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Christ almighty. Sometimes I feel like this thread is too negative and it's all just confirmation bias and there's no way the game is heading for as big a disaster as we think. Then I remember they still haven't released their manshoot mode and here they are offering an entirely new game mode for space farming, attached to a $900 do-anything slab of pixels that will never, ever be released as described. For the record that's: Trading, Mining, Bounty Hunting, Exploring, Science, Piracy, Farming, Medical, Crafting, Salvaging, Refueling, Data Running, Hacking, and VIP transport game modes that have all now been promised, sold, and not in any way released. I think I've reached stage 4: depression. Sarsapariller fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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CIG please consider the following for your next ill-conceived game mechanic on which to base a $1000 sale: Door-to-door Avon Sales Ship Illegal Pirate Radio Ship Schwann's Ice Cream Ship (Can be a pocket carrier) Flying Bistro (Fine Dining Luxury Ship variant, complete with wait staff mini game!) Game Development Studio Ship (Extra escape pods for studio execs)
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Sep 30, 2015 05:14
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LCL-Dead posted:I was reading a comparison of the Rift/Vive over on True Reviews that left me torn. Vive is going to be the more expensive of the three options dropping in the next 5-6 months by HTC's own admission. Rift feels/looks more complete, more like a finished product but I think the Vive had higher resolution and the partnership with Valve and some of those other companies is pretty appealing. I'm not buying any of them until they get past this whole "Click and teleport your view and play area" movement method. It seems to be trending right now but it feels super awkward to me. Edit: video of what I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVQ49XrdpJo Sarsapariller fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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Sep 30, 2015 16:21
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Madcosby posted:If it was obvious no one would buy ships Thank you for bringing this much-needed fresh perspective to the thread, friend.
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Sep 30, 2015 16:32
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Madcosby posted:why dont you guys derail with a forced conversation about hamburgers so as not to address the actual concerns again Continue making accusations based on vague misreadings of previous threads, not really knowing who said what or when. It's great. You're trolling really well. I'm very stirred up.
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Sep 30, 2015 16:36
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KakerMix posted:They're right though, why stay in this thing as it is exceedingly obvious that the only thing left in star citizen is the drama that comes out of it. Roberts is a hack that can't make movies but still keeps trying, Sandi is a hack that wants to be an actor that can't act yet keeps trying, and Ben is a large man that can't kiss Roberts yet keeps trying. They just sold a 900 dollar picture of a ship. Who's staying in though? Like, other than Octopode, is there a single person in this thread who is not rapidly extracting as much cash as possible from this thing?
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Sep 30, 2015 16:41
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Control Volume posted:Ok when did removing posts at all. I don't believe DS will ever post to entice fights and subjective, often than not, we question him respectfully or downvote if we respond with personal insults or downvote if we respond with personal insults or not a serious discussions. One could say but we question him respectfully or not a serious discussions. One could say but we wish not the intention to start fights and drama. He purposely setup bait post anything fact or not the intention to entice fights and drama. He purposely setup bait post anything fact or downvote if we wish not the intention to entice fights and fights. Ok when did removing posts at all. I don't believe DS will ever post anything fact or others deterring posts are credible criticism by default. DS's posts are credible criticism by default. DS's posts has always been one sided and confirm bias. How anyone can think DS's posts at all. I don't believe DS will ever post to entice fights and fights. Ok when did removing posts has always been one sided and drama. He purposely setup bait post anything fact or others deterring posts has always been one sided. Did I just have a stroke?
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Sep 30, 2015 18:45
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It's like a markov bot that keeps triggering recursive loops.
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Sep 30, 2015 18:47
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RubberJohnny posted:I made a list of gameplay that isn't any further than a written post by a (usually non-technical) member of staff playing game designer like Mining, Ship Skins, Crew stations other than pilot/gunner (comms, engineer, fire suppression teams, torpedo loader, flight deck crew)
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Sep 30, 2015 19:04
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RubberJohnny posted:I made a list of gameplay that isn't any further than a written post by a (usually non-technical) member of staff playing game designer like Oh also like four alien races complete with designed languages, can't forget that one Also "VIP Escort" or whatever the gently caress it was they used to sell the Phoenix and 890 Jump
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Sep 30, 2015 19:10
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Actually here: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/2e2vk5/keeping_em_honest_take_ii_a_breakdown_of_claims/ That's a pretty good breakdown of stuff that's been promised. This game is never coming out.
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Sep 30, 2015 19:13
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HKS posted:Both this list and RubberJohnny's list are missing pets(unless they pulled that promise). Personally the pets stretch goal was when I knew the game will never come out. All those 10FTC links really emphasize that Chris just says stuff and then immediately forgets it. Run your own business! Shuttles for big ships down to planets! Beam weapons for large ships! Changeable ship gravity! Ancestral trees for your characters! Organization taxes! Cyborg limbs!
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Sep 30, 2015 19:35
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Mister Adequate posted:FTL was very good and delivered everything I wanted. Xenonauts was great. Grim Dawn is taking a lot longer than initially planned, but is still actually being made and regularly updated, and it's loving great. I'm really looking forward to the release of The Mandate, a.k.a. tzarist russia flavored Homeworld, with added boarding and crew management. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-9DJycoBrg
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Sep 30, 2015 21:51
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Glassdoor posted:Sandi and Chairman Roberts were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me
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Sep 30, 2015 22:11
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Okay I know we all like to point and laugh at Derek Smart and mostly I stay out of that because mocking the mentally ill doesn't really sit right with me. But seriously, what is this BS about "Collective Surrender?" Like, he keeps offering it as though there were some kind of unified front against him instead of a bunch of people who are too invested in a video game. What would collective surrender even look like? What possible action could they take that would satisfy his need for self-aggrandizement? It's like smacking your dog and yelling "I GAVE YOU A loving CHANCE WHY DID YOU poo poo ON THE RUG AGAIN." It's a dog, it can't understand you! In this metaphor, the rug is Star Citizen.
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Oct 1, 2015 00:28
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Shala posted:Basically I see DSmizzle as having the same mentality one of those people who were wayyyyyyyy to invested in one side of GamerGate or the other. They both acted like they were talking to anyone in particular, rather than screaming into the void of the internet, and assumed they had some army at their behest. That is a good point and goes some way towards explaining the behavior.
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Oct 1, 2015 00:36
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Gerbil_Pen posted:A DS mention with that link... Good luck anyone who still needs a refund and can be traced from SA to RSI. Yeah people discussing the deets of their refund processes before they've got cash in hand seems like a bad idea. Of course that goes for any transaction.
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Oct 1, 2015 04:19
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Rastor posted:
Holy poo poo, talk about games that I was certain were never coming out. I remember when this was still a mod for Homeworld.
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Oct 1, 2015 16:20
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Sandi posted:It was also alleged that Roberts' wife and Cloud Imperium Games Vice President of Marketing Sandi Gardiner enforced discriminatory hiring practices. CS1 reported that they were instructed to, first, check the education field on a prospective employee's resume. If too much time had passed, Gardiner reportedly informed people not to hire them, because "they may be over 40, which makes them a protected class and harder to fire." It was also claimed that Gardiner used race as a determining factor in selecting employees, allegedly once saying "We aren't hiring her. We aren't hiring a black girl." Well drat I thought for sure that part of the Glassdoor reviews was fake because nobody is going to open themselves up to lawsuits like that. Chris, you need to fire that woman or prepare to spend the next two years losing court cases.
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Oct 1, 2015 17:25
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The Article posted:CS7 indicated that Cloud Imperium Games Montreal entered into a joint venture partnership with Turbulent to continue to develop and sell the crowdfunding platform that was built for Star Citizen to other companies - and that backer money was being used for this project. HEAP C3MS is described as "the first platform to combine content, community, and commerce within one integrated platform," and was used for the design of the RSI website. Oh good we crowdfunded a crowdfunding engine that is now being sold.
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Oct 1, 2015 17:32
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"CMDR_DrDeath" posted:I suspect they are attempting to impact Endeavor sales. Alysianah posted:Or affronted that no matter the BS they post CIG still has the ability to sell concept ships. Think they're all butt hurt. but fuk 'em, I dropped $1K on Endeavor yesterday (Master Set + additional Bio pod) You sure showed them! You sure showed those anonymous whistleblowers who are trying to save your stupid rear end some money!
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Oct 1, 2015 18:03
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A Neurotic Jew posted:The dam has burst. Holy poo poo. Remember when we were like "there's no way that one glass door review is true". It turns out Sandi is a loving monster. So much moreso than I would have imagined. Yeah I'm eating some crow on that one.
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Oct 1, 2015 18:16
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Star Citizen: There Is Always More And It Is Always Worse
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Oct 1, 2015 18:39
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3/4ths of the way through CR's response and he still hasn't refuted any of the provable allegations, like them funding Turbulent's project. Edit: Oh wait here it is. "The Chairman posted:CR: The opposite is true. CIG benefited from pre-existing software that Turbulent had developed. Our JV with them allowed us access to cheaper rates and bound an important part of Star Citizen closer to CIG, which are both beneficial to CIG and the backers. Per our agreement Turbulent is of course free to offer their technology to other customers. So they had a crowdfunding platform sitting around?
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Oct 1, 2015 18:42
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So let's look at the serious allegations and their actual status after this latest exchange: They fired a bunch of people, others quit (Confirmed) People were fired under heated circumstances (Confirmed. Also note- pretty much anyone fired in the last few weeks was fairly big-name, and there are a lot of corroboraters on that story- unlikely that they were all disgruntled low level schlubs) Sandi is a HR nightmare, screams at people, illegal hiring practices. (Call it confirmed- corroborated from at least 3 angles now) Sandi is Chris Roberts' Wife (Confirmedx3) They used backer money for: Private homes/cars (Denied, absent any proof, call it false) Making private movies (Confirmed, they at least hosted them at the offices, potentially significantly more) Developing unrelated "Crowd Funding" tech (Confirmed, they were in some way involved) Hiring big-name actors to enact movie-maker fantasies (Confirmed- technically, it was a stretch goal) They only have 8 mill in the bank (Not confirmed but apparently a widespread internal rumor) CIG has yet to file some kind of important budget documents in the UK (Confirmed) Austin office will be closing (Denied. However, many have been let go.) Sarsapariller fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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Oct 1, 2015 18:58
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Nalin posted:Turbulent most likely had a CMS/storefront software package that CIG licensed very cheaply on the condition that any customizations that Turbulent made for CIG could be integrated back into the core product. Turbulent posted:“We thank Cloud Imperium Games for taking a risk with us and for contributing conceptually and commercially to making HEAP C3MS fantastic for content monetization,” said Marc Beaudet, CEO of Turbulent.
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Oct 1, 2015 19:08
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Irrational Man posted:alleged racist I applaud your attempt at neutrality (seriously). But, what would you accept as proof, if multiple matching independent statements from more than 5 people (presumably interviewed separately, by email) aren't enough? It is a fact that they buried any mention of her and Chris being married. It's also a fact that they hosted unrelated theater readings at their offices specifically for her. It's a fact that something happened the day after Derek Smart leaked the Jennison letter, and four or five people were immediately fired or quit- and the person leaking the info to DS also added the same kind of description as was seen in the article, of her shouting profanities and accusing people of being traitors. Is she going to have to come to your house and poo poo on your porch? Like, what is the standard of evidence you will accept?
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Oct 1, 2015 19:33
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Irrational Man posted:honestly the gaming press/industry has such a poor history with women, at this point I won't accept anything on word alone from those sources. It would have to come from an impartial party Who counts as impartial, though? Who is so far beyond reproach that they could tell you Sandi is an awful person, and you would believe that they meant it? I note that you aren't defending Roberts against the accusations made in the article- are they more credible to you? Doesn't that seem like a strange position to hold, where allegations for one gender require a higher standard of evidence than the other?
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Oct 1, 2015 19:43
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Irrational Man posted:Former employees are always temping to listen to because presumably they have the "inside-track" but really most former employees I've met are just shitbags mumbling about how they got screwed over. Does it mean they can't be right? No. But they're incredibly suspect as the only link to the truth. I mean if unanonymous reports from people higher up on the food chain who weren't fired came out corroborating this kind of thing I would accept that. I agree with you, former employees are a very weak evidence if that was all it was. But their assertions have been backed up over and over again- there's photo evidence that she used the office for her theater project. There's now confirmation from Chris himself that they are married, which (indirectly) confirms that they've been trying to suppress it all this time. There's evidence that multiple people literally walked out on the 25th. DS said she'd had a screaming fit. The next day she was on a livestream and her voice was wrecked, they claimed it was from a cold. Then on top of all of that you've got people making the claim that she is an HR disaster. One data point is circumstantial. Dozens of data points, all pointing in the same direction? I'm not saying "You're a fool if you don't believe it." It's certainly not direct proof in the form of a voice recording or something. But I'd be willing to place 80% probability on her being an awful human being, at least. More than enough for forum mockery purposes.
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Oct 1, 2015 19:52
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Truga posted:So did CR actually refute any claims there? Or are we still in the Baghdad Bob phase? He said that they licensed the Turbulent software but did not invest in it for sale, which conflicts with Turbulent's own site and the article. He said that he didn't spend any backer cash on cars/mansions. Beyond that, mostly a wash.
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Oct 1, 2015 20:05
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Iron Tusk posted:Remember that the person that you sell them to can just turn around and do a charge back. While true, I've sold over $2k in ships through the grey market in the last two years and this has never happened to me.
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Oct 1, 2015 21:19
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EdEddnEddy posted:While I have a few ships to unload to pretty much break even, I feel I want to see what may be in store at CitizenCon before making any rush decisions. Consider this- if you do unload your ships and the game is good, you can always buy back in because there's no way they are going to stop selling ships.
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Oct 1, 2015 21:21
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The suicide aspect and any speculation/enthusiasm towards same is really creepy. It's a video game, y'all.
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Oct 1, 2015 21:36
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:It's not a video game. It's a cult. While true, this cult's version of suicide is apparently "Vindictive pledging:" https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n588f/the_only_thing_i_have_to_tell_to_all_the/  gently caress you! *Spends 1,250 dollars*
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Oct 1, 2015 21:48
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shrach posted:Erin has 70% of the shares. Chris has 15%. This company has presumably taken backer money via the other Roberts companies though and there is a very curious charge of a deposit from NatWest bank with Foundry 42 Ltd. It appears that the company put aside company money in a company bank account and agreed not to touch it. This has served as a deposit for further borrowing. This isn't a typical way you borrow money. Well that's interesting. Is there any way to substantiate this further or is this as much as we're going to get?
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Positive employee testimonials: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n59ft/working_at_cig_from_a_cig_employee/ https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5678014/#Comment_5678014 https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/287242/a-cig-employee-s-thoughts/p1 The dissonance is pretty heavy- it's obvious one group is lying. The question is, which one? On the one hand, recently fired employees might be disgruntled. On the other, currently employed people probably want to keep their jobs.
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Oct 1, 2015 22:22
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Dohaeris posted:But offers no proof, of course. I asked on reddit and was told CHRIS ROBERTS HAS PROOF AND THE ESCAPIST LIES. Well, one side is legally in trouble if they are publishing articles with claims of that magnitude and nothing to back them up.
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bawbaw posted:That's not how it works. Just because there's no cracks in either side's message doesn't mean both sides aren't full of poo poo. That is also a distinct possibility.
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Eldrake posted:[Reminder] The night is always darkest before the dawn. Take heart. felixvale posted:I'm sorry CIG... crazyprsn posted:Open letter to Chris and the rest of the team at CIG :notacult notacult notacult:
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