make any sense that Biaga is likely scum if I'm definitely scum? Do you think I'm doing some insane suicidal bussing strat?

How have i rolled off the radar? I've been garnering votes all day and engaging the thread in discussion.

Finding Gabriel's response to be weird doesn't insinuate in any way that I find Biaga to be town, and I don't get where you think I'm back pedaling there.

Currently I think Gabriel is posting a lot, and not a ton that feels substantial to me. As we approach deadline, I'll want to see where their content goes or if it's mostly white noise.

I haven't dodged an accusation and I think it's clear from that you aren't noting my reactions and are in fact trying to create a narrative to support your vote that doesn't exist.

Kashuno posted:

Actually the amount of inconsistencies and weird story fabrications that I noticed, colonel is jumping on a vote and trying to gauge the feeling of the thread before it becomes a full wagon.

##vote colonel corazon

Nth Doctor posted:

Kash, you went from a vote on Biaga being weird to voting him yourself in just over an hour and you've stuck to your guns ever since. This is why I agree with TMM that your vote seems opportunistic. The only waver you've had was this morning:

Furthermore you got a direct accusation of being bros with Pope and you did the same thing you blame Biaga for:



You aren't answering the charge here. You're just at TMM.
##vote Kashuno

Kashuno posted:

Kashuno posted:

nah

Green Intern posted:

So I didn't have nearly as much time to actually post this evening as I thought, due to prepping early for the possible hurricane this weekend. Just reread as much as I can.

I think that Hermetic's speculation on Biaga's lynch, and treating it as somewhat inevitable seems a bit off. The tinfoil stuff was kind of weird and I don't really like how he's felt kind of white noise-y. Saying "haha, yeah this seems scummy" just kind of brings the bad vibes to me. Gabriel Pope was at least right that Hermetic wasn't the first vote, and waited for a little more support on the vote-train to bring out the weird theories.

I kind of agree with Kashuno re: Corazon's giant wall'o'casing, but it might just be because it didn't feel very organized and that kind of poo poo really irks me when someone's trying to convince me with a body of evidence. I am going to reread that thing once more before I go to bed.

At this stage, I'd be alright voting Hermetic to avoid a no-lynch. Possibly Biaga because I can see the rationale for scum in his case, although I am still leaning on the side of 'nervous new town player.' Colonel Corazon hasn't really posted a ton so it's kind of hard to get a good read.

Green Intern posted:

I really don't get the 'Kash has rolled off the radar' bit in your giant case post, Corazon. Kash has been in the middle of the discussion for the last page or two. Seems like it could be an attempt to push some extra heat on Kashuno.

Kashuno posted:

This is literally: "My entire argument fell apart, but I'm going to keep my vote where it is anyway because "

Hermetic posted:

You are taking this way too seriously, mate. You know you don't get lynched in real life if you lose the vote, right?

Kashuno posted:

I will agree that it was lovely to hammer early. He was pissing me off with his silly poo poo so I just decided I had had enough and lynched. I don't regret my decision.

Back to voting for the real scum ##vote colonel corazon

Gabriel Pope posted:

CC threw together a slipshod case D1, then you pulled a ridiculously bad hammer vote to end D1 early, and now CC is conveniently hiding behind your bad play to look like they were always justified in pushing your case.

Kashuno posted:

I can't wait to be lynched for getting angry at someone

Podima posted:

I missed this in CC's huge effortpost and you're right, it's seriously


There's no missing nested quote in the middle of that, he literally just pivots straight from biaga to Kash with like no transition whatsoever.

Gabriel Pope posted:

Yeah, it's not like we want to do any scumhunting or anything

##vote biaga

Kashuno posted:

this is a weird insinuation

Kumbamontu posted:

I think a defeatist attitude is something a lot of newbies (and, hell, non-newbies too) fall into regardless of alignment

Kashuno posted:

I disagree

##vote Biaga

quote:

Kumbamontu posted:

Scum are typically, psychologically speaking, prone to self-consciousness, and thus when posed with the question of "Are you scum?" they are more likely to answer with very short responses like a simple no..

Kashuno posted:

nah

Podima posted:

Kashuno posted:

nah

Kashuno posted:

Why? Biaga answered Kumba's question with a non-answer, rather than a denial. His response is not useful, and is dodging the question. In addition, taunting a vote like that seems very scummy to me. It's a small case, but it's something for now.

Kashuno posted:

Yes.

Biaga posted:

If I was serious about calling you a scum I would have voted. I know nothing about you, besides the few brief posts in this game so far, and all your posts of which are pretty much feeler posts and fluff to get the thread going.

Biaga posted:

I will take dumb or weird.

First part, this is not my first werewolf style game but it is my first real push into playing without face to face interaction. Continually I know at this rate I will either be dead in the first day or the first night.

Also, you don't think I have already stirred the pot? (abeit unintentionally).

Personally I would start to look at the people who on the first day are prepared to draw blood. The town gains nothing by cutting out members, especially at a time where there is no real proof of alignment outside of speculation and suggestion.

These posts still feel scummy as hell. Especially The town gains nothing by cutting out members, especially at a time where there is no real proof of alignment outside of speculation and suggestion.

Kumbamontu posted:

Why? It's wrong, but why is it scummy?

Kashuno posted:

After resigning himself to accusation and death (twice now) he then states it's a bad idea to start killing people d1.

Kashuno posted:

I would like it if you post cases, reasoning, and votes. If you are town, posting analysis is the only weapon you have to help hunt scum; the posts you've been making are not helpful to town and seem more like scum dodging generating content in fear they will make their scum bros look bad or accidentally slip something.

Kumbamontu posted:

Evidence is demonstrably not everything in mafia - persuasion is. You don't have to be right, you just need to convince others that you're right. Looking for hard evidence that someone is scum is going to be an uphill battle, because everything is subjective.


As people have already stated, looking for a "viable option" this early reeks of trying to take advantage of someone's blunder instead of actually hunting scum. Gut calls are perfectly fine D1 - even if you're wrong, you can get people to respond to your prods and accusations in order to better gauge their alignment. You're coming across as even more defeatist than Biaga is here. This, combined with your tinfoil theory and Podima's analysis of your sheepishness, leads me to believe you are scum.

##vote Hermetic

Kashuno posted:

I really like this argument, and will have to give Hermetic a reread.

TMMadman posted:

I don't like those last two posts by Gabriel. All he does is essentially call out two people for hedging, but doesn't make any alignment calls.

My gut says Kash and Gabriel are working together.

Kashuno posted:

Kashuno posted:

I don't get you, man. His callouts aren't related to people I've even commented on except for saying I need to reread herm thanks to Kumba. I'm not calling people out without giving alignments or backing my play, we aren't acting similarly or going after the same people. What makes you think that we're both scumbros?

Nth Doctor posted:

Kash, you went from a vote on Biaga being weird to voting him yourself in just over an hour and you've stuck to your guns ever since. This is why I agree with TMM that your vote seems opportunistic. The only waver you've had was this morning:

Furthermore you got a direct accusation of being bros with Pope and you did the same thing you blame Biaga for:



You aren't answering the charge here. You're just at TMM.
##vote Kashuno

Kashuno posted:

I don't get you, man. His callouts aren't related to people I've even commented on except for saying I need to reread herm thanks to Kumba. I'm not calling people out without giving alignments or backing my play, we aren't acting similarly or going after the same people. What makes you think that we're both scumbros?

TMMadman posted:

It's because in all the hedging that Pope has done so far, he makes a post that calls you town.

Kashuno posted:

Fair. I hadn't noticed that.

Biaga posted:

So I have stopped lurking in this thread, so I apologise for not posting as much as I use to (continually I am in school so Wednesdays are busy for me) but regardless i will attempt to clarify my justification for pointing a finger at Kashuno.

The first person to vote for me was pope, I honestly think his vote was less a serious post and more a point of justifying to me the intention of day1 in feeling out people and forcing them to justify a vote or suspicion. Kushuno, on the other hand, was less about justification and more aimed at removing the first likely threat. He jumped on voting for the first person with a weak defense, or, more accurately to my situation, lack of experience.

Resigning to die is really easy especially when you have nothing to hide. I also have never stated that killing someone on d1 is anything but negative(though I have grown to see the logic in a game outside face-to-face interaction, as this brief period of attention in game has grown to show me).

I think this sums it up pretty nicely, and only saw this after I started this post.

##vote Kashuno

Kashuno posted:

If my vote was opportunistic and trying to jump at the first threat I see, why would I stick with my vote as is right now when the tide on the case is turning, and there are other people being voted?

Also it seems weird that a post calling me town sums up your opinions and says to you that you should vote for me.

Kashuno posted:

Colonel, how would it make any sense that Biaga is likely scum if I'm definitely scum? Do you think I'm doing some insane suicidal bussing strat?

How have i rolled off the radar? I've been garnering votes all day and engaging the thread in discussion.

Finding Gabriel's response to be weird doesn't insinuate in any way that I find Biaga to be town, and I don't get where you think I'm back pedaling there.

Currently I think Gabriel is posting a lot, and not a ton that feels substantial to me. As we approach deadline, I'll want to see where their content goes or if it's mostly white noise.

I haven't dodged an accusation and I think it's clear from that you aren't noting my reactions and are in fact trying to create a narrative to support your vote that doesn't exist.

Kashuno posted:

I would like it if you post cases, reasoning, and votes. If you are town, posting analysis is the only weapon you have to help hunt scum; the posts you've been making are not helpful to town and seem more like scum dodging generating content in fear they will make their scum bros look bad or accidentally slip something.

TMMadman posted:

Honestly, I think this CC/Kash thing might end up being the best option. I can't see both of them being scum and going so hard at each other. There is the possibility that both are town and it's just a standard town slap fight, but I think it's more likely that one is scum and the other is town. Personally, I lean towards Kash as scum, but I am always slightly biased against him. However, Kash is pushing some people to make calls, but so far his only real calls are CC is scum and he continues holding his D1 view on Biaga being scum. Let's take a different track here, Kash who do you think is town right now?

Gabriel Pope posted:

Well, it conveniently got a bunch of lurkers (such as you) off the hook for posting D1 and gave you an excuse to keep pushing Kash instead of doing real scumhunting. I don't see any way that it realistically could have been coordinated between you two but you have to admit that it was a gift from heaven for you.

Someone Awful! posted:

I'll take a messy d1 over a low-effort/boring d1 any day.

Would vote: hermetic (for reasons stated earlier), ssv (lurking and lazy me-too voting), maybe gabriel pope but I feel better about him now.

TMMadman posted:

Oh I agree. I was actually going to write: This has been a pretty messy D1, but we should get good information regardless of who we lynch. However, I didn't want to sound like I didn't care about who we lynch because I want to lynch scum.

I don't like this post at all, it seems like a completely overstated and unnecessary clarification to reassure us that you're totally town for sure bros

TMMadman posted:

Fair enough, but I think you're jumping at ghosts.

Someone Awful! posted:

Possibly! Like I wouldn't vote you for it it just seemed idk, over the top

more "i'm gonna look at that dude again" then "holy crap hang that dude asap"

Gabriel Pope posted:

Some super-hedged posts from Someone Awful, getting a really weird vibe here. He really, really wants to make a case on kumba but doesn't really have anything to build it on, so he calls it a gut feel. Nothing wrong with calling your gut, but I'm at how much he preemptively tries to defend and distance himself from his "gut" posts.

Also kind of curious why this comes up at all. What makes you peg him as a power role? I'm just honestly curious about your reasoning here, it doesn't seem to be particularly scummy but it comes out of left field.

Gabriel Pope posted:

I explicitly said exactly the opposite of that, so no.

Yes, I think Kash is scummy. No, I don't think you're seriously scumhunting. Your megapost is a mix of pointing out the obvious (I think literally everybody is suspicious of his D1 hammer) and rehashing your terrible D1 arguments that are still terrible:

You keep quoting Kumba starting to back off Biaga as evidence of Kash's vote being "opportunistic." An opportunistic vote would be taking advantage of other people doing the groundwork and putting votes and pressure on someone.

Kashuno posted:

That is a real big post to say effectively nothing

Kashuno posted:

My posts have actual content and reads though? That post is a huge "I don't have reads on anyone except the guy everyone thinks is scum, even though we're almost through d2"

Kashuno posted:

Colonel, nothing I say to you extends beyond this game you scumbo

Podima posted:

His early d2 posting once modkill/replacement was threatened was all about throwing shade at various easy-target people without building cases, bad setup spec, and clearly pushing to get himself above the modkill line. Once he got there that night, he vanished from the thread without actually putting a vote down. Yes, I get Australia time, but he then wandered off to post in TWO OTHER MAFIA GAMES without returning to this one over the next 24 hours. Since then, all his posts in the thread have been terrible low content contributions that do nothing to advance the town cause. (He's still the only one below the mod+votefinder line, notably.)

SA! poked at a few different people on d1, but he ultimately threw a lot of shade on SSV and then wound up dead. This, combined with SSV's immediate leap to trying to open up multiple NK possibilities at the start of d2, looks really suspicious.

As bad as Biaga's lack of posting is, I still think that SSV has raised more red flags than he has right now with fewer posts in this thread. ##vote ssv

Biaga posted:

Why, should I continue to state that I think you are scum? Yes, I have other suspicions but you continue to prove to be a petty, defensive, bloodthirsty, and overall scummy player.

I will keep my vote as it is now, I am pretty happy with my decision.

Green Intern posted:

Formatting, why.

Reposting my sections for Colonel Corazon and Vimes:

Neutral/Undecided
Colonel Corazon - Alright, I'm mixed in my opinion here. You pushed Hermetic at the same time as Kashuno in your first big rambly post, and then voted Kashuno. Backed off on that once Hermetic started to break down. I reread this post of yours, and put out this weak assertion that Gabriel Pope would have been smart to kill Someone Awful, and then you back off on it. Immediately after giving Vimes a pass, you get back on Gabriel Pope for supposedly defending Kash while quoting him as saying that he thinks Kashuno is scummy. It reads like muddying the waters to me. I don't like it.

Kinda Scummy
SirSamVimes - Posting is really light on content D1. He brought up the whole setup spec discussion, which has been a minor distraction/annoyance throughout D2. Seriously light posting on D1, which comes down to "I'm getting ~vibes~ from Kashuno."

SirSamVimes posted:

Okay that works for me. ##vote Biaga

Podima posted:

What the hell are you people doing