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Confirming my role!! RIP varinn.
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Oct 4, 2016 20:35
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The Lord of Hats posted:This is pretty typical Day 1 Dongsbot, yeah. I don't feel particularly interested in the votes on him, because that's just what happens with dongsbot. I don't think it's a great indicator of scumminess one way or the other. Almost never this early.
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Oct 5, 2016 03:32
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Max posted:TBH demanding to see someone's PM is pretty lovely and close to bending the rules in a way that is actively unfun so I understand where Grandi is coming from. It's common enough for masons to do, but I do think it's scummy this PM exchange apparently only went one way.
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Oct 5, 2016 03:34
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Propaganda Machine posted:It wasn't a jokevote. The typical unconfirmed mason strategy is don't claim, talk to your buddy to get a feel for their suspicions and engagement levels, talk to them more to see if you have any common suspicions (or if they don't seem to have any good ones), and ideally breadcrumb your masonry so you can claim it later.
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Oct 5, 2016 03:38
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I think town Max knows Dongsbot's town game, and while it is annoying as hell it's a terrible reason to lynch dongs. This vote only works if you assume dongs is town from the start, and even then the entire reasoning behind it is "Max is too good of a player to risk leaving alive." ##vote Tobbs Gnawed
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Oct 5, 2016 03:44
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Would scum dongs immediately out an unconfirmed masonry and bully the other guy, getting himself to -3 in a couple hours? I've played many games with town dongs, and he pushes the boundaries of game mechanics and generally gets on people's nerves. I've seen one game with scum dongs, and he was quiet as a mouse and didn't really have voting pressure on him the entire game. This entire post is a meta argument. Scum players always try to play up their own meta. I definitely think dongs would be capable of such a gambit as scum, it's not like claiming an unconfirmed masonry is some unwinnable all-in move. There's a few reasons he might even want to, one of the biggest being it gives him an excuse not to engage with Grandicap and possibly risk exposing himself as scum to a town player. In other words, dongs isn't above suspicion here, so I think it is scummy you've basically just assumed it is obvious he's town and anyone who disagrees is either dumb or scum.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:34
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Oh god the posts, the many posts. My opinion hasn't changed, I still think Tobbs is scum, don't feel TMM for a vote at all.
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Oct 6, 2016 20:14
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I'm commuting home, will be around for deadline. Still want to vote out Tobbs Gnawed for some very sketchy simple logic in making his cases, I also agree with whoever said his posts are often padded and over-explained. Can someone sum up the case for voting out PMach? I can't recall seeing an explicit one besides Birdstrike calling out the conspicuous defense of AS. Is that the entire case?
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Oct 7, 2016 01:32
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Doesn't sound like much of a case.
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Oct 7, 2016 01:40
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Who is adahn?
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Oct 7, 2016 20:50
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got some chores tonight posted:he was already on the vote leader why would he switch Yeah, I liked my own case more than the one on PMach anyway.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:53
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Okay. I still don't really know who that is.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:53
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Somberbrero posted:tnl standing next to tobbs funeral pyre filing his nails: 'tobbs? tobbs? never heard of 'em. sounds like a nice guy, not like that piece of poo poo tobbs i was casing earlier.' Not even close to what I said.
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Oct 7, 2016 22:12
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Hello I'm here, didn't have internet access over the weekend. Also I was jailed last night.
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Oct 10, 2016 18:56
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A force picked me up in the air and I was floating, couldn't move a muscle.
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Oct 10, 2016 19:08
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The flavor was pretty clear about it. Described the air thickening around me, so thick I couldn't move at all.
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Oct 10, 2016 19:12
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Sorry, I haven't had any time to go over this game, should have a good break in an hour or two.
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Oct 11, 2016 18:09
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Boss looking over my shoulder all day. My gut instincts tell me Birdstrike is town, Grandi is town, dongs probably town, and everyone else I'm unsure about.
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Oct 11, 2016 22:58
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I have no idea who to vote for.
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Oct 12, 2016 01:23
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##vote Lord of Hats I'm good with voting AS too.
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Oct 12, 2016 02:04
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Should have previewed. ##unvote ##vote AS
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Oct 12, 2016 02:04
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I still think Birdstrike and Grandi are town and it would take a strong case for me to want to vote either of them. Hats' claim is suspicious, not sure why a setup with a doc and a bodyguard needs another doctor. I don't have a strong read on anyone else, maybe some gut feelings on AR. I'll see if I can find some time to read things over tonight, work has been pretty brutal lately.
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Oct 13, 2016 21:20
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Unless we have 2 scum and an SK or three scum still alive it probably isn't lylo.Jonathan Fisk posted:If I was scum or sk I'd have won by now How do you figure that?
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Oct 14, 2016 00:46
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I'm back home. I did not realize the deadline was so soon. Gonna hammer AR if there are no objections.
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Oct 14, 2016 02:52
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##vote AR 
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Oct 14, 2016 03:05
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Yeah I agree. ##vote Taste
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Oct 14, 2016 22:34
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Accidentally jailing the guy we were using an unstoppable kill on: Play Of The Game.
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Oct 15, 2016 05:16
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I'm not especially proud of this win but hey, I'll take what I can get! Was very busy the last few weeks and it's hard to put in a good Mafia performance after twelve hour work days. This was a game where night action wise everything went perfectly for us. If a lot of little things had gone differently it would be very different. If one of the doctors had gotten a successful protection, if one of the doctors had claimed they failed to protect one of Max's victims, if anyone had noticed that Max appeared to be "burned out by magic" after two nights of people burning to death, if anyone had assumed or been worried about a four-scum team, if anyone had targeted me on night 2, or if anyone had seriously questioned why the scum jailer was killing someone, if town had actually gotten the votes together to vote me day 2... any of these could have swung the game against us so we got very lucky that they didn't happen. As town it's really important to have due diligence and play to the worst case scenario. It's a mistake to confirm anyone as town without a really iron reason to do so and even then you should always be skeptical. Instead people made big assumptions about the setup and then used those assumptions to make bigger assumptions about what scum would and wouldn't do. I can't blame anyone for thinking there was a serial killer considering all the kills but that assumption should have been put to question when the two kills stopped. And instead it was dismissed as "scum would play it safe and jail the SK instead of killing them." I was flat worried that by jailing Hats and killing Bird we would be tipping our hand by showing the "scum" and "SK" were working together to lock down and take out the doctor, but nobody stopped to ask why a hypothetical SK would have killed Birdstrike who was basically cleared of being the jailer. I'll say this too: I thought I was playing horribly and my "claim I jailed myself" gambit was my last throw of the dice before I got voted out on day 3. The utter strength of my clear was astounding, it let me get away with blatantly lurking. I almost never mentioned my buddies even when they were the subject of posts I was quoting, I don't think I ever gave a single reason for my suspicions. I said several times I had no grasp on what was happening in the game. On day 3 in a tied vote situation I voted Hats over scum AS and had to immediately switch back to maintain my "I'll vote for anybody" position. Hell, I was unclaimed all game, nobody every bothered to ask me what role I might have been blocked with. So I was ~very~ surprised that on a lylo day Hats didn't even wait for me to post before putting someone else at -1. Overall I had a good time this game, even if I didn't put on much of a show here. The setup was great and I really liked my role of jailer/watcher, it's a great variant on a standard Mafia role. Very difficult to claim since my flavor was so obviously scummy that I never would have been able to claim jailer, and claiming watcher would have been a challenge by virtue of the people I watched getting jailed. The idea of scum getting kills past a bunch of doctors and bodyguards is a cool one, I felt the two factions were really balanced overall.
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Oct 15, 2016 05:48
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got some chores tonight posted:i thought the mason stuff was a good twist im not really sure what the other aspect of game design ppl are commenting yet cuz im still tilting at towns play Max had two unblockable kills he could use in addition to our regular kill. So he was responsible for both fire deaths and then his own death on night 2.
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Oct 15, 2016 05:51
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Propaganda Machine posted:Actually I guess this is a post-mortem question for Ecco since I still don't understand it. The first time Max used his unblockable kill, he lost godfather status. The second time he used it, he died.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:13
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Propaganda Machine posted:Ah, poo poo. Tricky. Why not? It's a second kill that nobody can stop. Plus after the way day 1 went there was a fair chance Max was up for vote anyway, and unstoppable kills don't do anything if you're dead.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:19
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Propaganda Machine posted:Dumb question:
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Oct 15, 2016 06:23
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Propaganda Machine posted:Oh right. It's not an insane cop. I would think yes, the cop would get results as if the godfather were a town player, so they would get a SCUM result.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:26
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Somberbrero posted:i think it creates a great effect when it succeeds, like it did here, but it does mean the setup can be more easily broken if that player is eliminated early. to a lesser extent i might argue that it diminishes the agency of the scumteam individually but i feel like that's not really how we play mafia. The issue with spreading out power evenly among the scum team is you create a game where the scum team is balanced like an engine and falls apart when you lose one of its components. For example any team with a godfather, roleblocker and rolecop is permanently out of a night action no matter who they lose, since a dead godfather forces one of the other two players to forfeit their action. Our team would have been hurt if Max had gotten voted out day 1, but we would have still had my jail ability and still had a nightkill. Similarly we may have been in trouble if I had been voted out on night 2, but we still would have had one of Max's unblockable kills to take out a key protected player if needed.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:33
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TMMadman posted:Yeah, I think if AS or Pmom has Max's role, then PMom goes ahead and votes Max on D1. Maybe Max still doesn't get lynched, but at least PMom doesn't look nearly as scummy. My entire case on Tobbs Gnawed was that he was pushing Max for being a good player, a subtle defense of Max that I got away with because I never outright talked about Max or stated his name.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:36
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Busing in general is a bad strategy.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:47
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Propaganda Machine posted:Even to contribute new ideas to a wave of momentum? I mean, if you can prevent your buddy's lynch in any way possible you absolutely should. I had a great excuse for not voting or looking at Max on day 1: I was actively going after the chief guy who was casing him. That could have come back to bite me in the rear end, but by taking a position where I clearly wasn't going to vote Max I made that vote a little less possible. The scant credit you get for voting for your scumbuddy is almost never worth having lylo come a day later with one less person on your team to influence it. People only bus because it's really really easy to call someone scum when you already know they are scum, it's just a lazy way of going after town cred.
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Propaganda Machine posted:Well, sure, but this is why bussing becomes a thing, and that's what TNL just said was stupid. With one shot abilities you are always weighing their potential usefulness later vs their practical usefulness now. Town vigilantes have this dilemma too: do they sit on their kill to get the greatest value out of it or do they use it early before the Mafia nightkills them? There's no universal answer so it just really depends on how likely you think you'll be able to use those abilities later. I can't speak for Max's decision, I had no internet access until that Monday morning and basically sent in my action blind. But I'll say that as scum you usually have a pretty good sense of who has it in for you and where the town momentum is. I definitely believed I was going to get voted out day 3 and I wouldn't be too surprised if Max felt similarly. I should add that certain one-shot abilities are game-winning if you can save them for the right time, like lylo. Max's ability was not one of them, because even though he gave us an extra kill he also died on the second one.
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