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Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

The level of betrayal I felt when Paradox announced their new wallpaper tore something from me that I'll never be able to recover. They tore away my ability to respect anything, and they tore away my ability to feel human.

Panzeh posted:

They all struck me as dumb caricatures, honestly, but then i'm not as infatuated with the writing as other people.

That is the whole point because ultimately for balance's sake they all have to be written as 'really good at this one thing they like but also really bad at this other thing they don't like'.

That's part of what makes EU4 so good at helping people suspend disbelief to create their own narratives, all nations start out as 'average' with a bit of power diversity and then through ideas become really good at certain things they care about without magically getting worse at other things. They just remain average in comparison to other nations that specialised in those other things.

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Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009


Fun Shoe

uPen posted:

It's very good.

Not on steam, to much effort to acquire.


So goal for HoI4, take Switzerland, pretend Lenin didn't leave the country and turned it communist, then conquer everyone around you with the help of the soviets.

The Sharmat
Sep 5, 2011

by Lowtax


Panzeh posted:

They all struck me as dumb caricatures, honestly, but then i'm not as infatuated with the writing as other people.

They were dumb caricatures, purposefully so. I liked it but I can see why other people wouldn't. It's pretty over the top. It's sort of like the political equivalent of the Warhammer 40k setting. In the grim darkness of the 22nd century, there are only shrill cardboard ideologues.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an


The best faction in Alpha Centauri were the pirates and that was because there was no real pseudo-philosophical "teenagers first Political Science" quotes behind it. Just some dudes on the water making bank.

The Sharmat
Sep 5, 2011

by Lowtax


Some of the quotes were good, like the Network Node one. Or the recycling tanks one with Chairman Yang's soothing, Mr. Sulu-esque voice.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010






Lipstick Apathy

It is a classic space 4x mistake to assume that humanity will ever meet an alien race that is more militaristic, fascist and xenophobic than ourselves, and I'm glad Stellaris isn't falling into that trap.

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?

PleasingFungus posted:

What is your reaction to this image?



That's pretty much the answer to whether you'll like the game, I think.

(The thread is here.)

holy loving lol

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

The very sight of him was enough to make Bush, who had already had one drink from the well, feel consumed with thirst all over again.



Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010


PleasingFungus posted:

What is your reaction to this image?



That's pretty much the answer to whether you'll like the game, I think.

(The thread is here.)

Never played this game, but why the hell are the turrets not in line? Is this some kind of crazy per-dreadnaught?

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

The very sight of him was enough to make Bush, who had already had one drink from the well, feel consumed with thirst all over again.


Charlz Guybon posted:

Never played this game, but why the hell are the turrets not in line? Is this some kind of crazy per-dreadnaught?

The big revolutionary advance of the HMS Dreadnaught was to carry all big guns in a line so they could all be brought to bear whichever side the enemy was on. (Also steam turbines)

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010






Lipstick Apathy

Charlz Guybon posted:

Never played this game, but why the hell are the turrets not in line? Is this some kind of crazy per-dreadnaught?

IRL there were post-Dreadnought designs that still placed turrets in configurations that wouldn't allow for ~180 degree traverses that one might intuitively expect.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012

The level of betrayal I felt when Paradox announced their new DLC tore something from me that I'll never be able to recover. They tore away my ability to respect anything, and they tore away my ability to feel human.

Enjoy posted:

The big revolutionary advance of the HMS Dreadnaught was to carry all big guns in a line so they could all be brought to bear whichever side the enemy was on. (Also steam turbines)

Nah, Dreadnought had some wing turrets which could only fire to one side:

All centerline turret designs came later, with the Orion class super-dreadnoughts.

The BB PleasingFungus posted has the "cross-firing enabled" box checked though, indicating that its wing turrets can be fired across its deck, although with a fairly limited field of fire on the "wrong" side.

In RTW, you unlock the ability to have more centerline turrets, or cross-firing turrets at higher tech levels, so depending on how the semi-random research works out you have a transition period from Bs to BBs where you might have to accept turrets that can only fire to one side or cross-firing turrets for a while before you can design all centerline bad boys.

Darkrenown fucked around with this message at Oct 20, 2015 around 11:52

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

The very sight of him was enough to make Bush, who had already had one drink from the well, feel consumed with thirst all over again.


Sounds cool

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Jozy loves scoring like a fat kid loves eating cake.


College Slice

Darkrenown posted:

Pretty sure you can go full commie in space. I only play space-nazis though so I haven't really checked


You gotta wait for the ship design DD, but I think you will be fairly happy.


Well that's not Stellaris, but I would also play the poo poo out of that game.


I would love if we did. RTW is great and I have been trying to interest people around the office. So far our ex DLC-Empress and now Cities Skylines producer has bought it and is cursing me for her lost productivity - she is a huge navy sperg. Other than that, the HoI4 AI programmer seemed pretty interested but hasn't bought it yet as far as I know.

You should convince Paradox to absorb the NWS guys and then get them to make a) a naval/aerial warfare game covering the entire 20th century, basically RTW but with planes and cruise missiles; and then b) a space RTW, only both games would have Modern Paradox-level QA, graphics, and development (and pricing).

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

The level of betrayal I felt when Paradox announced their new wallpaper tore something from me that I'll never be able to recover. They tore away my ability to respect anything, and they tore away my ability to feel human.

vyelkin posted:

You should convince Paradox to absorb the NWS guys and then get them to make a) a naval/aerial warfare game covering the entire 20th century, basically RTW but with planes and cruise missiles; and then b) a space RTW, only both games would have Modern Paradox-level QA, graphics, and development (and pricing).

It's just one guy and he's a bit surprised people bought his game.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Jozy loves scoring like a fat kid loves eating cake.


College Slice

Alchenar posted:

It's just one guy and he's a bit surprised people bought his game.

I thought there were two of them, one doing most of the work and one doing something else.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008



Kidnap them to Stockholm and bring them socialism/a rough tumble

Hitlers Gay Secret
Mar 7, 2010

The Third Reich's under new -- and better -- management.

Hasn't word reached Camp Pendleton yet?


College Slice

Has anyone tried out the game Rogue State? Looks interesting enough. And has a catchy national anthem.

EDIT: fixed typo

Hitlers Gay Secret fucked around with this message at Oct 20, 2015 around 19:30

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009



Seriously PDX I know you don't want to set off the Paradox Plaza tinfoil hat brigade like you did with Magna Mundi/EU4, but you gotta sack up and make a 20th century game to bridge Vicky to Stellaris.

wukkar
Nov 27, 2009


PleasingFungus posted:

What is your reaction to this image?
What exactly does the 'colonial service' checkbox impact?

LaSalsaVerde
Mar 3, 2013



Xenophile sounds like a hoot

I wonder how differing ethics would impact a federation. I imagine the Celestial Empire of the Bugmen and Birds, Incorporated would have plenty to bitch at each other about

ThisIsNoZaku
Apr 22, 2013

Pew Pew Pew!


wukkar posted:

What exactly does the 'colonial service' checkbox impact?

I'm remembering this second hand but IIRC, you need to have a certain total tonnage of ships out patrolling whatever colonial holdings you have. That toggle makes the ship count for more weight.

Alikchi
Aug 18, 2010

Thumbs up I agree


ThisIsNoZaku posted:

I'm remembering this second hand but IIRC, you need to have a certain total tonnage of ships out patrolling whatever colonial holdings you have. That toggle makes the ship count for more weight.

Yes. In more general terms, I think it's supposed to represent being outfitted for long service away from the home country - tropicalisation, more storerooms, etc

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004


Oberleutnant posted:

Seriously PDX I know you don't want to set off the Paradox Plaza tinfoil hat brigade like you did with Magna Mundi/EU4, but you gotta sack up and make a 20th century game to bridge Vicky to Stellaris.

Make a 20th-21st century game to bridge Vicky to human extinction.

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009


wukkar posted:

What exactly does the 'colonial service' checkbox impact?

Adds around 2% to your weight, makes the ship count for 150% displacment when calculating foreign station tonnages. Rooms and stores for marines to keep order in the colonies.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011



Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Has anyone tried out the game Rouge State? Looks interesting enough. And has a catchy national anthem.

Oh poo poo I totally forgot about this and it's out! Yessss. Will report back.

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!

Grimey Drawer

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Has anyone tried out the game Rouge State? Looks interesting enough. And has a catchy national anthem.

I've got it and played a few hours, will post more thoughts tonight when not on my phone. It's really hard, some aspects of the game are hard to decipher, not sure if I don't "get" it yet or its poorly designed. Lot of potential though.

Pinback
Jul 22, 2012

I've seen things.
Things you people wouldn't believe.


Rogue State looks cool. It actually really strongly resembles a spec design I was thinking about a while ago, including the title, which is super weird. Hopefully it's still on sale tomorrow when I get paid.

Any more impressions?

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort



Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Has anyone tried out the game Rouge State? Looks interesting enough. And has a catchy national anthem.
Someone made a game about a colored state? Rouge is such an interesting color...

Hitlers Gay Secret
Mar 7, 2010

The Third Reich's under new -- and better -- management.

Hasn't word reached Camp Pendleton yet?


College Slice

Bort Bortles posted:

Someone made a game about a colored state? Rouge is such an interesting color...

loving autocorrect

Bel Monte
Oct 9, 2012


Bort Bortles posted:

Someone made a game about a colored state? Rouge is such an interesting color...

Burgundy has gained a casus belli on Rouge. Only one red may rule.

Chief Savage Man
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice


Pillbug

So if Sengoku was a buildup to CK2, and March of the Eagles was a buildup to EU4, is Stellaris really a buildup to V3?

Dreadnought designer?

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.



Chief Savage Man posted:

So if Sengoku was a buildup to CK2, and March of the Eagles was a buildup to EU4, is Stellaris really a buildup to V3?

Dreadnought designer?

HoI IV is buildup to Stellaris.

Apoffys
Sep 5, 2011


Frontspac posted:

Rogue State looks cool. It actually really strongly resembles a spec design I was thinking about a while ago, including the title, which is super weird. Hopefully it's still on sale tomorrow when I get paid.

Any more impressions?

I gave it a try just now. Frankly it seems a bit unpolished and lacking in gameplay. Maybe I'm just playing wrong, but I find myself just clicking "end turn" over and over again, hoping that I have enough cash to pay for whatever the next random event is going to cost me; there just isn't all that much to do on each turn. The game isn't very good at telling you what things are/do either, though maybe the info is in the manual somewhere. It could really use some mouseover-explanations though, I shouldn't have to dig through a manual to figure out what the resource icons represent for example.

I like the basic concept though, are there any other similar games out there people can recommend?

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

???


PleasingFungus posted:

What is your reaction to this image?



Pikestaff
Feb 17, 2013

Arienai!


Funky Valentine posted:

The best faction in Alpha Centauri were the pirates and that was because there was no real pseudo-philosophical "teenagers first Political Science" quotes behind it. Just some dudes on the water making bank.

The best faction in Alpha Centauri is The Cybernetic Consciousness Because what even are you doing if you don't want to hang out with Aki Zeta 5 and co.

Ms Adequate
Oct 29, 2011

Horned hellgod from another dimension and also trans


lol @ anyone who doesn't think SMAC is one of the greatest works of the 20th century, in any medium

Funky Valentine posted:

The best faction in Alpha Centauri were the pirates and that was because there was no real pseudo-philosophical "teenagers first Political Science" quotes behind it. Just some dudes on the water making bank.

lol @ babby's first dismissal of philosophy just because it's presented in an approachable manner

The Sharmat posted:

All the factions in Alpha Centauri were ruled by horrible ideologues that went way too far and that was the point.

lol @ anyone who doesn't understand this

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010






Lipstick Apathy

Mister Adequate posted:

lol @ anyone who doesn't think SMAC is one of the greatest works of the 20th century, in any medium

You might say it's the Citizen Kane of video games.

If the factions and the tech quotes were exaggerated, it was mostly because the game needed it to be. You don't have "oh these are Russians, so they must be good at xyz" to draw upon as a touchstone, so when they make the Militaristic faction, they have to make it really friggin' obvious that they're the militaristic ones.

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012

in my pope game,


Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Has anyone tried out the game Rogue State? Looks interesting enough. And has a catchy national anthem.

EDIT: fixed typo

friend/fellow poster "corn in the bible" was playing it earlier and seemed to quite like it. for whatever that's worth.

apparently it's made in adventure game studio, which is an accomplishment in its own right.

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.






smac was a pretty dreadful game tho

like the writing was cool and good but it was really really bad

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