Star Citizen: Fear, Uncertainty, and Debt

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Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

In filling out my refund request just now I discovered a metal mousepad I'd ordered two years back that never arrived and instantly disappeared from my hangar. Turns out this was a regular thing, several other people commented on it.

i must have been so thoroughly in the grip of space pixels fever that I forgot about it. we'll see if they try to give me poo poo.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2015 18:49

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 11:12

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

i'm guessing the queue for refunds has gotten a lot longer over the past hour.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2015 19:34

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

hey if, for whatever unbelievable reason, we have an insider here that works at the Santa Monica office that's been lurking here

i think we'd all appreciate it if you could drop some sort of anonymous note when Ben starts crying.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2015 20:04

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Skoll posted:

Possibly a Reddit assassin got to him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7xpZD0klnM

he was training his whole life for this.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 17:11

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

MeLKoR posted:

Once again Derek Smart fails us. Why should we trust what someone that can't keep a release date says?

well maybe he meant noon PST and typod

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 17:30

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Amun Khonsu posted:

A concept law suit?

95mil stretch goal they sue everyone ever who said anything bad about the game, as well as the women that didn't sleep with their concierge level backers

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 17:38

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

SirTagz posted:

I know I am the minority here but to me CR response read really genuine. He really believed what he wrote and the emotion is raw there.

yeah. He believed that.

And that's the scary part that has the rest of us jumping ship.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 17:51

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

jestest posted:

this thread was better when it was all haiku

Derek late again
the stars will come crashing down
after legal's walk

a refund, i ask
your game will never happen
ben is a roadblock

the escapist, forbes
did they kill your confidence?
no, your late poo poo did

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 17:59

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

toxic forums, see
white men weep for their lost ships
only pixels, yo

hungry children cry
empty bellies swell in pain
daddy has Idris

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 18:03

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

game is in alpha
one year after the launch date
ITS NOT SCOPE CREEP GUYS

no caterpillar
aborted, gently caress all its fans
mighty dongship lost

spittle flies in rage
nonbelievers put to death
the cult rages on

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 18:14

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

spacetoaster posted:

Looks like Sandi is sucking the life force directly out of them.

nutted but she still suckin

# ¿ Oct 6, 2015 18:53

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Everyone post your favorite promised Star Citizen features (aside from it existing):

electronic warfare minigames

imma be over here playing bookworm adventures against an enemy ship while everyone else aboard gets to, you know, shoot poo poo.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 16:12

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

BeerGod, give it a name!

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 17:10

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Aww man I guess Jared's getting fired.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 17:15

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

DS hasn't told me yet. Pre-DS prediction: Volper Bomber

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 17:18

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Incombibulator posted:

Isn't a community manager?

Prediction: "Medical Reasons". (B4tBG Translation: He ded)

he was, they changed his title to imply he was capable of being involved in the game design

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 17:24

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Dusty Lens posted:

First of all the following things will not be refundable:

Pledges/packages received from other users
Pledges/packages sent to other users
Pledges/packages purchased with store credit that came from gifted pledges
Subscription payments
Delivered physical items
the amount you are entitled to comes to $50.00 USD

i was expecting that re: gifted stuff, but the one ship i bought myself, melted, and moved towards another better get loving refunded.

regardless im gonna end up with that gifted M50 for good, so w/e

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 20:11

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

MOAR posted:

Right. I'm screwed so this game needs to work.

Help me Goonrathi you're my only hope.

lol

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 20:23

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Paladinus posted:

Where do I watch CitCon online?

they'll twitch stream it

or try to anyway, not a single stream they've done has worked right all the way through.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 20:36

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I would expect the same with CIG.

in other words, it's win-win

# ¿ Oct 7, 2015 20:39

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

PITT posted:

Bust a deal face the wheel.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 00:31

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

quote:

Members of the SAG-AFTRA union have overwhelmingly approved a measure authorizing an "interactive media" strike that could have wide-ranging impact on the availability of professional voice talent for video game projects. The union announced today that 96.52 percent of its members voted in favor of the strike. That's well above the 75 percent threshold that was necessary to authorize such a move and a result the union is calling "a resounding success."

huh. wonder if this is going to affect other members of SAG who might be getting involved with 'interactive media' lately.

By the way, did you know Gary Oldman is a member of SAG?

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/10/unionized-video-game-voice-actors-overwhelmingly-approve-strike-vote/

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 14:19

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

BluestreakBTHR posted:

http://www.mmorpg.com/mobile/features.cfm?read=10184&game=883&ismb=1

Mentioned the author on twitter. Among a handful of whiiteknights cropping up, he responded to say he's heard no more refunds happening.

Which means a lot of chargebacks are about to happen.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 16:20

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Agrajag posted:

lol if that is true shits hosed

he didn't offer any other evidence than that so let's not assume anything yet, but, yeah.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 16:28

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

ugh, the brown sea got tired of waiting and brought the poop to me on twitter.

and i was dumb enough to go touching it, and now they've "owned" me by pointing out that the original deliver date was based on the $2mil expectation and apparently somehow that means i'm totally wrong about the scope creep problems.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 17:14

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Pogue Ma Hoon posted:

link to your pooped up twitter please.

starts here. https://twitter.com/IridiumRE/status/652139474541895682

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 17:26

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

uhhhh

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 17:36

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Pogue Ma Hoon posted:

Wow, how are you not on your way to a hospital after all of those sick burns they laid on you?

Back in reality, these are some delusional idiots.

its like how am i supposed to argue when you're making my point and pretending it's somehow in your favor?

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 17:43

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

ban seraph, ban op, gas thread, salt the earth so another can't grow back

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 18:09

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

SneakyFrog posted:

in my day kids were all respectful to old people.

kids today i tell ya. with there STAR SHIPS and SEX BOTS.

and their FAKE INTERNET MONEY

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 18:10

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Troll Bridgington posted:

I'm cool with anything that pisses the pc master race off. Hail satan

With you Always.

Hail Satan. <3

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 18:21

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

CrazyLoon posted:

More like short for espresso, since CR loving loves it so much from his 20k coffee machine. Bet he imagines it to be OP as hell.

switched to it when he realized he was spending so drat much on cocaine

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 18:26

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

AvatarOfBolrog posted:

To my knowledge Seraph84 was a bike messenger from around 2008 - 2010. I'd say he's 5'6 - 5'7

reporting for doxxing

# ¿ Oct 8, 2015 19:17

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

quote:

Cloud Imperium Games (Cloud Imperium Games)
Oct 8, 16:31

Hi there,
Thank you for your request and sorry to get to this ticket late.
To confirm you would like a full refund and to have your account closed?
When you reply if you can cite any press articles or otherwise that prompted this request - that would be greatly appreciated for our records.
We look forward to hearing back.
Best,
CIG Customer Service Team

quote:

Hi

Yes, I would like to confirm my request for a refund.

Although I am aware of the articles to which you refer, they are not the primary factor of my decision, as they are not responsible for leaving Star Citizen in a feature-incomplete Alpha state nearly a year after its initial projected launch date. The incredible growth of scope (and still growing, going by the recent RSI newsletters offering more, new ships while at least two of which I backed early are going through resdesigns), coupled with the shockingly toxic community that's been built around the game, are far larger concerns than any such clickbait garbage.

The Community Management team has created a 'community' wherein any doubt about any part of the development of game is met by community members, mods, and sometimes even staff with shout downs and name calling, rather than meaningful discussion that could result in an actual constructive move forward. Any attempts to take doubts beyond an initial forums post frequently result in people being probated, which leads me to seriously worry about integrity and honesty. Sharing such doubts on Twitter is equally a call for harassment, as highlighted by noted Youtube presonality Scott Manly seeing such treatment after merely linking to the Chariman's post.

My PayPal details are in the original email.

Thank you for your time.

got this in before the Beer incident, nice of them to back me up like that.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 12:11

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Klyith posted:

spaceship JPEGs were successfully delivered to your in-game hangar or digital locker

checkmate

where's my caterpillar

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 13:51

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Orions Lord posted:

Show me the money

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 14:20

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Decrepus posted:

It must suck for Ben (in addition to be grossly fat, having trex arms, and in all manner being physically repulsive) to sign on to work closely with someone he reveres and then realize he is a talentless autist.

ben will not make that realization. it just wont occur. doing so would mean his life's work as a fanboy (literally this is all he's ever really done) would be empty.

he was born to fasten himself lamprey-like onto CR. he knows no other purpose.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 14:38

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Romes128 posted:

"Oh the game hasn't come out in 4 years? Let me spend a few hundred more dollars!"
-stupid motherfuckers backing sc

man look at all you haters

i for one truly look forward to playing Sunk Cost Fallacizen

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 15:17

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

Truga posted:

I wonder how many ships changed hands on reddit. Gifted ships aren't eligible for a refund, you see

yeah im waiting to see if the M50 i was gifted vanishes. If they close accounts for the refund then i'm sol.

but whatever i just want out of this clusterfuck

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 15:33

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 11:12

Iridium: Apr 4, 2002; Wretched Harp

With CitizenCon 2015 arriving, I decided to go back and look at last year's video so we can compare the two. While I was at it I grabbed caps of the slides of their powerpoint presentation. I figured this will all be relevant so we can look back at see all the amazing promises that have been kept.

So at CitizenCon 2014 they showed off:

Multicrew ship demo vid (previously seen)
Race module info (previously seen and IIRC in game at this point)
Assorted studio video updates
Gladius (now playable)
The AI test bed
the big SQ42 mining platform
Cutlass commercial and variants
Their 3d ship viewer for the site (happened but not to the level they showed off)
The 890 Jump
Constellation Commercial
The early development of the star map stuff
Character outfit concept art
A montage of QA's favorite bugs
The Constellation jump / atmospheric / landing demo
ArcCorp walkaround demo (now playable)

Santa Monica poo poo here

F42 poo poo

Arena Commander update promises, primarily tweaks

Web updates. I think the new front page happened.

Austin

Roadmap that is now laughably incorrect: ArcCorp walkaround ("planetside launch") only so far

A reminder that they've made $34mil since then

As far as I can tell, the only items shown off and/or promised that have gone on to be released to the client are the Gladius and the ArcCorp walkaround stuff, as well as Arena Commander tweaks.

Oh and the new web page.

Iridium fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Oct 10, 2015

# ¿ Oct 10, 2015 08:09

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