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CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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The OP owns but this...

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I officially declare Burgerchat to be Cool and Good.

...is sheer

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CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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peter gabriel posted:

I seem to see this Chris fella doing that a lot with his arms, why does he do that?

To hypnotize the everfaithful into pledging more. Like snake charmers do.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Bedshaped posted:

After CIG collapses and Chris Roberts flees to Argentina I want a full documentary; interviews with disgruntled staff, recreations based on actual events and a voiceover by Warner Herzog.

He can just copypasta this, when he gets around to the subject of Dickwulf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw1cdRew-Zg

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Raskolnikov posted:

I remembered that I had a shared imgur with my friend and well, guess what is on it? Some pics!



edit: I will post more in two weeks

On the one hand I am sighing internally, saying to myself: "Oh you! Why'd ya have to turn out to be such a goon in the end still and not just leave it behind you?"

But on the other hand, if the pics are there...why not spread 'em around at this point?

In conclusion, Ras, as always you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plz-bhcHryc

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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LCL-Dead posted:

I have all of those things. My computer is seriously the last thing I put money into when times like this come around. The only reason I've got a relevant GPU installed is because my dad likes to throw his guilt money at me from time to time when I harass him about seeing his grand daughters. I seriously don't know what to do with this $250 other than to leave it sitting in the bank until needed... but that feels wrong.

Guess I'll start combing through the wife's amazon wish list or something.

Buying something nice for your wife (even if she burns through money like an incinerator) is a hundred times better than having this cash 'invested' in this.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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alphabettitouretti posted:

What if my wife burns through money like Chris Roberts on a coke bender after a ship sale?

Same as any doomed relationship (business or otherwise). Sever.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

If Star Marine isn't released today then CIG will have hit exactly one announced date in the history of the project; last month's release of the Social module.

I dunno, I'd let them off on the initial hangar module release too. That was only like 1 or 2 days. Nothing like the 'two weeks' nowadays.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Agrajag posted:

I smile every time I realize some true believer was upset enough to buy me this AV/title for making GBS threads all over SC and the ridiculous sales pitch.

And me this one and another one before it for making GBS threads over

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Innerguard posted:

I made bad choices and spent over $1300 on this, you guys think it is worth waiting until after CitizenCon to see if they actually make some visible progress of any worth or just straight up request a full refund now?

If CitizenCon goes poorly, it'll be harder to get a refund after it, and if it goes well it still won't change the fact that you won't get a PU (maybe SQ42 if we all get extremely lucky and Erin Roberts 's his brother from command).

So go for it now rather than later, I'd say.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Raskolnikov posted:

Still no refund

I deserve this

How offensive was your e-mail to them?

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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A Neurotic Jew posted:

yea plus he buys them pizza I wouldn't an alienate some guy who bought me pizza either.

Especially not if I happen to be

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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It's not your fault /Good Will Hunting

Just be sure to resend it after a week or half a week. And keep resending it.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Potato Salad posted:

But in all seriousness, what did you send? So far, it seems you're the only one who has been ignored.

Well, technically I didn't get a reply yet either, but I sent mine like yesterday after getting a quick initial reply, due to having to provide a phone number for my credit card in person, and not certain if that won't affect incoming funds too.

I get the sense Sandi was handling a lot of the poo poo this past weekend...but when the 5 working weekdays roll by, all responses shut the hell down again.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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And they officially went on the record in that thread I started this summer, I think, saying: "We've always been okay with refunds, just never to put it officially on our front page (since that might actually induce sobriety in some backers)." So by all means, keep sending refund requests over and over until you get that money back.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Got my refund actioned by CIG Kraiklyn! Pretty solid response time of 1 day after confirmation on my end, according to him should take 5-10 days to process so I guess we'll see after that and if it doesn't, bug them about it more. Either way, will post an update about it if and when it gets here.

I think they're feeling a bit flush now, with spergs buying their new 900$ fake dreamboat, so by all means - do keep pestering them about your refunds now, because now is the time and not later, when the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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In case anyone is wondering what I wrote (to perhaps write a better refund letter themselves and get a faster response time instead of waiting for days, I dunno, maybe it'll help) here's the 'what reason do you have' part I wrote to them. So if anyone wants to borrow elements from it, or whatever, to still let CIG know they're doing poorly while still getting their money back without being a totally rude person about it, here it is if anyone actually cares:

quote:

Yes, a full refund of any assets that remain on my account would be what I am after, and the closing of my account afterwards.

As for which events, I could point out to a number of issues involving community management, go into more specifics regarding that involving sexual harrasment that I have personally witnessed made by community members, which are still actively given the spotlight by CIG and shown up as good examples, or confirmed numbers and statistics that just point towards how it's become impossible for me to see how a Star Citizen Persistent Universe is financially possible in the long term (maybe Squadron 42 will be released, to which I say good luck, but it is not the primary reason I pledged in the first place).

Ultimately, for me, though, it is the fact that back in 2013 the hangar module was released more or less on schedule and much as advertised, hence back then I felt comfortable pledging. Then the dogfighting module was not only delayed, but took until the very end of 2014 to actually become regularly feasible for multiplayer (the main selling point for me), and the FPS multiplayer, while originally looking good at PAX AUS, has still not been released. Today was supposed to be the day of its release (after at least 3 previous delays and rescheduled release dates)...and as it is turning into evening tonight, I doubt I shall see it.

So while all of the things mentioned in the first paragraph are minuses, ultimately the reason for me asking for a refund is that I can't trust a single thing CIG announces anymore, be it officially or unofficially. I used to, back in 2013. Then by 2014 it narrowed down to not trusting the community team all that much, but still being able to trust that CIG will be able to release a game at the end of the long wait. And this year, I can't even trust that anymore.

Hence, I respectfully ask for my full refund, ask for my account over there to be ended and wish you good fortune in your future.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Agrajag posted:

You know for most reputable companies the only reason needed is you want a refund and you don't need to write a loving essay to justify your demand. Which really makes this all so much more hilarious that you have to do all of this in order to get a chance to beg for a refund.

Yea, I know that. But CIG is not a professional-run company, so it stands to reason that you deffo have to write a mini-essay so that it penetrates their thick skulls as to why anyone could *possibly* want a refund from the eminent entity that is Christ Roberts.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Truga posted:

It's open development! They might take a hint!

The 'open' part only refers to a one-way street. From Christ Roberts rear end to his faithful followers mouths.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Ahdinko posted:

I asked for a refund, they asked why, I literally wrote word for word "I don't think this game is coming out so I would like all of my purchases refunded", and about 4 days later I have the money in my paypal. It was even that same krakilyn that CrazyLoon mentioned. You don't need to make a big song and dance out of it.

Yea, could be we both just got lucky to get Krakilyn - Sandi, on the other hand, very much so does want your 'feedback' on things and, honestly, given the rep she's building for herself it's hilarious that she asked for it over the weekend in my case. The implied threat of: "Be nice to Christo Roberto's space goddess with your feedback, or you might not get your money back" is palpable then and it feels like 2:27 of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWSwWnsXKYI

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Sedisp posted:

Maybe it's a cultural problem. Germans don't view actual sexual harassment as negatively as googling someone's name.

Or maybe it's just not a problem, until it happens to you or someone you know. I mean, I'm from a filthy socialist EU country and I deffo wouldn't classify dickpics over the internet as a term upon which one could legally prosecute. But having witnessed the whole thing with Dickwulf from start to finish (and knowing of another case before it, where he did it for sure), it is definitely a disgustoid thing to do that you absolutely should get branded and mocked over the internet for.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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drat Dirty Ape posted:

Can someone give me (or link me to) some sort of summary about what happened? I want to know what the angry german is defending.

See this post:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...2#post450841421

A longer explanation was somewhere in the previous SC thread, which I CBA to find. Maybe there'll be more juicy poo poo about this, maybe not.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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nvm

CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at Oct 1, 2015 around 15:51

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Tippis posted:

I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse…

One thing's for sure - it makes Derek Smart the TRIPLE perfect person to be their nemesis, because not even CR's arrogance can match his lol.

(the double perfect reason is because he's a massive hypocrite too).

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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CLAM DOWN posted:

oh my god, the stuff about Sandi in that article...

Ahahahahahahahah oh man...seriously...holy poo poo...

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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peter gabriel posted:

You know if that article is true it should be funny but honestly I am just a bit disgusted

I imagine the only reason, why I'm laughing moreso than just dry-heaving right now, is because of all the time I've acclimated to it subconsciously via the brown sea. So it's less of a problem for me to just switch to my black comedy mode, but yea...it's deffo not unnatural a reaction for anyone uninitiated to all this to be disgusted, I'd say.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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I was there when I saw you guys post it in the brown sea. I still cri everytiem.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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AP posted:

I'm sure top Hollywood talent is going to be fine with having their imdb page reflect their work with a racist company.

"Let's hire the biggest star actors for this gig. Except Halle Berry. Don't want a black girl."

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Peroxide Cowboy posted:

Kraiklyn. That was the little stinkyhole that took great delight denying my refund back in July. Funny thing is I didn't even see his email until after I got my approval via a different staff member, having resubmit my ticket and processing all my communications through their forums. Kraiklyn if you are reading this get hosed.

Hahahah...yeah well, at least he's a casual stinkyhole and knows to change with the coming tides and actually be helpful nowadays, apparently. Sandi on the other hand doesn't stand the gently caress down for some e-anonymous plebs, that only fund her space empire as is her right! She's a strong, independent...well poo poo, can't even bring myself to call her a womyn by this point, since that'd be an insult to them.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Shala posted:

What? Is it my birthday?! Holy poo poo.

This is my current internal state of mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j9x_vPefn8

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Madcosby posted:

Chris' response is to call the Escapist another D Smart mouth, then to try to diminish D Smart, then try to call the escapist author a gamergater (I dont know what that means)

It is so hilariously dumb to call any escapist author a gamergater. They were so completely on the SJW side of things that it just shows how little CR knows.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Raskolnikov posted:

Amazing, this is the best. So it begins.

Look at my feet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j9x_vPefn8

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Finncognito posted:

She and a few other gamergaters were hired after Escapist sacked the people friendly towards the "SJW" side.

What, really? I mean, granted I haven't read them or kept up with their poo poo for like 3 years now, but lol. They just can't seem to win, can they? Well, unless it's Chris Roberts trying to disparage them.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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peter gabriel posted:

It's even on the launcher





This right here? Is such a monumental fuckup on the part of CIG. I mean, most of the average 35$ spent joes probably didn't even know about all this horseshit going down...

...but now with this loving thing on their launcher, as they boot up the modules...prepare for the whirlwind...

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Peroxide Cowboy posted:

lol they are closing each thread that mentions the response

They link that poo poo on their game launcher, for everyone (even the non-forum people) to see,...and yet they don't want people to talk about it?

I love how hosed up CIG is by this point. I'm getting my refund and just...I love it.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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BexGu posted:

You can't really blame the journalists going after this. This is an amazing story of the biggest crowded funded game in history blowing up and how all the money was wasted because of one mans pride.

And also one WOMAN's pride you sexist obvious Sandi hater, you!

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Irrational Man posted:

Anyone else feel bad for Sandi? I mean all she really probably wants is to be a c-tier actor on some daytime tv show, who hobnobs with good looking people and acts out dramas revolving around everyday life. Instead she's got to pretend to like spaceships and put up with fat nerds non stop. As it is, no one appreciates her sacrifice anyway and just shits on her for answering emails or whatever. Of course, in this environment, just being a normal girl is going to make you a huge target. I hope she's getting a lot of money because honestly she's probably the hardest working nazi harpy of the bunch.

FTFY.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Irrational Man posted:

all this Sandi hate makes me think the gamergate connection is not as tenuous as it sounds

Read this:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...-of-the-Company

And proceed to feel stupid.

And to preempt any bullshit denial from you, yes - it's so very likely that 7-9 people, all confirmed to be different persons, all got together and made all of that up and that a journo site (even if a gaming one) thought it solid enough to run it as such.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Truga posted:

lol if you think glass door and derek smart aren't their source. Just lol

The only way I can think of Derek Smart being 'their source' is if he directed all the ex-employees crying to him to go to The Escapist, since they've expressed interest in running a story.

I mean...I know we're talking about gaming journo sites here that are the bottom rung, but in the end even they'd find it hard to justify running a story like this if they weren't sure they were talking to 7-9 people who definitely once worked at CIG.

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CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

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Raskolnikov posted:

I hope I get a refund, I am such a loving idiot. I just like spaceship games



I'll contact you over Steam when my own refund comes through, if yours never does.

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