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Going by dissidia Anchors and explosions.
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Mraagvpeine posted:If Tidus is the water Aeon, then what is Jecht? Unless I blatantly missed something, I haven't yet noticed a Titan or equivalent in FFX. He's beefy enough and earth contrasts nicely with Tidus' water. v  vE: To clarify this is speculation from a largely unspoiled position. AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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Mraagvpeine posted:If Tidus is the water Aeon, then what is Jecht? Sin is the Gravity Aeon, technically.
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AlphaKretin posted:Unless I blatantly missed something, I haven't yet noticed a Titan or equivalent in FFX. He's beefy enough and earth contrasts nicely with Tidus' water. v There are only four elements in this game: fire, ice, water, and lightning. So there's no earth element for there to be a Titan. (Well, ignoring the "secret" fifth element that I don't think we have access to quite yet. It's Holy damage, which for some reason exists but isn't displayed. This really isn't much of a spoiler and is the type of thing you'd only ever know by reading the strategy guide.)
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AlphaKretin posted:Unless I blatantly missed something, I haven't yet noticed a Titan or equivalent in FFX. He's beefy enough and earth contrasts nicely with Tidus' water. v Iretep posted:I think Jecht is attributed to fire somewhere in the lore. Also he has some fire imagery in his character art. In Dissidia he has themes of fire, darkness, and one instance of earth (whereupon he hurls a fuckoff big meteor).
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Xenoveritas posted:There are only four elements in this game: fire, ice, water, and lightning. So there's no earth element for there to be a Titan. (Well, ignoring the "secret" fifth element that I don't think we have access to quite yet. It's Holy damage, which for some reason exists but isn't displayed. This really isn't much of a spoiler and is the type of thing you'd only ever know by reading the strategy guide.) Fairly sure Gravity is also an element, given that I think monsters can resist or be immune to it.
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MarquiseMindfang posted:Fairly sure Gravity is also an element, given that I think monsters can resist or be immune to it. It's not officially recognized as an element til the sequel. It's just considered non-elemental damage (which is why it can be halved by Shell), with the damage calculation being different and being considered more of a status effect than an element so enemies can have immunity coded in (I'm not sure if there are any enemies resistant rather than straight up immune to it).
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MarquiseMindfang posted:Fairly sure Gravity is also an element, given that I think monsters can resist or be immune to it. By that logic, "physical" is also an element, as one of the arena superbosses is flat-out immune to it. And all other elements. And I'm pretty sure has 255 magic defense and auto-shell. In short, gently caress all of this game's optional content.
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Edward_Tohr posted:By that logic, "physical" is also an element, as one of the arena superbosses is flat-out immune to it. If you're talking about Jumbo Flan, then it's not Auto-Shell, but Auto-REFLECT. gently caress Jumbo Flan, that bastard takes forever to kill even with max stats.
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Bufuman posted:If you're talking about Jumbo Flan, then it's not Auto-Shell, but Auto-REFLECT.  So...the only way you can damage it is Ultima and P2W? gently caress that
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Nah, there's another way to defeat it that's not really hard but is time consuming, but that involves stuff we haven't seen yet so I'm not going to bother posting it.ApplesandOranges posted:It's not officially recognized as an element til the sequel. It's just considered non-elemental damage (which is why it can be halved by Shell), with the damage calculation being different and being considered more of a status effect than an element so enemies can have immunity coded in (I'm not sure if there are any enemies resistant rather than straight up immune to it). Yep, as far as I know, it's a complete binary: either an enemy can be hit by it, or they're immune to it. I'm not aware of any "partial" resists.
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Death Zebra posted:What about holy? Or bouncing spells off of one of your party? Yeah, the general recommendation is to cast Reflect on someone and then Dualcast Flares off of them. Once your Magic stat is high enough, anyway. Problem is Jumbo Flan itself is the one that drops Magic Spheres. So you have to rely on another method to kill him at first, which is the one I believe Xenoveritas is hinting at, so I'll stop there.
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Edward_Tohr posted:By that logic, "physical" is also an element, as one of the arena superbosses is flat-out immune to it. Jecht is the Physical Aeon, seems legit.
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Episode XCII: Forget My Existence.jpg) Well... That happened. Let's not discuss the implications of Tidus being some manner of blitzball player shaped aeon and just move on with our lives. At least until we reach Zanarkand. .jpg) We never return to this spooky area of Mt. Gagazet cemented in walls of .jpg) We just had a climactic battle with Seymour. We also had a big plot dump of... questionable significance at this juncture. Surely Zanarkand is right around the corner?  Music: Silence Before the Storm .jpg) Yeah... about that. There's actually another forty-five minute dungeon that is such busy work filler that I straight up forgot it existed until this replay. Wouldn't want things to be decently paced, now would we? Seymour loves his battles to be preceded or followed by a half hour block of the good ol' Guado Fuckall, as they call it back home. .jpg) Welcome to... just some nondescript cave running through the middle of Mt. Gagazet. Let's go over the new baddies since yes, this place has new enemy lists. It's literally just as long to transverse as the Gagazet climb. Robots are still occasionally hanging out. As are that mob of a bot, a dog, and a dragon that seem to have a remarkably high Ambush rate and have nearly wiped me twice this climb. The purple flammable mountain cousin of the Wendigo/Ogre are still in play as well. .jpg) Joining them are Mandragora, the final model of the the Ochu mid-boss made common enemy. This one can use Quake, I guess... That's neat. Not particularly wise when dwelling in a cavern. But hey, at least Mandragora went out and saw the world unlike his bum brother Lord Ochu. .jpg) New to the monster mash is the Behemoth, a Final Fantasy enemy that has been hanging around since Final Fantasy II and has appeared in nearly every Final Fantasy since then. Even bleh... Dirge of Cerberus. Behemoth has a rather healthy 23,000 HP. The big purple bruiser hits like a truck for a round 1500-2000 damage. It can also use Thundra – another spell that seems ill-advised utilized in a cave. But what do I know? .jpg) .jpg) Behemoth's main worry is Heave, an attack which has the beast utilize its horns to flip an unsuspecting party member flinging into the air and dropping to earth for a good 3,000+ HP of damage. Nevermind we're in a cave with a ceiling of about 20 feet at max. Unsuspected bounce pad launches can lead to all kinds of nasty injuries. Beyond that, Behemoth doesn't have much in the way of defenses. Magic ruins him. Physicals do the trick. Not too bad of an enemy. .jpg) Lastly, we have this... thing. The Dark Flan. The developers have finally run out of standard element colors and said “gently caress it, let's just increase the model size!” Dark Flan comes with 12,800 HP, resistance to all elements and physical attacks until Auron gets off his butt and breaks them. .jpg) .jpg) Beyond that, Dark Flan has access to all the nasty sort of non-elemental (as far as Final Fantasy X is concerned) attacks like Flare, Demi, and Bio. Most annoyingly, the swimming pool sized bucket of jelly has Osmose. Which is just a big fat “gently caress you” attack that drains the entirety of someone's MP pool. Rude. On the plus side, Dark Flan forgot to give itself immunity to Silence. So using an item or weapon that inflicts that will make it completely unable to attack. Slick, Big Bro Flan. Slick. .jpg) That's a wrap on new enemy mobs. Now about this dungeon. The path through this one is a bit less straightforward than the last few enemy filled grinds. .jpg) Past the first save point is a bottomless pit. Someone scribbled a note just stating “Try jumping”. Tidus is a blitzball player, not a hoopsman. This just won't do. We'd best find another way past this obstacle. .jpg) .jpg) Heading down the only available path to the left leads us to a body of water at the cavern's bottom where... .jpg)  "Looks like we got a job to do, ya?" ”You guys seriously need to learn how to swim.” *glare* “Don't give me that look, Kimahri. I saw the blitzball teams back in Luca and there's an entire team of Ronso. The cats hating water excuse ain't flying, bud.” “...Kimahri in mourning for non-blitzballing Ronso.” “...”.jpg)  "If anything should happen in the water, we're relying on you three. If it gets dangerous, pull out quick." *snicker* “What?” “Heh... Nothing.” "Right!" "Be careful, okay?" *nods*.jpg) .jpg) So show of hands, who was expecting the underwater battle mechanic to rear its underdeveloped head one final time before we reached the end game? Oh well... Here were are. The game isn't even making any excuses as to why only Wakka, Rikku, and Tidus are on water duty. Look, they only made battle animations for those three. Deal with it.  .jpg) And what would be an underwater segment without its own set of random battle mobs. .jpg) .jpg) Spoilers: It's the exact same mobs as Via Purifico, as they never bothered to make additional aquatic enemies. The overgrown calamari has been replaced by a re-skinned, poisonous version of the piranha from way back in Besaid Island. At least you all just get a brief summary of underwater dregs. I get 20 random battles fighting the above enemies during the course of this dungeon. Good times. .jpg) .jpg) Thankfully, during the Wakka/Rikku/Tidus segments of this dungeon they disabled random battles on dry land. So no risk of having to take on a Dark Flan or Behemoth with this less than optimal team. So why are we on land, you ask? .jpg) Why for a mini-game of course! What else did you think? The powers that be of Mt. Gagazet demand Wakka use his blitzball to accurately hit a target in the middle of a rotating series of... something. Fantasy curtains? You got me. .jpg) .jpg) There are two rotating thingamabobs surrounding a stationary circle. The player needs to hit X at the correct time to pass the barriers and hit the glowing gem in the center. There is no penalty for failing and you've got infinite tries. .jpg) There's like a second and a half delay between hitting X and Wakka's ball reaching the target. So that's fun. Sure would be a shame to come this far and only to be turned back because none of the summoner's parties had a decent throwing arm. Feels like something Yevon ought to have mentioned as being part of the pilgrimage. .jpg) Welp. The gem target changed color and there was a jingle to go along with it. So... something happened. Maybe. A box appeared with a Lv. 1 Keysphere. Hopefully more occurred than that... .jpg) .jpg) Nothing left here but to take another swim, fight five or six battles along the way, and return to the party. No words of encouragement or relief at a safe return from the rest of the party. The game just automatically flags the non-swimmers as part of the party once more as soon as Tidus touches land. Good stuff, guys. .jpg) So having Wakka fling a blitzball at a target has transmogrified the pit by the save point into a staircase. Sure, Gagazet. Why not? .jpg) .jpg) Further into the cavern, we soon come to a place where the map says there should be a path heading northwest. But no such path exists. What is present is yet another body of water to wade through (I skipped past one with a couple of forgettable items on the way here.) .jpg) .jpg) This time around there is no dry land on the far end of the flooded passage. But that doesn't mean there isn't a second trial of Gagazet... .jpg) Mt. Gagazet's second trial demands... you have brought three people who can swim. Wait... so Auron would have had to have done this during Braska's pilgrimage. And for that matter, Braska could swim with a get-up nearly as ridiculously impractical as Lulu's. Those two have just been loving lazy non-swimmers this entire time!  .jpg) So this isn't a mini-game. Or even a puzzle beyond the most basic definition in being multiple choices with a fail state (with no consequences.) There are three panels. One character must select and swim to each panel. The panels are red, green, and blue. We've got to match the character with the same color as their Sphere Grid color designations. .jpg) So Rikku, you're green like your hotpants. Float your underaged rear end on over there. .jpg) Tidus, you're blue like... Uhh... I guess your eyes are blue. Good enough. .jpg) The third one, Wakka, will automatically be selected. I guess red corresponds with his goofy hair cut. Though it's more carroty orange than straight red. Close enough... .jpg) .jpg) And once more... something happened! Really communicating progress well here, Final Fantasy X. .jpg) Swimming back to land reveals a rock formation has materialized back earlier in the map. Thank goodness for mini-maps becoming a norm around this point in video games. .jpg) .jpg) And that's a wrap for this awful little dungeon. That might have seemed quick. It lasted me about forty minutes while fighting every random battle that came my way. Zanarkand better be exceptionally rad to make up for this slog. .jpg)  "They'll be upon us soon. She has sent fiends to test our summoner's strength." "Who is 'she'?" "Yunalesca." "Lady Yunalesca?" "In Zanarkand, she awaits the arrival of the strongest.".jpg) "She... is still alive?" "As much as Mika and Seymour." "I see." ”We... aren't going to have to fight her too. Perhaps multiple times... Right?” “...” “...About as much of an answer as I was expecting.” "Lost your nerve?" "No. Nothing frightens me now." "Braska would be proud.".jpg) .jpg) You heard her. Let's mosey team synchronized fist pumps. The party exits Mt. Gagazet caverns... .jpg) *snicker* “Keep it in your pants, Auron.” "Focus!".jpg) Music: Enemy Attack .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Welcome to the final challenge of Mt. Gagazet: The Sanctuary Keeper aka a goddamn dragon. Compared to Seymour Flux and a boss that .jpg) .jpg) Our first order of business should be to have Tidus haste everyone as usual. Then have Yuna cast Reflect on the Sanctuary Keeper. There's a very good reason for doing that. .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Sanctuary Keeper loves to cast protective spells like Shell and Protect on itself regularly. With Reflect cast, it'll buff our party for us. That's sweet. Most importantly, Sanctuary Keeper has Curaga which will restore 9,999 HP to itself if Reflect isn't cast. I dunno about you folks, but nothing annoys me more than a boss that heals itself for four digits of health at will. Gotta nip that business in the bud. .jpg) Offensive wise, this guardian dragon can swipe at our party for ~1000 HP of damage. But it has bum accuracy, so that isn't much of a threat. .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Far more troublesome is its main attack, Photon Wings. This laser light show hits the entire party for 1,000+ damage. But more pressingly it will randomly inflict Darkness, Poison, Confuse, Sleep or Curse (disables Overdrives.) Curse is near guaranteed to hit unless for whatever reason an armor is equipped to prevent it. The rest are random. Tidus managed to become a confused cursed sleepy blinded man twice during the battle for me. Sounds like just a standard rough night of drinking to me but eh. .jpg) .jpg) Mana Breath is another of the Sanctuary Guardian's unique attacks. It's just a dragon laser beam that hits a single character for 2000-3000 damage. Weak sauce. Mikhail could ruin this second rate dragon with ease. .jpg) .jpg) Lastly... the dragon has just run dry on ideas and will swipe the entire party for a few hundred damage. Anyone successfully hit gets their turn knocked back once on the line-up. You'd think a rain of laser beams raining from the heavens would delay a counter-attack longer than getting rammed by a tail. But here we are... .jpg) .jpg) Finally, unlike Seymour Flux, Sanctuary Keeper can wise up to the party reflecting its heals away from itself. It doesn't have a Dispel spell to counter our sabotage. But when low on HP will begin tossing Reflects on our party. If that party member is still Reflected by its next turn, it'll bounce a Curaga off itself for a 9,999 heal. But it is clever enough to know that party member has dispelled reflect or left the field. So no casting a full cure on a party member intentionally like a dingus. .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Anyway, it's just mostly a matter of having Auron or Tidus/Wakka slamming the poo poo out of the mountaintop dragon while Yuna manages status effects and this boss will be toast in no time. You may now file this boss in the pile of utterly forgettable bosses. Music ends... .jpg) .jpg)  "Hey! Can't we rest a little?" "No need. We reach the summit soon." "I know, that's why I want to stop for a bit.” ”Also there was the part where we just fought a dragon and I didn't see you doing a lot of work swimming through those flooded caves, mister. Besides...”.jpg) “Soon means that... there's not much time left." "Rikku..." *stands up and walks off* "Fiiiiine! I'll think on the way.".jpg) .jpg) C'mon Rikku. You can't get snippy with the person that is going off to die about how you cannot think of a way to prevent their death. That's just being a jerk. Music: Wandering Flame .jpg) "We are almost there, aren't we?" *shrugs and shakes head* "We've come a long way." ”This like a whole area further than I ever got.” “Heh.”.jpg) "You remind me of myself. Before, the closer I came to Zanarkand, the more I wondered... when we arrive, Braska will call the Final Aeon... He will fight Sin, then die. I thought my mind was made up long before. But when I stood here, my resolve wavered." ”Did you guys have to fight a dragon?” “It has been some time. I honestly cannot remember.” “How do you forget about fighting a dragon?!” “Do you recall battling the Defender-X?” “The what now...?” “No? Perhaps Spherimorph rings a bell?” “Who?!” “What of the Moogle Eater?” “I think I remember that one. On the road with the thing...” “...I rest my case.” "Huh, never would've figured. Legendary guardians choke sometimes, too, ya?".jpg) “A boy about your age, actually. I wanted to change the world, too. But I changed nothing.” “...” “That is my story.".jpg) .jpg) .jpg) And with that, Auron dramatically walks off in slow motion to leave Tidus pondering his words. Tune in next time for the final update before we catch up with present day! We're almost done listening to Tidus' eternal goddamn story!     Video: Episode 92 Highlight Reel   Behemoth Concept Art  Sanctuary Keeper Concept Art The Dark Id fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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Man, gently caress the stupid-high encounter rate in the Gagazet tunnels. Couldn't go three steps without getting into a fight against some five-digit HP bastard bitch. Argh. I hope everyone is ready for a plot mountain that's almost as big as Gagazet itself. poo poo's about to be DUMPED.
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Spiritus Nox posted:For what it's worth, I really like that last moment with Auron. Yeah, that's a good bit, for reals.
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I completely forgot about Gagazet caverns! I vaguely remember the swimming bits and the sanctuary guardian but everything else is a blur. It's uh... not hard to see why really.
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The only reason I remember this cave is because of Behemoth and Dark Flan having Ronso Rages attached (Mighty Guard and White Wind respectively.) And yeah, Auron's last line there is really  .NikkolasKing posted:I love the jokes about Auron giving no fucks but it's more honest to say he's just a sad, broken old man. He's one of the characters I find it easiest to empathize with in this game. Thinking back on it, Auron laughing at Tidus saying how everything is his fault becomes a lot harsher.
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Spiritus Nox posted:For what it's worth, I really like that last moment with Auron.
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Auron is the rare kind of character that manages to seem cool while admitting that he never accomplished anything.
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The Dark Id posted:
I can't tell if this is a mistake or Auron just really can't be bothered to remember all these dumb monsters.  Geostomp posted:Auron is the rare kind of character that manages to seem cool while admitting that he never accomplished anything. I feel like the best thing about Auron is how he has this aloof air the whole game like nothing fazes him and you're probably thinking "Man, this Auron guy is as badass as everyone says." Even the characters think so. Turns out he's just wrestling with self-loathing the whole time. It's a pretty good subversion.
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Great update. Auron's VA really sells this scene. (You called the Dark Flan a Dark Flare and the Chocobo Eater the Moogle Eater)
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I can't tell if this is a mistake or Auron just really can't be bothered to remember all these dumb monsters. I think the point was more "I'm going to intentionally give you a wrong name to test you."
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AdmiralViscen posted:Great update. Auron's VA really sells this scene. Fixed. Moogle Eater is intentional, sheesh.
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Onmi posted:I think the point was more "I'm going to intentionally give you a wrong name to test you." Yeah, especially since that's the one the others claim to remember a little.
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"I've never seen a Moogle Eater." "Well, they died out after they ran out of Moogles to eat."
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The Dark Id posted:We've got to match the character with the same color as their Sphere Grid color designations. Huh. Never thought about the answer that way. I always just went by the size of the buttons. Riku's seemed slightly smaller than Tidus's, and Wakka's bigger than both of them so he got the Red one.
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FeyerbrandX posted:Huh. Never thought about the answer that way. I always just went by the size of the buttons. Riku's seemed slightly smaller than Tidus's, and Wakka's bigger than both of them so he got the Red one. My first time through, my train of thought was, "Tidus is the main character, thus blue. Rikku is an Al Bhed and has green eyes, so green. And there's no other choice for Wakka." It wasn't until after I'd already done it, that I realized it corresponded to their Sphere Grid colors. Mostly because I decided to level their sphere grids a bit after the section for no other reason than I hadn't done it for a while.
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Auron is the grizzled old age of thirty-five, but poo poo that kind of hard living and alcohol intake will do it to you. Wakka is only in his mid-twenties. For all the things this game gets goofy with, it doesn't go with the cliche JRPG convention of Tidus, Rikku, and Yuna being anything more than stupid teenagers, and the rest of the adult cast minus Auron is still treated as people, not uber badasses.
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One of Auron's best scenes is coming up since he is, after all, returning to the place where he lost his best friends.The story is coming to a head.
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Shitenshi posted:Auron is the grizzled old age of thirty-five, but poo poo that kind of hard living and alcohol intake will do it to you. Wakka is only in his mid-twenties. For all the things this game gets goofy with, it doesn't go with the cliche JRPG convention of Tidus, Rikku, and Yuna being anything more than stupid teenagers, and the rest of the adult cast minus Auron is still treated as people, not uber badasses. Wearing a corset that tight on a dress that heavy with belts makes three years feel like thirty.
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